Technically he was. Fellaini was also technically offside. But it's so close that the assistant refs can't be blamed.
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He was.
How the feck was mata offside?
Chris Foy said that Fellaini wasn't offside...
Morgan trying to block the cross and the ball going to Fellaini as a result played him onside..
Morgan trying to block the cross and the ball going to Fellaini as a result played him onside..
never ever like this ref. feck oliver!
Maybe technically, but the law is messed up if that isn't offside.
Did Morgan gets a touch though? Also wasnt Fellaini offside when the ball was hit?
Poor Michael. He's a miserable looking fecker. He has an eye like a worried cow.
By being in an offside position.
Surprised that he gave us the penalty and didn't rule out Fellaini's goal, really.
Awful game by him. For me he got most things wrong and after the first half I was starting think he was crocked but he then got the handball decision wrong for the penalty. So probably just a crap referee.
probably making up for his ridiculus performance in the FA Cup.
he is just a poor ref.
Yes he is, but usually he is consistently poor, today he was just poor!
A 5/10 performance from him today. He thinks he's a better ref than he is. I always dread the games whenever he's in charge.
The rule is simple, if the player touches the ball doing something that isn't accidental his touch counts.. Thats why Fellaini was on.. Chris Foy said so.. And left Savage of his rockers..
Yeah the ball went of his knee. So even if Fellaini was off when the pass came his touch played Fellaini on..
Wtf is this? Do you know him?
Yeah I heard what he said and understand it, but it is still mental. Felliani was in an offside position when Lingard played the ball, and just because the defender made an attempt to block the pass the 'new phase' shouldn't mean he is no longer able to be offside.
I remember this happening years back and it's still a farce.
I will take faulty VAR over this cnut any day, discussion among people in pubs and other things can piss off
Thought he had a decent game. Biggest mistake was not spotting or not acting upon the keeper coming off his line for the penalty.
Not sure why offside is being brought into a thread about Michael Oliver?
Not sure why offside is being brought into a thread about Michael Oliver?
Did anyone else see Chris Foy on BT Sport saying Fellaini wasn't offside because Wes Morgan was intentionally playing the ball? Absolutely bizarre. Had Savaged baffled. His explanation was that he was intentionally playing the ball as he was trying to block the shot.
So now is it always onside even if it slightly deflects off a players boot? Surely can't be the case.
I think Foy genuinely didn't know the rules but then he's a professional ref so surely not. Baffling to say the least though. Saying Wes Morgan intentionally playing the ball to Fellaini as though it was a dodgy back-pass or something..
So now is it always onside even if it slightly deflects off a players boot? Surely can't be the case.
I think Foy genuinely didn't know the rules but then he's a professional ref so surely not. Baffling to say the least though. Saying Wes Morgan intentionally playing the ball to Fellaini as though it was a dodgy back-pass or something..
It is. It's not in the 'spirit of football', but it is currently the law- as stupid as it is.
Is it a new law? Has to be as that goes against everything I've ever known about football. The amount of slightly deflected through balls to offside players we will have seen...should they have been counted as onside all along?
Nope- been around for ages. If the defender intentionally plays the ball (even if it is not a 'controlled attempt') it is classed as a new phase of play.
I linked this example of how stupid the implication is in my earlier post;
Legit goal
Simpsons handball looked no way deliberate to me, yet Fuchs leaning his whole body sideways to block it with his arm 20 seconds earlier was a clear penalty. Odd decisions.
The incident in the first half where Pogba knocked the ball beyond Fuchs, Fuchs poked the ball out over the byline with his toe and then barged Pogba over - Goal kick
It just couldn't be a goal kick. It had to be a corner or a foul. Mental.
As for Fellaini onside/offside, wasn't he offside as Lingard plays the ball, before the deflection? Surely that phase of play would negate whether or not Morgan then makes contact?
The incident in the first half where Pogba knocked the ball beyond Fuchs, Fuchs poked the ball out over the byline with his toe and then barged Pogba over - Goal kick
It just couldn't be a goal kick. It had to be a corner or a foul. Mental.As for Fellaini onside/offside, wasn't he offside as Lingard plays the ball, before the deflection? Surely that phase of play would negate whether or not Morgan then makes contact?
Errrm... wouldn't that mean that a goalkeeper saving the ball should be the same? So no rebound goal could ever be offside? I'm confused.
Apparently not... I would think not, Foy must know the rules.. One would think..
It must be something to do with how it is actually worded... but an attempted block of a shot or cross, and a attempted save, seem so very similar in their intention that one does wonder how they believe it can differ apart from a keeper's save not counting... but an attempted pass by the keeper that is intercepted by someone in an otherwise offside position is supposed to be ok...
Still confused.
It being accidental has nothing to do with it. By touching the ball you're affecting the play. Fellaini's goal was offside and Mata's wasn't.
Me too.. Really strange this...
Not according to Foy it's actually vise versa..
Mata's left foot was offside by the smallest margins and according to Foy Morgans interference trying to block the shot and deflecting the ball played Fellaini on..
I find it unforgivable that he let Schemiecal get 3 feet off the line on the PK w/o calling it for a re-take. Terrible.
Sounds like Foy is sticking up to his mates to me. The deflection (was there one even one?) does not create a new phase of play.
You're right to be confused because it's incorrect. A keeper saving the ball would be no different than a deflection but that's a moot point as neither creates a new phase of play and thus Fellaini was offside.
Awful ref. Manchester has been a happy place today, with pride and the win, but this t-t almost ruined my mood. 100 per cent against us. Only gave the most blatant calls in our favour. Martin Atkinson's heir apparent.
Yeah, so you're blind too? Clearly wasn't.
Doesn't matter anyway, lukaku always goes the same way. He's a pointless penalty taker when you have players like Mata android pogba on the pitch.
Neither have I. He should be vilified for his haircut alone
Foy is speaking utter nonsense, ex-ref or not. Laws of the game:
In fact, the rules have a scenario exactly like this:
Foy is speaking utter nonsense, ex-ref or not. Laws of the game:
In fact, the rules have a scenario exactly like this:
He kind of mentioned this:
His taking was that Morgans deflection was deliberate so it fits the rule..
Just saying I am just as baffled as anyone else..
If blocking a shot is an equally deliberate action to under-hitting a back pass or just passing it to an opponent, then the rules are fecking bonkers. I refuse to believe it.
See the other part of that quote - it specifically states that it is offside if it's a deflection. The rules see deflections and saves as the same thing in this regard. You're right to be baffled, Foy was talking out of his ass.
Indeed, and it's not correct. You can find loads of offsides given for that and I don't believe for one second that it's the reason Oliver didn't give the one last night. It wasn't given because it was incredibly tight, and if in doubt the ref (or assistant) has to let it go - the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacker, in this case.