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Do you want Ozil at Manchester United?

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He will be free in few months. Just wait & sign later. Mata need replacement anyway
 
#07 said:
My main issue with signing Ozil is it commits us to 4-2-3-1, which I think plays less to the strengths of our squad than 4-3-3.

Ozil is a great #10 but I’m not convinced we should be playing a #10.
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That's my concern as well, people keep acting like we can sign him, a top forward and a top CM but the best players don't come to spend chunks of time on the bench, Ozil will expect to start the bulk of the time meaning we'll have to either forgo a dynamic attacker to shoehorn him in as the RWF, or we consign Pogba to a role that doesn't utilize all his talents while weakneing the spine of the team, and buy a second tier CM that will be happy to only be drafted in for the games where Jose needs the extra body in midfield.
 
Devil may care said:
That's my concern as well, people keep acting like we can sign him, a top forward and a top CM but the best players don't come to spend chunks of time on the bench, Ozil will expect to start the bulk of the time meaning we'll have to either forgo a dynamic attacker to shoehorn him in as the RWF, or we consign Pogba to a role that doesn't utilize all his talents while weakneing the spine of the team, and buy a second tier CM that will be happy to only be drafted in for the games where Jose needs the extra body in midfield.
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Two of Lingard, Mata and Mkhitaryan play pretty much every game. One of Mata/Mkhitaryan and Ibra are likely to leave in the summer so two forwards won't increase the attacking numbers at all.
 
Devil may care said:
That's my concern as well, people keep acting like we can sign him, a top forward and a top CM but the best players don't come to spend chunks of time on the bench, Ozil will expect to start the bulk of the time meaning we'll have to either forgo a dynamic attacker to shoehorn him in as the RWF, or we consign Pogba to a role that doesn't utilize all his talents while weakneing the spine of the team, and buy a second tier CM that will be happy to only be drafted in for the games where Jose needs the extra body in midfield.
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Ozil can replace Mata. If you see the way we play against everton & derby, then Ozil fits our team. He is better than Mata. If Mata still in the team, he can be squad player for us.
 
POF said:
Two of Lingard, Mata and Mkhitaryan play pretty much every game. One of Mata/Mkhitaryan and Ibra are likely to leave in the summer so two forwards won't increase the attacking numbers at all.
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With a front 3 we have Lukaku/Martial/Mata/Lingard/Rashford/Mkhi/Ibra, that is 7 players for 3 spots, Ibra and Mkhi will likely be off and one attacker will come in to make 6 for the the 3 front roles, Ozil would be the forward whether he plays as the RWF or a #10.

King.of.Red said:
Ozil can replace Mata. If you see the way we play against everton & derby, then Ozil fits our team. He is better than Mata. If Mata still in the team, he can be squad player for us.
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I said we could play him there but that would would be shoehorning him in, it's not his position and there are more dynamic options that are actually suited to the role.
 
Biggest concern is, if we do get Ozil, we would be playing Pogba in a midfield duo. We all saw what he can do when played in a midfield three.
 
SwSw said:
Biggest concern is, if we do get Ozil, we would be playing Pogba in a midfield duo. We all saw what he can do when played in a midfield three.
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Ozil wouldn’t be a lock to play every game. He’s of top quality but similarly to Mata/Mikhi has consistency issues. Not to mention Ozil can play RW as well if/when need be and come off the bench as a first sub whenever he’s not selected as first choice.
 
VancouverUtdFan said:
Ozil wouldn’t be a lock to play every game. He’s of top quality but similarly to Mata/Mikhi has consistency issues. Not to mention Ozil can play RW as well if/when need be and come off the bench as a first sub whenever he’s not selected as first choice.
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Yeah, i do know he can play RW and i hope we play him at the right in a 433. The team should be built around Pogba.
 
If it means we're gonna be tied to a 4-2-3-1 and push Pogba back into a holding role then I'll pass. We spent a big fee on Pogba, we should build around him. He's not really a CM so he wouldn't thrive in a 3 man midfield and he isn't a winger so I don't think he would be good shoehorned out wide as much as Mourinho loves putting anyone but wingers on the wings. We'd be better served with a new CM who can play in a 3 that compliments both Matic and Pogba.
 
Can't Ozil play the RF role the likes of Mata, Lingard and Mikhi played when Mourinho applied 4-3-3, cutting inside and all that ? I think he also played like this in Arsenal's 3-5-2 with Sanchez and Lacazette.

If he's free in summer I'll sign him no matter what. It's a no brainer for me.
 
Devil may care said:
With a front 3 we have Lukaku/Martial/Mata/Lingard/Rashford/Mkhi/Ibra, that is 7 players for 3 spots, Ibra and Mkhi will likely be off and one attacker will come in to make 6 for the the 3 front roles, Ozil would be the forward whether he plays as the RWF or a #10.
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I know everyone thinks United will play 4-3-3 in every game forever more at the moment but there will be plenty of occasions when it's Pogba in a midfield 2 with 4 forwards. With better forward players that will work better than it has in the past. Top teams really want 3 forwards on the bench so 7 is about right.

Even if they do play 4-3-3, Miki and Lingard can easily play in the midfield 3 like they did against Derby.

Say United signed Griezmann and Ozil and both Miki and Ibra left. I would expect something like Ozil, Griezmann, Martial and Lukaku in attack with Mata, Lingard and Rashford on the bench. That's not even taking injuries into account. You think that's too many forward players?
 
SwSw said:
Yeah, i do know he can play RW and i hope we play him at the right in a 433. The team should be built around Pogba.
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The team should be built around Pogba? For every game in every season? So what happens when he gets injured or suspended like this season? Drop lots of points because the whole attack depends on one player? You don't want to have any more attacking strings to your bow?
 
His best ever season came under Mourinho playing out wide. He can play there, he's just a better version of Mata.
 
I'm resigning over the fact that we'll sign him, early on, so that I have enough time to convince myself it's a great move.
 
Think this 35 million figure along with Bayern and PSG interest has been released to press by arsenal, they would want lemar and now Liverpool have the funds and space in squad for lemar, arsenal would want to compete atleast for him. This is them trying to raise funds for him. i think we should try to get him for 20 odd million at max at this stage as he can be registered in champions league(1 ammendment is okay as he wasnt in same competition?).
I would think the club would offer him a bigger signing on fee if he were to come in summer. Lets see how this pans out.
 
Judas said:
Ozil has played out wide and done great countless times I don't get how it's an issue being discussed. Surely people have watched football?
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Womp said:
His best ever season came under Mourinho playing out wide. He can play there, he's just a better version of Mata.
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This . His most productive seasons have come on the right, He will be an upgrade on Mkhi and Mata and for a smallish price in comparison to the quality available. It would be a great signing.
----Matic-----Jorginho---Pogba---
----Ozil------Lukaku------Martial

That looks a great creative team. Jorginho would be perfect for midfield too, if we cant get him, then Herrera will have to make do.
 
Don’t see the point in signing players who’ve had their day. A dull signing if it does happen.
 
RedCoffee said:
Don’t see the point in signing players who’ve had their day. A dull signing if it does happen.
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TBF I had a similar feeling, but he's showing this season he's still got it, he's been extremely good. Not to add it'd be quite a cheap transfer/free.
 
Yes. No we we are willing to pay £35m for a player that has 6 months left at age 29.
 
Adisa said:
Yes. No we we are willing to pay £35m for a player that has 6 months left at age 29.
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Zidane went to Madrid at 29 for 40 odd million. Ozil could add something and play for a good few years yet. He'd also add a strong mentality to the group
 
Are we becoming post-retirement refuge for players who had spurned United in their prime?
 
POF said:
The team should be built around Pogba? For every game in every season? So what happens when he gets injured or suspended like this season? Drop lots of points because the whole attack depends on one player? You don't want to have any more attacking strings to your bow?
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Lol. Jesus Christ.

Building a team around a player doesn't equate to not having a back up plan when said player goes injured or gets suspended.

RM's team was built around Ronaldo.

FYI, i'm a big fan of Ozil and i hope we get him. However, I do not wish future signings to compromise Pogba's position on the pitch because he can play in a midfield duo. Lesser teams, sure we can take the risk but i hope is a trio for big games.
 
Pay for him now, if we wait for a wage bidding war in the summer then he isn’t joining. On the other hand Arsenal are not selling him this month. They would rather let him go for free and get the best out of him for the rest of the season. So go big and see what happens. He’s a fantastic player despite all the criticism he gets, some of it unfairly. He WILL change how we go forward.
 
SwSw said:
Lol. Jesus Christ.

Building a team around a player doesn't equate to not having a back up plan when said player goes injured or gets suspended.

RM's team was built around Ronaldo.

FYI, i'm a big fan of Ozil and i hope we get him. However, I do not wish future signings to compromise Pogba's position on the pitch because he can play in a midfield duo. Lesser teams, sure we can take the risk but i hope is a trio for big games.
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Of course it doesn't, but not signing a top class attacking player because it might mean Pogba doesn't always play in a midfield 3 means your back up plan is going to be crap.

Your last paragraph is what I don't understand. Yes, Pogba can be effective in a midfield 3 with more licence to roam. He can also be rubbish in that position and at the start of the season, the Pogba/Matic midfield duo looked outstanding.

Is it not better to also have a top class number 10 and good options in midfield so Pogba could play either role when the situation requires? Or if he's not playing well in a creative sense he can still play a deeper role, yet the team has others who can be the creative spark?

The main reason United struggled so badly when Pogba was out this season is that it coincided with Mkhitaryan's dip in form. They had no creativity in the side. Being so reliant on one player for creativity doesn't help Pogba or any other player, irrespective of what formation the team plays.
 
izec said:
Quote saved for next season. Sanchez will always be the better player and we will find out in a year who was the better buy
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That's just simply untrue. I'd say last season, in 2014/2015 and perhaps in 2013/14 were the only seasons we can all agree that Sanchez was actually superior to Ozil. Every other season and especailly the seasons when Ozil was in Madrid and Werder Bremen, Ozil has been far superior for the most part.
The fact that Ozil has had about 6/7 incredible seasons to Sanchez's 2/3 shows that Ozil has historically been the more consistent player. Sanchez peaked last season and given that his game is more dependent on his pace, rather than technical ability, I'd expect his level to drop sooner than Ozil's.
izec said:
Sure, but that was a long time ago. Sanchez is now the better player and will stay better.
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That's also questionable, as arguably Ozil has been more influential this season.
 
King.of.Red said:
Ozil can replace Mata. If you see the way we play against everton & derby, then Ozil fits our team. He is better than Mata. If Mata still in the team, he can be squad player for us.
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Even when he plays wide, he plays on the left, Mata plays on the right. Ozil is not going to be Mata's replacement. If anything he is going to be taking up the attacking midfield spot Jose tried hard to get Mkhitaryan to play in.
 
POF said:
I know everyone thinks United will play 4-3-3 in every game forever more at the moment but there will be plenty of occasions when it's Pogba in a midfield 2 with 4 forwards. With better forward players that will work better than it has in the past. Top teams really want 3 forwards on the bench so 7 is about right.

Even if they do play 4-3-3, Miki and Lingard can easily play in the midfield 3 like they did against Derby.

Say United signed Griezmann and Ozil and both Miki and Ibra left. I would expect something like Ozil, Griezmann, Martial and Lukaku in attack with Mata, Lingard and Rashford on the bench. That's not even taking injuries into account. You think that's too many forward players?
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I already mentioned in another post about the occassions where the team would slip into a 4-2-3-1, if we are chasing a game, kinda like how Spurs pushed Eriksen into a midfield 2 the other night when they were chasing a goal, but primarily Pogba should be counted as one of the 7 attacking options.

The best case scenario is Ozil will play as a RWF which is still kinda defeating the purpose as he doesn't score enough goals to be in a front 3 and we could get a more dynamic player for that role.
 
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