Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k

[ti vu]

A 'free' can be very expensive. He'd be asking for an obscene signing on fee, agent fee and higher wages. For instance Ibrahimovic earned £19m for 1 season and I'm not sure that includes his signing on fee and there's agent fees too.

There's been talk of Ozil asking for 300k a week and Alexis 400k a week. I think I'd pay them both but they're both going to be 29 by the start of 18/19 and Ozil has never had the best stamina.

If United get him I can see them letting Mata go on a free to balance the squad.

Zlatan initial contract had option for us to extend his contract for further year, regardless he wanted the second year or not. So technically it's 2 seasons. After his injury we didn't trigger that second season. We renegotiated it with Zlatan had to take a cut in his wage to rejoined us.

Point is the sign on fee is not annual payment. So let say Ozil gets 30mil from his first year. That's still acceptable for the player of his quality. 30mil in this market still leave you with uncertain quality. Ozil for all his flaw in tough games, is quite good in other games. After a season, we can get back the up front money easily for the player of his quality. Look at the fee paid for even lesser player this summer.

In a market where Oxlade-Chamberlain is a £35million pound player, the idea anyone wouldnt want Ozil on a free is frightening.

40mil la

 

[dannyrhinos89]

The guy on Arsenal mania summed it up perfect, at united we are defensively sound and have a solid midfield. He doesn't get that at Arsenal.

Because of this it will allow Ozil to remain forward, he was also right in saying the Arsenal attackers basically don't move, in the counter attack style we play combined with the pace and the runs rashford, martial, lukaku and hopefully Griezmann make it will be perfect for Ozil.

He's an upgrade on mata and mkhi and If Jose could get him playing to his capabilities We will be laughing. Personally I think he will be hugely successful here.

 

[Un4givableB]

If Jose wants Ozil, then l want Ozil.

 

[Lentwood]

One of the major reasons for the current malaise hanging over the Arsenal squad, is Mezut Ozil. It's not like he tries and the rest of the team drag him down. He is ALWAYS one of the main culprits. More so than any other player they have.

Sanchez is so many levels above Ozil that you're basically being ridiculous. There is a reason why one of them had £50m+ bids coming in and the other clubs don't want to go near.

We don't know whether any clubs came in for Ozil or Sanchez. All we have is speculation.

I don't care either way in this debate as I don't think we will get either and I won't be bothered if we don't - however to say Sanchez is "so many levels above" Ozil shows a very short-term memory. Ozil has been fantastic the majority of his career and I don't think you can blame Arsenal's problems on him at all

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

We don't know whether any clubs came in for Ozil or Sanchez. All we have is speculation.

I don't care either way in this debate as I don't think we will get either and I won't be bothered if we don't - however to say Sanchez is "so many levels above" Ozil shows a very short-term memory. Ozil has been fantastic the majority of his career and I don't think you can blame Arsenal's problems on him at all

Sanchez is many levels above Ozil, he is one of a rare number of game changers. He is probably in the tier just under Ronaldo and Messi (albeit a big gap in levels).

But this doesn't make Ozil any less of a player as per your point. He just isn't in that sublime bracket, but he also doesn't need to be. That's not his prime responsibility, he is the master creator and for that he has been one of best out there.

But it's like comparing a top defender versus Sanchez. Even if that player can make a massive difference, it's not the same as the top bracket of game changers as these are players who single handedly win games.

So bottom line Sanchez is worth more and a high salary, but understandable if Ozil expected the same because if you want a player in his position there are few better and with no fee to be paid he can expect to achieve the top of his salary potential.

Basically it's a moot point. You either want one or the other or both and the cost for comparison is somewhat irrelevant.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Half of them play in different positions are you sure?

I'm sure. Kroos for example first broke into the Germany side as a 10. Goetze was pushed to false 9 because of Ozil. Many a German fan wondered why Gundogan was not starting deep with Kroos as a 10. It was also asked at points asked why Mueller wasn't shifted infield to allow the pace of guys like Reus and Schurrle on the flanks instead of Ozil. Ozil has beaten them all. And at club level, his Real Madrid spell speaks for itself. I don't believe they were wise letting him go to keep ADM. Luckily for them it worked out in the long term. On a free they are few teams in Europe who wouldn't be enhanced by a 28/29 year old Ozil

 

[NoPace]

Someone who can perform better than Ozil as a RW in a 4-3-3 makes more sense, which is to say Bale, Griezmann or Sanchez or if we judge him good enough, a young talent like Lemar, Malcom or Pulisic.

But if we can't get any of the first 3, there are crazier ideas than having this as our attack in most games:

------------------Lukaku(Rashford)----------
Martial(Rashford)-Ozil(Mkhitaryan)-Mata(Mkhitaryan)

forget about whether it's Martial or Rashford at LW and Mkhi or Mata at RW, the point is that we'd have 3 guys for 2 spots which is just about right, with Lingard around as depth and for cup games. I could see us also having Zlatan stick around one more year or replacing him with a random veteran on a free just to have another 9 around.

When we did bring in Herrera or Fellaini (or possibly Pereira) to play a 4-3-3 in tougher games we'd still be lacking a proper right winger though, unless Mkhitaryan can improve there or Rashford can take the spot.

So, it's like a 7/10 fit for me. 10s are a hard fit for a top team. If Dybala moves next summer then Juve would make a lot of sense, as they're solid and could play Ozil in Dybala's role with Costa, Bernardeschi, Mandzukic and Cuadrado as wing options. I could also see him at Milan now that they're spending and they could use a creative type. Maybe the same for Roma but they probably can't afford him.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I wouldn't say no.

 

[charlenefan]

Ozil would be the last player at Arsenal I would want us to sign, I'd even take garbage like Xhaka and Elneny over him. Ozil typifies Arsenal, pretty on the ball but tactically inept, weak physically and mentally but worst of all indolent

Baffles me when people say he's better than Mata, guess those think football is just about attacking play

 

[minoo-utd]

Better go get Sanchez.

 

[ti vu]

Sanchez is many levels above Ozil, he is one of a rare number of game changers. He is probably in the tier just under Ronaldo and Messi (albeit a big gap in levels).

But this doesn't make Ozil any less of a player as per your point. He just isn't in that sublime bracket, but he also doesn't need to be. That's not his prime responsibility, he is the master creator and for that he has been one of best out there.

But it's like comparing a top defender versus Sanchez. Even if that player can make a massive difference, it's not the same as the top bracket of game changers as these are players who single handedly win games.

So bottom line Sanchez is worth more and a high salary, but understandable if Ozil expected the same because if you want a player in his position there are few better and with no fee to be paid he can expect to achieve the top of his salary potential.

Basically it's a moot point. You either want one or the other or both and the cost for comparison is somewhat irrelevant.

That's overrating Sanchez. The tier below Messi & Ronaldo would have been prime Suarez and that guy was unplayable even playing for the side like L'pool.

Sanchez is pretty lazy himself and a sulker. I think people mistake someone has natural pace, intensity in their play as caring more. In truth, when Sanchez can't be arsed, he is as lazy as Ozil.

As per what player a team should go for, it's up what the team need. For us, Lukaku should provide enough goals. Sanchez occupied the position and zone as Martial. This is not the same Udinese Sanchez and Barcelona Sanchez. This Sanchez is much more selfish and less hard worker. Having Lukaku and we seem to not provide enough service to get the most out of him, adding another attacker who needs to be fed would be counter productive. It's like fitting Lampard and Gerrard in midfield all over again, while neglecting the holding midfielder position. For all his flaw, Ozil is always a good provider for the forward.

I don't get the achieve the top of his salary potential part. Would it exceed paying salary and transfer fee for a similar quality? We saw lesser quality player would ended up cost more. There are better players than Ozil, of course, but the eventual cost would be much more expensive too.

 

[forevrared]

I still hold it against him that we got Bebe when we thought he was going to sign for United at any minute.

 

[Obiorahking_]

I'd much rather have Sanchez on free than him. We'd have a great shot at CL and could take the league by storm.

 

[Ali Dia]

I would also much rather Sanchez but either player on a free would be good business. Statistically they are 2 of the best players in the league in a pretty average team.

 

[kundalini]

We'd be paying top wages for a player who would be 29 for the first 2 months of the season then 30+ for the rest of his time. He wasn't even that good at his peak so god knows why we would want to have him past his peak.

United under Mourinho have had little problem creating chances against modest opposition, finishing those chances was a different matter last season, less so this. It is obvious Ozil isn't of much value against top sides in the PL.

 

[criticalanalysis]

We'd be paying top wages for a player who would be 29 for the first 2 months of the season then 30+ for the rest of his time. He wasn't even that good at his peak so god knows why we would want to have him past his peak.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/span...cision-to-sell-ozil-surprised-me-says-iniesta

At his peak Ozil was the most 'Barca' player in a Real Madrid shirt. Youtube compilations means jack but you should watch a couple to see the quality of his chance creations, assists, weight of pass, touch, ball carrying and decision making to understand he was elite.

On a free I would not say no because he is like the best bits of Mata/Miki. We've seeing one 'over-the-hill player' in Matic do well for us, perhaps this one wouldn't be crazy too.

 

[P-Nut]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/span...cision-to-sell-ozil-surprised-me-says-iniesta

At his peak Ozil was the most 'Barca' player in a Real Madrid shirt. Youtube compilations means jack but you should watch a couple to see the quality of his chance creations, assists, weight of pass, touch, ball carrying and decision making to understand he was elite.

On a free I would not say no because he is like the best bits of Mata/Miki. We've seeing one 'over-the-hill player' in Matic do well for us, perhaps this one wouldn't be crazy too.

I loved him at Madrid. The guy was top top class during his peak there.

 

[Hojoon]

I loved him at Madrid. The guy was top top class during his peak there.

Yeah, some of those passes in this video are great.

 

[haram]

Ozil would be the last player at Arsenal I would want us to sign, I'd even take garbage like Xhaka and Elneny over him. Ozil typifies Arsenal, pretty on the ball but tactically inept, weak physically and mentally but worst of all indolent

Baffles me when people say he's better than Mata, guess those think football is just about attacking play

One of the worst posts I have ever seen on here.

 

[P-Nut]

Yeah, some of those passes in this video are great.

I actually felt like that video didn't do his overall impact on the game justice which is saying something when pretty much every ball is perfectly weighted and the disguise he uses is sublime.

 

[ti vu]

Remember when he was good? Definitely feels like he's gone backwards in the last two seasons. (I am sure some desperate fanboy will attempt to prove me wrong with stats)

2 seasons?

Upon joining Arsenal and he's already gone backwards. Moving from a team who aim to challenge for everything in sight to a team where there manager can't wait to get the excuse in early... most obvious step back as it gets.

 

[Agni]

The obsession on here with players who track back and put in a defensive shift is weird. With a solid defence and a good DM which we have Ozil would be an excellent signing.

 

[2 man midfield]

Griezmann and Sanchez please. Don't want Ozil.

 

[AgentP]

If Ozil comes here, he'll play as a No.10. Is he really that much better than Mkhi? I don't think so. We need to add another goal scorer in the team. Right now, we seem to be scoring lots of goals but we don't know if this can be sustained. I'd rather us sign Griezmann for 100m.

 

[lysglimt]

I would gladly take Germany-Özil - but not Arsenal-Özil. It's like he (and many other) has a different mentally when he plays for Arsenal. Almost good enough is good enough - whereas for Germany he knows he is out of the team if he performs poorly - and hence hardly ever performs poorly.

 

[lysglimt]

The obsession on here with players who track back and put in a defensive shift is weird. With a solid defence and a good DM which we have Ozil would be an excellent signing.

That is not true - in a Mourinho-team everyone needs to do what they are supposed to. Didn't you see how hard Lukaku, Rashford and Mata worked to prevent Southampton getting chances. Having said that - I Believe Mourinho would get Özil to do exactly the same.

 

[simonhch]

The guy is a top drawer player and an exceptional talent. I would take him without hesitating. A midfield three of Matic, Pogba and Ozil is truly outstanding. Embarrassingly good.

He's been criminally underrated on here because of his inconsistent displays in a shambolic Arsenal team. He needs a breath of fresh air. Mourinho worked wonders for him last time, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that if he came here, he'd be an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. He'd be a huge upgrade on Mkhitaryan and Mata. With Rashford, Lukaku and Martial running off him, he'd be devastating. I can see Martial drifting in, as he likes to do, and forming so many superb triangles with Ozil and Pogba. While the other side of the pitch would see more width, and the directness of Valencia, Rashford and Lukaku. Diverse, yet balanced.

 

[The No.10!]

Do not want

 

[Maradona10]

Its a tricky one this, he will improve the overall squad but his mentality is very questionable. Along with the fact we have Mkhi/mata/rash in that position. I hope we dont settle for ozil in that position as if we go for this position to be strengthened then it has to be a player like dybala/griezmann.
Dont think we can play him on the wings either, it might just be chatter from his agent to get him a good move and a final payday. Think jose wants a winger and Ozil certainly isnt one. He might be option "C " behind Griezmann and Dybala.

 

[Drainy]

One of the best creative players in the league on a free and people are saying no?

He is better than any of our current number 10s.

 

[RedTillI'mDead]

That's overrating Sanchez. The tier below Messi & Ronaldo would have been prime Suarez and that guy was unplayable even playing for the side like L'pool.

Sanchez is pretty lazy himself and a sulker. I think people mistake someone has natural pace, intensity in their play as caring more. In truth, when Sanchez can't be arsed, he is as lazy as Ozil.

As per what player a team should go for, it's up what the team need. For us, Lukaku should provide enough goals. Sanchez occupied the position and zone as Martial. This is not the same Udinese Sanchez and Barcelona Sanchez. This Sanchez is much more selfish and less hard worker. Having Lukaku and we seem to not provide enough service to get the most out of him, adding another attacker who needs to be fed would be counter productive. It's like fitting Lampard and Gerrard in midfield all over again, while neglecting the holding midfielder position. For all his flaw, Ozil is always a good provider for the forward.

I don't get the achieve the top of his salary potential part. Would it exceed paying salary and transfer fee for a similar quality? We saw lesser quality player would ended up cost more. There are better players than Ozil, of course, but the eventual cost would be much more expensive too.

The salary potential part I meant, Ozil is never going to be paid £500k plus as too disruptive to the team, so his peak potential is maybe £300k. This should be much cheaper than including a transfer fee.

But what I meant is has he been sold with a fee he might have only got £200-250k. So this is what I mean about he can achieve peak salary. Someone like Sanchez though may still be topped out at £350k potential regardless of fee as is such a special talent.

But that said I do get your point about the laziness and other players who might be better as a result.

I think Suarez and Sanchez are similar levels at peak effort.

 

[roonster09]

Ozil would be the last player at Arsenal I would want us to sign, I'd even take garbage like Xhaka and Elneny over him. Ozil typifies Arsenal, pretty on the ball but tactically inept, weak physically and mentally but worst of all indolent

Baffles me when people say he's better than Mata, guess those think football is just about attacking play

I think you are bit harsh on Ozil. He played for Jose who likes players who are good tactically, he is also regular for Germany who are tactically very much great team.

Problem is wenger and his inability to set up a team.

 

[itso 7]

One of the best creative players in the league on a free and people are saying no?

He is better than any of our current number 10s.

The problem with that is that every number 10 we have signed has been better than any of our number 10s from the day we signed Kagawa. Imo we need to find a number 10 that has the qualities that Jose likes in a number 10 not one who seems better than what we already have say a mix of Mkhi and Mata - a player who is good on the ball, tenacious off it, creative to boot, prolific and has pace. Very difficult to find but that what we should aim for imo.

 

[Havak]

He'll end up at somewhere like Juventus or Dortmund IMO.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Yes, but only if he is on a free transfer and we buy another attacking player as well.

 

[sincher]

Very good player obviously but does not fit with what we are trying to build (or at least not what I think we are trying to build).

 

[charlenefan]

One of the worst posts I have ever seen on here.

Is it because you don't know what indolent means?

 

[WackyWengerWorld]

Remember when he was good? Definitely feels like he's gone backwards in the last two seasons. (I am sure some desperate fanboy will attempt to prove me wrong with stats)

He's lost a yard of pace and has lost some stamina but the season before last was one of his best in terms of assists.

 

[RU Devil]

Would Jose really want him? If so, I wouldn't mind having him as an option. At worst, Jose wouldn't play him if he thought he was slacking on the pitch. Arsene, for all the beautiful tactics he uses, does not 'punish' his players or demand that they put in a shift, especially defensively. As noted above, if we got Germany-Ozil, he'd be a bargain on a free (yeah, the sign-on fee could be rather high, but cheaper than buying from Arsenal). If Jose is really interested, I almost hope he plays a bit crap this season so that the sign-on fee is driven down, while competitors are scared away.

Figure he could be a big piece of the puzzle to really challenge for the CL in 2018-19. Not so sure Mata or Mhki is enough, even if Griezmann came aboard. Probably spell the end for A. Pereira as a #10 or even a squad member, though, unless Mata doesn't get re-upped.

 

[Mourinhonista]

He could've an Andrea Pirlo esque impact here. A lot of football people thought that Pirlo was done and dusted at Milan, not so Juve and look how that one turned out to be...

Özil didn't suffer a career ending injury compared to Luke Shaw or isn't an old fart.
As already been mentioned, Wenger is failing Özil, not the other way around.

Özil is a brilliant passer of the ball and Mourinho got a lot out of Cesc Fabregas, despite the saying that he's an enemy of football, he can't hide his Barca roots and likes slick passing all day long when given the tools. Bring him in!