Scandi Red
Hates Music.
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2022
- Messages
- 6,547
Is he juicing? Yes. Does he still need to workout hard and be consistent? Yes.
What the feck?!
Siri, cancel my Rhino Roids order.
Is he juicing? Yes. Does he still need to workout hard and be consistent? Yes.
I'm not even juiced and this is me all summer so far.I vividly remember my roided up friend at uni walked to my house for pre-drinks before a night out and he couldn't stop sweating once he arrived. But hey, he looked good, right?!
preach, I am not built for humidity.I'm not even juiced and this is me all summer so far.
Anybody saying that you can achieve a body like that naturally has never stepped in a gym surely
Ozil was a professional footballer with access to personal training and state of the art equipment his entire life, and never achieved a body like that while at his prime playing in the most competitive league in the world. Suggesting that he can do it "because he has more free time and motivation" now is a hilarious take
That’s the level of discourse I expect on a bodybuilding forum.This is slowly turning into the greatest forum thread of all time. The fun starts from post number 6:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751
That’s the level of discourse I expect on a bodybuilding forum.
Nothing on Fernando Torres. Guy turned into an absolute meathead.
Ozil's transformation doesn't look particularly otherworldly for an elite level athlete. Definite props for him to be disciplined to get in that shape, but I would expect an elite level athlete to have the means and discipline to do so.
Goretzkas transformation and regression is a much bigger sign of PEDs than this.
This is slowly turning into the greatest forum thread of all time. The fun starts from post number 6:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751
Ozil's so veiny, probably thinks this thread is about himTorres looks like a proper fitness model. Ozil looks a bit too veiny and disproportionate. His body fat is possibly not in the single digits in the IG pic above.
This is slowly turning into the greatest forum thread of all time. The fun starts from post number 6:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751
That’s the level of discourse I expect on a bodybuilding forum.
You're now "enhanced" are youI'm sorry but youre absolutely clueless.
For the record I competed in natural bodybuilding for 10 years (i'm now enhanced) and looked better than that - i won numerous shows within the UK. I also flew all over the world competing in natural Olympias and i was drug tested.
Again you show your complete ignorance on the subject - A footballer who spends hours and hours every single day running is never going to be able to achieve a body like that for a variety of reasons (focus on cardiovascular not - strength training is aimed at strength not bodybuilding - myofib instead of sarcoplasmic / inability to eat enough food to gain muscle with such a high input) and i'm happy to explain them to you in detail if you need me to.
I'm not saying he's not on gear - he may well be - but to suggest that you cannot attain that physique naturally(which to me as a bodybuilder of 14 years isn't particular impressive) is nonsense.
He just might be a veiny guy though, which he kinda showed in those pics Pogue posted at Arsenal. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt as it's not a crazy transformation. It just great down lighting and a good pump from someone who already had elite athletic ability.Torres looks like a proper fitness model. Ozil looks a bit too veiny and disproportionate. His body fat is possibly not in the single digits in the IG pic above.
I vaguely remember something like this.Wasn’t there an Arsenal fan forum where they blew their minds trying to agree on how old someone is?
There's not a chance in hell he's not juicing my enhanced guy...I'm sorry but youre absolutely clueless.
For the record I competed in natural bodybuilding for 10 years (i'm now enhanced) and looked better than that - i won numerous shows within the UK. I also flew all over the world competing in natural Olympias and i was drug tested.
Again you show your complete ignorance on the subject - A footballer who spends hours and hours every single day running is never going to be able to achieve a body like that for a variety of reasons (focus on cardiovascular not - strength training is aimed at strength not bodybuilding - myofib instead of sarcoplasmic / inability to eat enough food to gain muscle with such a high input) and i'm happy to explain them to you in detail if you need me to.
I'm not saying he's not on gear - he may well be - but to suggest that you cannot attain that physique naturally(which to me as a bodybuilder of 14 years isn't particular impressive) is nonsense.
Wasn’t there an Arsenal fan forum where they blew their minds trying to agree on how old someone is?
I'm sorry but youre absolutely clueless.
For the record I competed in natural bodybuilding for 10 years (i'm now enhanced) and looked better than that - i won numerous shows within the UK. I also flew all over the world competing in natural Olympias and i was drug tested.
Again you show your complete ignorance on the subject - A footballer who spends hours and hours every single day running is never going to be able to achieve a body like that for a variety of reasons (focus on cardiovascular not - strength training is aimed at strength not bodybuilding - myofib instead of sarcoplasmic / inability to eat enough food to gain muscle with such a high input) and i'm happy to explain them to you in detail if you need me to.
I'm not saying he's not on gear - he may well be - but to suggest that you cannot attain that physique naturally(which to me as a bodybuilder of 14 years isn't particular impressive) is nonsense.
No, I railed against people saying Robert Pattison looked ripped for The Batman, when he very obviously still looked like an 12 year old girl.That's a parody post. Someone (I think @simonhch ?) said exactly that about Christian Bale's "transformation" for the Batman movie (where he put on about the same amount of muscle as Ozil, in a shorter period of time).
No, I railed against people saying Robert Pattison looked ripped for The Batman, when he very obviously still looked like an 12 year old girl.
Some people shouldnt be allowed internet access.
This is slowly turning into the greatest forum thread of all time. The fun starts from post number 6:
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751
You're now "enhanced" are you
This thread is absolutely wild I love it
Having experience with it doesn't mean you're right. We're talking a year of training here, it's just ridiculous. No one is saying he couldn't achieve that body over time, but in a year.. without steroids? Very unlikely.Enhanced is literally the general term bodybuilders use to say they're on gear. Sorry I forgot the target audience here. Although I do like the idea of being all cyberpunked up. But hey if people want to believe that he;s on juice rather than listen to actual people who have competed in bodybuilding for 10 plus years, then have at it. It usually stems from an attitude of having no fecking clue about training and nutrition but i should have known better than to try and help educate people about training on a football forum.
Enhanced is literally the general term bodybuilders use to say they're on gear. Sorry I forgot the target audience here. Although I do like the idea of being all cyberpunked up. But hey if people want to believe that he;s on juice rather than listen to actual people who have competed in bodybuilding for 10 plus years, then have at it. It usually stems from an attitude of having no fecking clue about training and nutrition but i should have known better than to try and help educate people about training on a football forum.
I'm sorry but youre absolutely clueless.
For the record I competed in natural bodybuilding for 10 years (i'm now enhanced) and looked better than that - i won numerous shows within the UK. I also flew all over the world competing in natural Olympias and i was drug tested.
Again you show your complete ignorance on the subject - A footballer who spends hours and hours every single day running is never going to be able to achieve a body like that for a variety of reasons (focus on cardiovascular not - strength training is aimed at strength not bodybuilding - myofib instead of sarcoplasmic / inability to eat enough food to gain muscle with such a high input) and i'm happy to explain them to you in detail if you need me to.
I'm not saying he's not on gear - he may well be - but to suggest that you cannot attain that physique naturally(which to me as a bodybuilder of 14 years isn't particular impressive) is nonsense.
Greg Doucette has competed for a lot longer than you, and he disagrees, so the CV thing probably isn't going to work.
In your comment you basically said two things: 1) you can be bigger than what Özil is now while being natural, and 2) a footballer is never going to look like that when active.
1 is obviously true, 2 not really but I get what you're going for. It's pretty irrelevant for why people think he's on gear. It's not that he's crazy big, it's that he is the size that he is combined with:
- how quick he got there
- how he clearly doesn't have great genetics for it, not because he wasn't huge when training as a professional footballer, but because he was tiny compared to other footballers who also train as professional footballers.
- how he did it while losing a fair bit of weight, meaning he built a lot of muscle on a deficit, or he did a cut which takes quite a bit of time and further eats into the timeline.
- his face got fatter while he lost a substantial amount of weight. Where did all that water come from? It's a lot.
If they are not competing against clean athletes I see no issue in employing steroids to be honest. Some people drinks two pints a day, everybody trashes their body one way or the other.Other than the sad fact that some people here actually give credit to steroid users by using the stupidest argument "they also put the work in", this thread is hilarious. Special shoutout to the woman whispererer holy trinity68.
I don't gaf about Ozil but those saying he's natural feels like a form of gaslightingIt's shocking how many people give a shit.
Absolutely worth it for "I am now enhanced" though.
It's shocking how many people give a shit.
Absolutely worth it for "I am now enhanced" though.
For a professional footballer though he was pretty slight, that much is undeniable surely(?!), which gives the impression that his body type doesn't lend itself to building muscle.It’s now been mentioned multiple times, including with photographic evidence, that this “transformation” was already well underway 12 months ago. And could well have begun while he was still at Arsenal. So we discount the “how quick he got there” argument right out the gate.
The genetics thing is nonsense too. He was never “tiny”. Again we have photographic evidence to prove this.
Is the 'I am now enhanced' guy a great bar against which to judge reason...?!Finally! Felt like a lone voice of sanity. Well me and @JPRouve anyway.