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ValenciaRocks said:
I’d just like to mention Mata here.

Why on earth is Mata so underrated? I honestly think he has been one of our best players this season. He rarely looses the ball and he has chipped in with some goals and assists too. If we got Ozil, I genuinely believe that he’d do a job no better than a player we already have.
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Because we have no attacking outlet on the right when he plays, señor back-pass/cut-in constantly kills our counter-attacks and keeps choosing the easy option. You should also take a good look at his stats, which are really awful for an attacking player. He's never reached his Chelsea heights and I think LVG ruined him.

Ozil on the other hand is deadly on the counter, always looking to create and always positive going forward. Also a lot quicker, and surely a bit stronger. Daylight between the two.
 
ValenciaRocks said:
I’d just like to mention Mata here.

Why on earth is Mata so underrated? I honestly think he has been one of our best players this season. He rarely looses the ball and he has chipped in with some goals and assists too. If we got Ozil, I genuinely believe that he’d do a job no better than a player we already have.
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I think he's actually overrated because he's such a loveable guy.

Technically brilliant and probably the guy you'd trust most to make a clutch decision/finish but physically he really struggles in every area - Especially with carrying the ball or giving players problems with his movement (which is in itself pretty good). He's also takes very few risks with his play which is pretty sad for a player with his ability.

Impossible to dislike - But I think he's been slightly underwhelming giving what we invested in him.
 
ValenciaRocks said:
I’d just like to mention Mata here.

Why on earth is Mata so underrated? I honestly think he has been one of our best players this season. He rarely looses the ball and he has chipped in with some goals and assists too. If we got Ozil, I genuinely believe that he’d do a job no better than a player we already have.
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Mata in the centre loses the ball quite often. The reason he is shifted out wide is because you are not pressed as often and your man on the other team is less physical and smaller (the opposing fullback).
 
I think there aren't many forums on the internet where you would have a 67-site long discussion whether you should sign a world cup winner (with the most assists over the last five years) for FREE!?

Absolut no brainer...if it doesn't work out, just get rid of him.
 
I’m one of those that thinks Lingard is on the cusp of translating all of that excellence at youth/reserve level into consistent excellence at senior level. Assuming I’m right, can they both play effectively together in the same set up considering Jesse looks at home in that central attacking role (dare I say no.10...?)? Would one or t’other suffer by having to play a less favored position...?
 
Striker10 said:
Zidane went to Madrid at 29 for 40 odd million. Ozil could add something and play for a good few years yet. He'd also add a strong mentality to the group
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Ozil is the type of player who could play at a very high level well into his late 30's. His game is not about athleticism, it's about vision and technique, and that isn't what you lose as you age. Vision gets better as you get older, until you get so old you literally go blind! Technique also does not fall off.

So long as he keeps himself fit, he could be be fundamentally the same guy at 37 as he is at 29.
 
Nucks said:
Ozil is the type of player who could play at a very high level well into his late 30's. His game is not about athleticism, it's about vision and technique, and that isn't what you lose as you age. Vision gets better as you get older, until you get so old you literally go blind! Technique also does not fall off.

So long as he keeps himself fit, he could be be fundamentally the same guy at 37 as he is at 29.
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This, 100%.

Ozil's the type of player who could easily get better in his 30s and drop a little deeper, as long as he had a strong team around him.

We've just spent 2 seasons giving a CF in his late 30s a crucial squad place and elite level wages - so I think a 29 year old Ozil should be fine.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
This, 100%.

Ozil's the type of player who could easily get better in his 30s and drop a little deeper, as long as he had a strong team around him.

We've just spent 2 seasons giving a CF in his late 30s a crucial squad place and elite level wages - so I think a 29 year old Ozil should be fine.
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Late 30s? Looks can be deceiving..
 
The fact that he tends to go missing quite a bit would be less damaging in a better team. As when he's off the boil for a while then there will be higher amounts of team victories more talented players to take the heat off.

I wouldn't be against taking Andreas back until the summer and getting Ozil on a free then but if that's too risky with PSG and Bayern lurking then grab him now. He'd easily be worth 30 million fee with a good 4 or 5 seasons left in him.
 
Irish Jet said:
I think he's actually overrated because he's such a loveable guy.

Technically brilliant and probably the guy you'd trust most to make a clutch decision/finish but physically he really struggles in every area - Especially with carrying the ball or giving players problems with his movement (which is in itself pretty good). He's also takes very few risks with his play which is pretty sad for a player with his ability.

Impossible to dislike - But I think he's been slightly underwhelming giving what we invested in him.
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I think Ozils stats are going to be superior to Matas beacsue of the system he plays in. Put Mata in that arsenal squad and he'd produce similar stats to the German imo.

I guess what I'm saying is that we don't need a player such as Ozil. We need a pacey winger who can dribble and cross a ball. We need our number 7 back!
 
I'm just saying, Ozil isn't the kind of guy who will fall off cause he can't sprint fast or jump high, cause he's never sprinted fast, or jumped high! His game has always been about reading movement, positions, players (vision), and then delivering silky balls to people through technique.

That's not something that tends to decline with age, typically it improves. The breaking point is when a guy deteriorates so far that the component of his game that depends on athleticism is gone. Think of it like a teeter-totter. Some players are weighted heavily into athleticism, some into technique and intangibles, and some are pretty balanced. Ozil has always been weighted heavily towards technique and intangibles, not athleticism. Guys like that tend to have longer careers at a high level, IF, they can keep their baseline fitness at acceptable levels.
 
I noticed something interesting on Paddy Power, we are 11/10 to sign Perisic and he's 4/5 to stay at inter. That's almost a 50% chance of signing him in January according to the bookmakers, I didn't hear anything about him coming in January tho? Bizarre.
 
Kinsella said:
I wouldn't move him into a holding role either.

I was just challenging your general assertion that a team should be built around him. He's good, but he's not that good.
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Revisionism ;)

Agnelli ( Juventus President ) : Pogba is our superhero
https://www.vivaronews.com/juventus-president-andrea-agnelli-paul-pogba-is-their-superhero

Chiellini :We miss Pogba, he was our LeBron James
http://www.espn.com/soccer/juventus...and-usain-bolt-for-juventus-giorgio-chiellini

Buffon : Pogba was one of the leaders at Juventus
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/paul-pogba-leader-gianluigi-buffon-8745976

Juventus built the team around him and they were better than us at that time. When Pirlo and Vidal left, he played higher on the pitch and made 15 assists and 10 goals ( 12 assists and 8 goals in Serie A ), his career-high in the most defensive league in the world...he was 22-23 for his first season as AM ( mix of LM and AM position to be honest ) and he was average until november because this role and pressure were new to him.;)

They played in a 352 with him, they kept this formation when he left until january then they moved in a 4231 because without Pogba, this system wasn't that good for them. The 4231 was better to get the best out of Dybala.

He also wore the number 10, a legendary number for them more important than the #7 for us.

Pogba is that good. He isn't Messi or CR7 but he's better than Ozil.
 
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If we are actually interested in him and considering trying to bring him in this month then I think we'll need to get a move on, it seems like City may be trying to push through a deal for Sanchez and I can't imagine Arsenal letting both of them go in Jan, unless they're desperate to get some sort of money for the pair of them that is.
 
David Silva is 2 years older and running circles around everyone. Same type of player, that relies on intelligence rather than physicality. Michael Carrick was a sublime player in his late twenties and early thirties. Matic was supposed to be finished; yet he has been run into the ground by the manager and still puts in good performances.

This team is lacking experience going forward, there is an immaturity in our decision making going forward.
 
2plus2is4 said:
I think there aren't many forums on the internet where you would have a 67-site long discussion whether you should sign a world cup winner (with the most assists over the last five years) for FREE!?

Absolut no brainer...if it doesn't work out, just get rid of him.
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When he comes in on £350k a week, that may be easier said than done though!
 
redom said:
If we are actually interested in him and considering trying to bring him in this month then I think we'll need to get a move on, it seems like City may be trying to push through a deal for Sanchez and I can't imagine Arsenal letting both of them go in Jan, unless they're desperate to get some sort of money for the pair of them that is.
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Sanchez seems to be more of an agitator for his move, whereas Ozil has played a good hand, in that he's playing a similar game of no intention of signing a new deal, but escaping the fans' ire.
 
Even if we're interested and he isn't signing a new contract, we won't spend £30m+ on a player that we could get for free in 6 months time.
 
Ramshock said:
I remember Fergie was supposedly at a Werder Bremen game and was supposed to be scouting Ozil but it ended up he was just scouting Schalke before a CL match. Fergie was never interested in him.
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I also remember that Fergie was asked if he was interested in Ozil and he replied 'a lot of people are interested in Ozil' and very soon after he joined Madrid.

I think Ozil wanted to join United over Arsenal when he left Madrid but united weren't interested at that point.
 
Devil may care said:
Yes, I see him as an offensive player like Erisken, I think we'd see just how good he is if we weren't constantly chopping and changing him, I don't think he'll ever be a great CM in the mold of true CM's as the restrictions of the role dilute much of what makes him special anyway, it would be like trying to make Gerrard a pure CM, Benitez saw this and gave him the freedom ahead of the Alonso and Mascherano base, same as Juve saw this with Pogba and had Pirlo and Vidal as the bosses in that midfield where Pogba was the maverick, as this isn't just about offense either, Matic looks knackered already as there's so much work to do when playing with Pogba in a midfield 2.

To me we should never have bought him if the plan was to try and change him rather than building to maximize what we were paying £89M for, PSG haven't paid the money they have for Neymar and then tried to force him into a target man #9 role and I doubt Barca are about to try and make Coutino into a #6 after shelling out huge on him, we got what we paid for with Pogba, we should use him as that rather than trying to alter him so we can shoehorn a #10 in IMO.
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Pogba was a young player at Juve who came into a side that already had the likes of Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal. Did they play him in a more advanced position because that is his best role or was it because it was his best role in their team?

That Juve team play a very different style to this United side and their most creative player played deep in midfield. Saying Pogba should play the same role for United is not relevant because the make up of the two teams and the two midfields is completely different.

I think Pogba is far better suited to a deeper role than someone like Eriksen. He thrives in space which is why the advanced role against teams who open up suits him. But he can take too many touches so struggles when it gets congested in advanced areas. Eriksen is excellent at finding space between the lines and moving the ball quickly.

His ceiling as a central midfield player is incredible. He has the power and athleticism of Vieira but with a far better creative game. He is the ideal midfield leader.

I think United absolutely signed Pogba for all that money to play central midfield. Herrera, Scheiderlin, Fellaini and Schweinsteiger is £100m worth of talent that has failed to make the position their own. Pogba was great value compared to that.

He was also signed as the new face of the club, the marketers dream, the one that will drive the culture and become club captain as a former youth product and will be an ongoing reminder that United are always keen to use their academy players. There is far more to the Pogba signing than his performance and position on the pitch.

SwSw said:
First of all, i did not say we should pass up the chance to sign a top class attacking player. Second of all, even if we were to sign one, it should be one that fits our team. I do not wish us to be a Perez run club. (the first time).

I've yet to see him being rubbish in that position. But if that day comes, is good to know we have players who can step up too. And i'm not saying we should always play a three in the middle. I'm saying we should only do so for big games since: 1. the top teams mostly play with a three, 2. Pogba's defensive game isn't exactly top notch and 3. No point getting out man in the center.

Again, when i say building the team around Pogba, i'm not saying he should be the ONLY source of attacking impetus. I welcome Ozil but i do not want new signings to mess with our current team. New players have to improve the team and not hinder what we have right now.
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What team? The one that played 4-3-3 for the last 2 games? How about the one that played 4-2-3-1 at the start of the season and won multiple games 4-0 with Pogba and Matic outstanding as a midfield 2?
 
GaryLifo said:
I also remember that Fergie was asked if he was interested in Ozil and he replied 'a lot of people are interested in Ozil' and very soon after he joined Madrid.

I think Ozil wanted to join United over Arsenal when he left Madrid but united weren't interested at that point.
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Fake news!
Ozil wanted to join arsenal, because of wenger as he had been in regular contact with Arsene during his stay at Real madrid. He had promised wenger if it came to leaving, he will give arsenal the first choice.
 
POF said:
What team? The one that played 4-3-3 for the last 2 games? How about the one that played 4-2-3-1 at the start of the season and won multiple games 4-0 with Pogba and Matic outstanding as a midfield 2?
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Both. We are a much more solid team with 3 in the center. You can't possibly argue that.

We played Pogba in a 2 to accomodate Mkhi and/or Mata. Would you rather have a solid trio and liberate Pogba or have Pogba stuck in the center in a 2 and watch Mkhi's dire performances and Mata's occasional good work?

If Ozil comes, he plays on the RW for big games (i hope). Going to big games with 2 in the center is risky.
 
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I assume that the people wanting us to buy Ozil (a classic "number 10") are a different set of people wanting us to play Pogba in as an attacking role in a midfield three? Ozil means Pogba in the pivot in a 4231 most likely
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I assume that the people wanting us to buy Ozil (a classic "number 10") are a different set of people wanting us to play Pogba in as an attacking role in a midfield three? Ozil means Pogba in the pivot in a 4231 most likely
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Dare I say we have the best of both worlds? Jesus Christ, people acting like you got 1 formation to choose from.

Ozil himself is just as capable of #10 as he is RW. Pogba is capable of playing in a mid2 or 3. Whatever formation José thinks is best suited to get us a result, having world class players like this makes things easy as they’re able to adapt and aren’t fixated on 1 position allowing the team to mix and match.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I assume that the people wanting us to buy Ozil (a classic "number 10") are a different set of people wanting us to play Pogba in as an attacking role in a midfield three? Ozil means Pogba in the pivot in a 4231 most likely
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Ozil played at the RW position for Mourinho when they were at RM.
 
SwSw said:
Both. We are a much more solid team with 3 in the center. You can't possibly argue that.

We played Pogba to accomodate Mkhi and Mata. Would you rather have a solid trio and liberate Pogba or have Pogba stuck in the center in a 2 and watch Mkhi's dire performances and Mata's occasional good work?

If Ozil comes, he plays on the RW for big games (i hope). Going to big games with 2 in the center is risky.
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More solid with a 3 for sure but there is far more attacking potential with a 4-2-3-1, especially if the club can add more attacking quality. For a top club like United, victory in the majority of games is dependent on breaking down a packed defence.

The effectiveness of the 4-2-3-1 has been reduced due to the poor form (or quality) of United's forwards. It's going to take years to build a top class attack at United considering the attack Jose inherited in an era where prices are so high it's not economically possible to buy more than one top class forward per window. But, when they do, Pogba in midfield behind 4 quality attackers could be devastating.

Pogba/Matic may not be a watertight midfield defensively but it is a far better defensive unit than Keane/Scholes and that team did ok.
 
Jamie Jackson latest tweet says ozil not being considered by united. Personally not too upset by that
 
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