If we are going to sign a mid fielder ,I am not sure if he is the one.
Miguel Veloso
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Nice from Queiroz there.
Indeed, not completely shutting the oppurtunity down but also voicing how we're jam packed in the position as it is.
FFS, if the club wants a LB as cover to Evra they should have bought Bale last summer.
Don't know much about this Veloso character but seeing as he's a central midfielder I don't see where he is needed.
Don't know much about this Veloso character but seeing as he's a central midfielder I don't see where he is needed.
If we're considering another central midfielder, Modric looks twice the player Veloso is imo.
Agreed. At the moment we have too many midfielders wanting to occupy deep positions. Even Scholes does! If we are to look at a midfielder, I'd prefer someone who plays closer to the strikers.
Come to think of it, Bosingwa would be a good addition to our squad. Very good at attacking and from what I've seen can defend as well for a right back.
As for Veloso, he is actually a good footballer with potential to be great. He can cover a few positions but it's not like he's a utility player, he actually has real talent. I think he'd be a great addition. If Hargreaves gets injured and where in the CL to a tough away team, who do we turn to?
As for Veloso, he is actually a good footballer with potential to be great. He can cover a few positions but it's not like he's a utility player, he actually has real talent. I think he'd be a great addition. If Hargreaves gets injured and where in the CL to a tough away team, who do we turn to?
Come to think of it, Bosingwa would be a good addition to our squad. Very good at attacking and from what I've seen can defend as well for a right back.
As for Veloso, he is actually a good footballer with potential to be great. He can cover a few positions but it's not like he's a utility player, he actually has real talent. I think he'd be a great addition. If Hargreaves gets injured and where in the CL to a tough away team, who do we turn to?[/QUOTE]
Carrick, Fletcher, O'Shea, Anderson. Shame on you... I wouldn't put Hargreaves over Carrick in the first place though.
Fletcher isn't good enough to contain the likes of Kaka, Carrick wasn't, O'Shea? Anderson I'd prefer to be an attacking midfielder.
As for out and out DMs, we only have Hargreaves.
As for out and out DMs, we only have Hargreaves.
I'm gonna call him 'big mig' when I do my ratings. Can't wait.
Edwin Hooijteren Van der Sar - 7
Patrice Evra - 8
Nemanja Baljic Vidic - 7
Rio Gavin Ferdinand - 8
Gary Neville - 7
Ryan Joseph Giggs (born Wilson) - 6 past it
Owen Zachary Franz Hargreaves - 7
Big Mig - 7
Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiros Noches - 9
Wayne Mark Rooney - 8
Carlos Alberto Scarfacinho Tevez - 7 really tried
How cool will that be?
Edwin Hooijteren Van der Sar - 7
Patrice Evra - 8
Nemanja Baljic Vidic - 7
Rio Gavin Ferdinand - 8
Gary Neville - 7
Ryan Joseph Giggs (born Wilson) - 6 past it
Owen Zachary Franz Hargreaves - 7
Big Mig - 7
Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiros Noches - 9
Wayne Mark Rooney - 8
Carlos Alberto Scarfacinho Tevez - 7 really tried
How cool will that be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efYl5CaNhQ
Not really....Ronnie could help him with his free kicks, actually....
See my point?
None of the midfielders we have can play left back and center back equally as well as their normal midfield role. And this fella can do that. He is a serious upgrade of O'shea.
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Big Mig? wtf, We havent signed him yet
Good on Carlos telling us how it is
Can someone please explain to me why we need a centre midfielder when we have Scholes, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves, Fletcher and Gibson ?
Our priority should be a striker, and then a right back (although I highly doubt we'll sign anyone in January)
Our priority should be a striker, and then a right back (although I highly doubt we'll sign anyone in January)
I think Modric would be good to sign just to keep him away from Arsenal or Chelsea
AM Scholes/Anderson/Carrick
DM Hargreaves/Carrick/Fletcher
Veloso would be an unnecessary luxury
If needed we still have O'shea
Very perceptive, mate.
A month ago and no one had ever mentioned Modric and now after apparently looking half decent against a shiter than usual England team he's now flavour of the month - ah the trend that is the transfer forum
Agree about the striker but why a right back? Neville, Brown and Simpson are all more than good enough
You don't understand do you? Last season we failed to get further than the semi finals in the Champions League because of a lack of a true defensive midfielder who could do the job.
You list Hargreaves/Carrick/Fletcher as defensive midfielder. 1) Hargreaves is a defensive midfielder but seems to have a knack of picking injuries. Now I'm not saying he is always going to be with injuries but considering this type of player was the piece of the puzzle we were missing, wouldn't we be fecked in the CL latter stages without him? That's why there's a need for Veloso who has energy, is young, talented and can play that role extremely well, also being able to cover other positions.
You can say we have O'Shea but wake up, he's not actually good despite having some great moments with us. He is a liability whenever he plays. It's OK to have a utility player but I'd rather someone who was good and actually has the quality to be a proper United player.
Fletcher isn't good enough to contain top attacking talent in Europe, simple as. He may have his one or two good games but he's a nobody compared to a Kaka or Fabregas.
Carrick albeit a good player and deep lying play maker, he isn't good enough to be a defensive midfielder when facing Europe's finest. Carrick would not be able to mark someone like Kaka out of the game. However, someone like Mascherano did exactly that in the CL final until being substituted. We have our player in Hargreaves but again, we're fecked in the latter stages of the CL without him.
Do you understand? It's not the issue of "oh we have too many central midfielders" it's not the same at all.
Agree about the striker but why a right back? Neville, Brown and Simpson are all more than good enough
Neville: Has what, this season and possibly next left at the top and evn that is in doubt considering his injury problems.
Brown: I like him a lot, but as a utility man. Someone who can fill in when needed, either at CB or RB, but I don't see him as a long term replacement for Neville.
Simpson: Great prospect, but not yet good enough to claim a first team spot. And considering our recent form with youth players, I'm very scepticle about the chances of our youth players making the grade any more.
Attacking Flair probably doesn't like Fletcher because he doesn't play with... "Attacking Flair". Blimey, did you watch any of the Champions League fixtures last year. He totally proved that he can play with the biggest clubs in Europe. Veloso is out of the question. We are not a "Pack-it-in" defensive club, and we have played successfully with utilizing only one (at sometimes none) defensive midfielder... We saw how our defensive minded midfield parring worked this weekend... Veloso wouldn't get games, and it would hinder his development. Pointless to question him for the team after recent signings.
The reason we bough Hargreaves was to play the DM role in CL matches, now, after a few poor performances, they want a new one. Come on, we just spend £18 million on a DM, we're not going to now go and buy another one.
Poor judgement considering I actually want us to buy a defensive midfielder so my username has nothing to do with this. Don't try to lower my argument because of my name.
There's a reason why Fletcher isn't first choice and that's because he isn't good enough. He's not as good as Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves. He's a decent squad player who would do better at another club.
Now I'm not saying Veloso would always get a game but if Hargreaves is injured, Veloso is a far better option to have on your team than Fletcher in a tough CL game.
Obviously we aren't that kind of a defensive club but for a team to have overall better balance we will need the likes of Veloso who are better than your Fletcher's O'Shea's etc.
The likes of Real Madrid would take Veloso over O'Shea/Fletcher simply because Veloso is better and I'm sure other clubs would too. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe we shouldn't sign a better player than Fletcher because we have Fletcher in our squad. Makes complete sense, right?
Maybe you have been anonymous to the fact that Owen is a bit injury prone, you know? I mean there's a reason why people want a fourth striker with Saha in the team.
But we're going to have to live with that, we new that's what we'd get when we signed him.
I'll say this, Carlos is right, he's not and shouldn't be #1 priority (a striker should be) but I still think we should go for him and I'll stand by that.
Fair enough, but how much would you realistically be prepared to spend on him ?
£10m idealistically. £15m max but he has age on his side and a lot of potential, deal could be similar to Nani/Anderson. Then if we really need the money, sell off Fletcher to the SPL or another EPL club. Either way, we get a better player with better potential.
We don't need the best players, we need the right ones. Fletch has proved his worth and he knows his place in the squad... Real Madrid have proved the best at buying players over the past 5-7 years without seeing much of a return. So let him feck off Real Madrid, where the ego's are thicker then the humidity, and he can rot in a rotation behind Diarra, Gago, and Guti as DM's.
Yeah because Guti is a DM isn't he? Last time I checked he was a creative player.
I also think Veloso would be a "right" player for us.
By right, you mean he wouldn't disrupt the dressing room by further increasing the portuguese speaking? By right do you mean that he would be fine sitting the bench (if he made the bench) without hurting the morale? By right do you mean that it would be in his best interests to come to a club where he wouldn't get regular time?
Are you kidding me? You're telling me he's a problem because he speaks Portugese or whatever language? Why don't you tell Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Tevez to feck off?
From his interviews it seems he would love to be at United with his hero Ronaldo and fellow friend Nani. I don't think he would disrupt morale. He'd get his chance to prove himself and considering he has talent he will and he will get more chances because he's versatile as well as good.
It's been said in many reports that factions of similar speaking languages create rifts in teams... I'm not saying anything is wrong with our current situation... But you think Ronaldo, Nani, & Anderson speak English when they are at Ronaldo's home (which Nani & Anderson currently live at)?? Absolutely not, which is creating them to create little cliques which is not what we need. I don't know how many languages you can speak, but my parents moved me around as a kid and I speak perfect English, Arabic, French, and Spanish, and slightly capable with Portuguese and Danish. It's not easy to learn a language especially in your 20's after speaking the same one for so long.
Do Nani and Anderson still live at Ronaldo's mansion or have they got their own pad yet. Anyone know ?
Please not another DM
There is a lot of ifs, buts and maybes here.....
SAF might be looking at Fletch and thinking of selling him in the summer, the chances are OShea will go back to covering the back 4, does he want to ease Andersen in slower, Scholes wont be back till January and along with Giggs playing less and less, how often does SAF plan to play 3 in midifeld..........
Im not saying we will get him, but when it comes to transfers SAF sure as hell works in mysterious ways..... I hold my hands up and admit, I couldnt imagine SAF would go for Tevez - didnt make any sense..... but here we are!!
SAF might be looking at Fletch and thinking of selling him in the summer, the chances are OShea will go back to covering the back 4, does he want to ease Andersen in slower, Scholes wont be back till January and along with Giggs playing less and less, how often does SAF plan to play 3 in midifeld..........
Im not saying we will get him, but when it comes to transfers SAF sure as hell works in mysterious ways..... I hold my hands up and admit, I couldnt imagine SAF would go for Tevez - didnt make any sense..... but here we are!!
No we failed to advance "further" than the semis of CL because the team was worn out after coming back against Everton on the weekend, then having to travel to Milan (who were all rested at their weekend game), plus our Defense was in tatters and just recovering (Vidic first game back and he was definitly off the pace), and we had no squad depth while competing on three fronts. Certainly a quality DM would help but please do not over simplify it either. Fair?
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