Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k

Do you want Ozil at Manchester United?

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Ozil is class player, he isn't good defensively but anyone expecting defensive performance from such a great #10 should check what their priorities are w.r.t #10s.

Wenger is a poor coach and don't know how to set up the team that can hide his flaws. Asking Ozil to man mark some player for corners must be one of the dumbest move.

Regarding work rate and all that,
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No thanks. He's a ghost in all big games he's played the entire time he's been at Arsenal. An unneeded luxury player. I'd rather stick with what we have and look to add Griezmann, and strengthen the defense out. Plus if he's on a free he will be asking for silly wages to compensate the lack of transfer fee. Not what we need.
 
Ozil on a free in this market? Absolutely.

Mourinho will get more out of him than Wenger, plus he's only 28 - he's still got at least 3/4 more years in him
 
He'd be an upgrade on Mata.

It's probably been said but I think Jose will get the best out of him like at Real.

When defending a lead with 15 minutes to go he'll be taken off unlike when he's at Arsenal and is an absolute passenger.
 
A 'free' can be very expensive. He'd be asking for an obscene signing on fee, agent fee and higher wages. For instance Ibrahimovic earned £19m for 1 season and I'm not sure that includes his signing on fee and there's agent fees too.

There's been talk of Ozil asking for 300k a week and Alexis 400k a week. I think I'd pay them both but they're both going to be 29 by the start of 18/19 and Ozil has never had the best stamina.

If United get him I can see them letting Mata go on a free to balance the squad.
 
That would mean no Griezmann, I guess? Anyway I think he would improve us and we all know Jose has an idea how to use him. Major upgrade on Mata I think.
 
settembrini said:
If you could convince Ozil to only play the easy games he would be an amazing player. He's unreal at breaking down defences with his movement and passing.

However in games where his team don't dominate he is shockingly bad. Even worse than Mata. It was a bit of luck for Arsenal that he was injured for their game against Chelsea last week as he's their biggest liability in such matches.

Would he join United under the condition that he would be left out of every big game? I doubt it. So I wouldn't want him here. He just costs you so much against your rivals.
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Not sure I agree with this narrative, he got 8 assists against Barcelona in his 3 seasons at Madrid 2010-2013 (some would argue Barcelona’s best era). In 15/16 he got 2 goals and 2 assists vs United, 2 assists against City, 1 goal against Bayern, 1 assist vs Spurs. Last season he got an assist against each of Spurs, Chelsea and City.

I certainly wouldn’t omit him from the big games, his movements and passing is what unlocks the big teams who choose to venture forward more. I feel a lot of the criticism he is receiving is because he plays for an Arsenal side filled with defensive naievity, which makes him look worse as he’s a creative player in a team that’s heavily lacking in defensive structure. He’s fighting a losing battle even before the games have started. For Germany he plays in an organised team and he shines playing for them, likewise for Mourinho’s Madrid.
 
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don't sign old players said:
I think you're right about Pulisic. He should eventually operate as CAM in whichever team he plays for. I think he's excellent on the flanks though, for now. I could easily argue that every one of our forwards is more effective in central roles, but that isn't so bad if we have fullbacks that can provide quality passes into the box consistently. Obviously old style wingers are a thing of the past, but players that are versatile enough to move into wide areas and attack the box from either side will improve us more than anything. Martial can do it from the left hand side, but Mata, Mkhitaryan, Lukaku, Lingard, Rashford are noticeably more effective operating in central roles. I think Ozil and Dybala (and Griezmann) will only add to that list. If we're going to add a #10 or second striker, it might as well be a massive upgrade like Dybala or Griezmann.
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Good points. However, I would think Mourinho really rates wingers that use the width of the pitch, given that Willian is one of his favourites and his pursuit of Perisic this summer. But, on Ozil I think if we were to get him, it would be for a central role. So, from Mourinho's POV it's a matter of whether Ozil is better than say Mata or Miki in behind.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Not sure I agree with this narrative, he got 8 assists against Barcelona in his 3 seasons at Madrid 2010-2013 (some would argue Barcelona’s best era). In 15/16 he got 2 goals and 2 assists vs United, 2 assists against City, 1 goal against Bayern, 1 assist vs Spurs. Last season he got an assist against each of Spurs, Chelsea and City.

I certainly wouldn’t omit him from the big games, his movements and passing is what unlocks the big teams who choose to venture forward more. I feel a lot of the criticism he is receiving is because he plays for an Arsenal side filled with defensive naievity, which makes him look worse as he’s a creative player in a team that’s heavily lacking in defensive structure. He’s fighting a losing battle even before the games have started. For Germany he plays in an organised team and he shines playing for them, likewise for Mourinho’s Madrid.
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I was unclear in my post sorry. My criticism is that when his team doesn't have the ball he is exceptionally poor. His tackling and interceptions statistics are awful and I have seen him enough times to know that is not the fault of his team mates. He simply lets the opposition beat him to the ball and go past him without even trying to prevent it.

Against weaker sides that doesn't matter because they will not have much possession and lack quality players who can hurt you when they do attack. However against good teams it's just a completely unnecessary weakness to have. Arsenal's horrific record in big games is not down to any one thing but Ozil's inability/unwillingness to do even close to his share of defensive work is a factor in it.
 
IMO Ozil is coming down the other side of his career, zenith was Madrid, stopped the slide for a season or two at Arsenal, but now as the song says "looking for a soft place to fall", hope its not OT! Zlatan was a one-off, in that respect and I'm not even sure he will make it back as he was, our needs have changed now, don't look back!
 
Torn on Ozil. On one hand, a very creative player that would help us unlock stubborn defences with his creativity and passing. The downside is the man is the definition of a luxury player. He's not a Mourinho type of player in that he won't track back or defend and can seem disinterested and lazy at times. He does best when he is surrounded by rock solid hard working players that cover for his lack of defensive contributions like when he plays for Germany. A brilliant player but would probably suit Chelsea or City better.
 
Red Star One said:
That would mean no Griezmann, I guess? Anyway I think he would improve us and we all know Jose has an idea how to use him. Major upgrade on Mata I think.
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José might reconvert Griezmann to an Eto'o-esque wide forward. Not his ideal position, but he has a lot of qualities Mourinho needs at the position (including high workrate off-the-ball - honed under Simeone at Atlético). Özil hasn't been consistently excellent since joining Arsenal, but he tends to do well for Germany - where he is surrounded by a lot of good players so he's a part of the machinery than some sort of messiah. Maybe joining United under Mourinho will give him the psychological boost he needs in terms of competing for major silverware as part of a structured team where his role is more defined and he can be a facilitator for the likes of Lukaku and potentially Griezmann:
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Not a massive fan and he didn't always see eye to eye with Mourinho at Madrid after the collapse against Barcelona, but voted apprehensive Yes because he'll be great value on a free transfer, and Mourinho might re-energize him given that Özil is more mature now and knows that his legacy in club football might hinge on what he does in his final years at the top, top level after a bit of a humdrum spell under Wenger. Plus, while someone like Dybala would the ideal acquisition alongside Lukaku, he's very unrealistic given Madrid and Barcelona's standing interest in him.
 
Very ambivalent about this. Ozil at Madrid was fantastic, but that was a different league with a much stronger team around him. I've never seen him in an Arsenal shirt and thought "wow, I'd love if this player played for us". Which is something that I've said about Sanchez or even RvP, Fabregas, Henry and Viera in the past.

The most tempting things about this transfer are:
a) no transfer fee
b) another chance to get one over Wenger

It depends on Mourinho. If he believes he can get the best out of Ozil, then we should trust him more than our own gut. He's worked with him before and of course he's the manager.
 
Yes on condition that he signs only a 3-year contract, it would be crazy to give a 29 year old a 4- or 5-year contract on £250-300k a week. (Mata earns £140k a week now, and his contract expires next June).
 
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Since his debut he has had Podolski, Kroos, Muller, Schurrler, Reus, Draxler, Goetze, Gundogan, Meyer, Goreztka, Stindl, Gnabry, Sane, Amin Younes, Sidney Sam and Bellarabi as competition. His beaten all of them off even when they have been fit and on form
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Half of them play in different positions are you sure?
 
I think we could use a couple of additions in attack but there's half a dozen I'd prefer before Ozil with his atrocious attitude.
 
Absolutely amazing that there's more yes votes than no.

How exactly does a good run of form about 5-6 years ago, in a completely different league, cancel out being inconsistent and completely spineless for 4 years on the trot?

If you asked me to name one player who's attitude meant he should never play for us, it'd probably be Ozil...and even if you take that out of the equation, he's about half as good as people like to pretend he is.

Might as well sign Welbeck back while we're at it.
 
Not a player I've ever really liked. Don't think he's good enough often enough to be a regular starter at the big clubs and doubt he'd take a squad role.
 
I would take Ozil on a free definitely. Let's be honest, with the current malaise hanging over the Arsenal squad it must be incredibly difficult to really show off the best of your talents. Sanchez aside, the rest have struggled - and even Alexis I class as more of a 'scrappy but effective' player than someone who has the effortless ability of Mesut Ozil

I reckon he would be a definite upgrade on Mata and would gives us options so it yes for me
 
Are we sure this isn't some sort of ploy by Ozil's agent to up the anti with Arsenal before he resigns for another 3 years?

After all nothing better than letting it be known to the world that your player wants to join Manchester United, or in this case 'team up with Jose again', its sure to make headlines around the world, back pages anyway!
 
Lentwood said:
I would take Ozil on a free definitely. Let's be honest, with the current malaise hanging over the Arsenal squad it must be incredibly difficult to really show off the best of your talents. Sanchez aside, the rest have struggled - and even Alexis I class as more of a 'scrappy but effective' player than someone who has the effortless ability of Mesut Ozil

I reckon he would be a definite upgrade on Mata and would gives us options so it yes for me
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One of the major reasons for the current malaise hanging over the Arsenal squad, is Mezut Ozil. It's not like he tries and the rest of the team drag him down. He is ALWAYS one of the main culprits. More so than any other player they have.

Sanchez is so many levels above Ozil that you're basically being ridiculous. There is a reason why one of them had £50m+ bids coming in and the other clubs don't want to go near.
 
A few years ago, i would have struggled to think of anyone better, but he has gone down the pan at Arsenal in recent times, and that puts me right off.

We already have Mata & Mhiki in a similar role and I'd prefer both of those two above Ozil, so its a no from me.
 
If he is signed as a squad player, yes. As a starter, maybe i would prefer someone with a bit more consistency. However, I do rate Ozil as a player. He is one of those who doesn't look like he's putting in a shift but if you look at stats, he is. He is one of those types of players that Jose knows how to utilize. With the right set up, he can be very effective.
 
I wouldnt take him even if he pays us to play. Holy shit there are more votes for yes :lol:
 
In a market where Oxlade-Chamberlain is a £35million pound player, the idea anyone wouldnt want Ozil on a free is frightening.
 
You can never have too much quality in your squad. He would be surrounded by better players and a better setup for his talents to show. If he doesn't come off during that match, haul him off.
 
Ozil at his best would be laying chances on a plate for the likes of Lukaku, however it would essentially forever confine Pogba to playing deep in a double-pivot in a 4-2-3-1 and spell the end for at least one of Mata and Mkhitaryan, possibly both.
 
He could kick start his career here. Wonderful player who had moments of brilliance in his time with Arsenal but like many players there, I feel don’t continue their top class form once they realise they are at a club with a past it” manager and a team that won’t win the big prizes. Basically their top players eventually realise it’s best to leave.

Id take him 100%
 
DannyCAFC said:
Ozil at his best would be laying chances on a plate for the likes of Lukaku, however it would essentially forever confine Pogba to playing deep in a double-pivot in a 4-2-3-1 and spell the end for at least one of Mata and Mkhitaryan, possibly both.
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Mkhitaryan and Mata are both good players, but you can make the argument whoever we'll be looking at in the summer could spell the end for Mata or Mkhitaryan. A Griezmann or Ozil or someone of that ilk is going to show one of them out of contention.
 
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