Michael Oliver
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Definitely the sort who'd rat people out at school to make himself feel better.
Not defending that post but the defeats came because refs failed to make proper decision. City and Watford could have been 3 goals up but they weren't. In the end referee's decision had impact on the outcome of the game.
He looks like some young copper desperate to make an arrest.
Good example of a referee who's bad enough without his bias. Something has to be done in the EPL, it's getting ridiculous.
Could have? United could have scored more as well, ibra few clear cut chances, pogba hitting the post etc. "Could have" is just your excuse, but the matter of fact is that they didn't happen and because of a referee mistake United was chasing the game. If not united would have been 1-0 up and not be as opened after rasford goal. You can sit there and say but United cost more poor performance bla bla bla but that does not change the fact of what happened, and the referee mistake altered the course of the game.
Oliver is a horrible ref. His bias is so obvious.
Do you guys honestly feel that Michael Oliver secretly hates Manchester United and is working against the club?
I genuinely don't think he was that bad, but I understand and completely accept that a lot of Manchester United fans are unhappy with his performances.
To suggest that it's because he's biased against the club is kind of insane though. Why would he randomly hate Manchester United?
He is just so soft, he gets no respect at all from the players and it is obvious. The first goal was obviously a blatant foul but then the blonde lad is standing in front of Pogba time wasting and Pogs pushes him and Oliver stands there for 10 seconds while Deeny henches him up and barges him around before booking Pogba. The whole incident was an absolute joke.
It is more of a fan speculation. But Oliver does seem to pick sides in certain matches. I had seen his refereeing in few non-Utd matches. He seems to be turn a bit blind to fouls against one team.
Exactly.
To say he is a bad ref and makes mistakes, I guess most fans would say that about certain referee's.
But I think to say he is biased against United and hates them is a bit daft.
two blatant red cards there. can't believed those two thought they could role up into his manor and disrespect him like that.
I really try & understand what the referees are trying to do, which is normally get through the game without having an unfair influence on it & get through the game without losing control & keep 22 on the field if they can. Apply the rules. Probably in that order, rightly or wrongly. I also try to give them the benefit of the doubt, it's a terrifically difficult job & they get one look in real time. We can still be arguing after we have seen 10 replays from 3 different angles.
I thought the Martial thing was a definite FK, it looks like a FK, there's excessive force, it's kinda 2 Watford players vs 1, it's in the Utd defensive 1/3. It's a FK 99% of the time.
Now then though, the replay says that he gets a toe on the ball, cleans through Martial, and then gets another prod on the ball with his other foot bizarrely enough, to slip it away to his mate.
The wafer thin defence of knobhead Oliver that I see from today's replay is that from where he is, mid-distance (fair enough), this does look a bit like one touch on the ball & a simultaneous collision, collision is being a bit generous, it's still clear the Watford guy is wanting to get stuck in. Even after this, I still think it walks like a FK, and it quacks likes a FK, it probably is a FK. As I said somewhere else though, I'm betting Mr Oliver sees one touch on the ball, this offsets all normal decision making processes to the back of his tiny mind & I reckon he thinks I can make a TOP TOP decision here & look really good or get noticed, he's showboating basically. As opposed to being quiet, safe & sensible, not making it all about him. Just give the FK, game quietly carries on, maybe Watford player whinges he gets a touch on the ball. I reckon the other 10 Watford players wouldn't be amazed it's a FK.
Also he really, really hates us, obviously.
I say a similar duck thing for the penalty. It's soft, I think he dives. But it LOOKS like a penalty, it's Fellaini, it's a clumsy challenge as he turns back. You could perhaps argue it after the replays tell you his exaggerated fall looks stupid but in real time it's a fair enough decision.
Thing is, Oliver makes the poor kind of decisions all the time I see him. It's all too much like what do I fancy doing here, rather than an applied method. You see him approach an incident & I've normally no idea what he's going to do, I think he's that bad. it's all the time with him, you've no idea what's going on.
Clattenburg is more specatacularly shit maybe but he does have patches where he looks like a referee & not some 6th Form prefect who doesn't play football but is having a practice to see if he fancies the job.
I thought the Martial thing was a definite FK, it looks like a FK, there's excessive force, it's kinda 2 Watford players vs 1, it's in the Utd defensive 1/3. It's a FK 99% of the time.
Now then though, the replay says that he gets a toe on the ball, cleans through Martial, and then gets another prod on the ball with his other foot bizarrely enough, to slip it away to his mate.
The wafer thin defence of knobhead Oliver that I see from today's replay is that from where he is, mid-distance (fair enough), this does look a bit like one touch on the ball & a simultaneous collision, collision is being a bit generous, it's still clear the Watford guy is wanting to get stuck in. Even after this, I still think it walks like a FK, and it quacks likes a FK, it probably is a FK. As I said somewhere else though, I'm betting Mr Oliver sees one touch on the ball, this offsets all normal decision making processes to the back of his tiny mind & I reckon he thinks I can make a TOP TOP decision here & look really good or get noticed, he's showboating basically. As opposed to being quiet, safe & sensible, not making it all about him. Just give the FK, game quietly carries on, maybe Watford player whinges he gets a touch on the ball. I reckon the other 10 Watford players wouldn't be amazed it's a FK.
Also he really, really hates us, obviously.
I say a similar duck thing for the penalty. It's soft, I think he dives. But it LOOKS like a penalty, it's Fellaini, it's a clumsy challenge as he turns back. You could perhaps argue it after the replays tell you his exaggerated fall looks stupid but in real time it's a fair enough decision.
Thing is, Oliver makes the poor kind of decisions all the time I see him. It's all too much like what do I fancy doing here, rather than an applied method. You see him approach an incident & I've normally no idea what he's going to do, I think he's that bad. it's all the time with him, you've no idea what's going on.
Clattenburg is more specatacularly shit maybe but he does have patches where he looks like a referee & not some 6th Form prefect who doesn't play football but is having a practice to see if he fancies the job.
Most of all, I think he's a crap referee.
We all have our biases. He doesn't have to hate United. Maybe he dislikes United, favours some other club or despises certain players at United.
Fantastic summary. I would hate him less if he really was biased against us. The guy's the most incompetent and least authoritative ref out there!
Nah he's just a really shit referee. Every game is littered with inconsistencies and stupid decisions.
That's fair enough, he's far from flawless.
Wasn't it Oliver who red carded Di Maria for touching him while ignoring a headbutt from Joe Hart last season ?
Ya.. in 2014-15 season.
After the ADM incident, in one of the matches Kompany pulled him back when he was waking away, but Oliver ignored that.
Not to forget that he didn't see any foul when Ospina took out Oscar in a match.
Can't fault the people who think he's biased.
Being a ref is an impossible job.
Just out of curiosity are there any refs any of you consider worthy of officiating our matches?
Didn't think so
Just out of curiosity are there any refs any of you consider worthy of officiating our matches?
Didn't think so
Done properly it isn't an impossible job, you just need guys who know the rules and apply them correctly, without favouring one team. Sure, referees will make mistakes, but if you take out Oliver, Dean and Atkinson, then clubs will get a fair crack of the whip, whereby mistakes will even themselves out over the course of a season. But those three have a long history of giving decisions against United, they aren't fair and impartial officials.
He also refused to send off Bellarin against us when he took a player clean out and was on a yellow. Same game he sent off Di Maria
Very bias ref, said it for years. We always lose when he refs our matches and he always makes a big match changing decision against us
Fair enough, so other than those three you think refs are alright in your books?
Howard Webb.
Yeah he'd beng my top pick as well. Is he back involved with police work to some capacity these days?
He does decision analysis for BT sport. Didn't know about the police thing.
Worst ref of all time
He looks like he would be chuffed if he was put in Slytherin, slimy cnut.
Random bump, but is there any way to see the results of the United matches he's managed?
It came up in a conversation today, i can't remember United ever winning when he has been the referee
It came up in a conversation today, i can't remember United ever winning when he has been the referee
He was ref when we beat city last season although he tried his best for them by denying Rashford a blatant pen.
I think he was the ref when we won 3-1 against Liverpool last season.
Thanks Lurpak! Was starting to think I'd never actually get the stats.
21 games in total, just 9 wins. 7 defeats.
I really do hate when he's the ref. I'm not claiming he's corrupt or anything but he does always seem to make awful decisions against us
Just read a match report for the city game yesterday and apparently he was doing all he could to make sure city got the win, thank god it didn't work out.
Funny that. When i read the thread tittle (his name basically) my instant reaction was "bias towards City".
I was worried he was being discussed because he was officiating the game on Monday. He would probably shit himself if he had to make a big decision against the home crowd.
I thought Jagielka was doing that by himself just fine.
This.