Well, didn't see anywhere that Utd were interested before he signed for Arsenal, we went for Fellaini and the rest crap that we paid dearly over the past few years.
I would love to have Ozil,even for a couple years, he is a world class 10.
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Well, didn't see anywhere that Utd were interested before he signed for Arsenal, we went for Fellaini and the rest crap that we paid dearly over the past few years.
I would love to have Ozil,even for a couple years, he is a world class 10.
Playing for Arsenal doesn't help him I don't think. They're a good footballing side but all of their attackers want to do what Ozil does, only not as good. At united he'd be the man in the final third that pulls the strings, as he is for Germany still from the games I've seen.
I disagree, mainly because I think he is wasted there. Do you see him as offensive a player as Eriksen (who really is a forward)?
Pogba is and could potentially be a very good attacking player but in my opinion he could be one of the best central midfield players to ever play the game.
The way Germany play and the way United plays are two different pair of shoes. The younger Ozil was more suited to us, he had a nice burst of pace and was more flamboyant. This version defines himself much more through passing and relies more on movement, which we often lack. I dont see the fuss, not the big improvement people are suggesting here
Mourinho played a 4231 at Madrid and Ozil started almost every game in the No.10 position. I can only remember him playing wide in the big games.
Fergie went to watch him in a friendly vs Fulham before he moved to Madrid. Supposedly also why Rooney the a wobbly and questioned the clubs intent with transfers as he really wanted Ozil to join then. He went for something like 12-18 mil. I don’t know if there was ever an offer in for him but there was intrest. Saying that, I think Smalling was still playing for Fulham at the time.
As for Ozil, he wouldn’t be my first choice, But if it’s for buttons and we can’t get the likes of a Dybala then sure. Will be intresting to see where he would play and how. Probably reinforce jose’s want to be 4231.
Who would ever have thought that we could have Miki,Mata and Ozil in our team and people would be extactic about it.
I couldn't hate this link more if I tried.
Going to your first point, it it was you, would you prefer to come to us or enjoy the luxury and sun of Madrid? When Barcelona or Madrid are involved, unfortunately for us, history does not matter, unless the money involved are superior to the ones offered by the said teams.
Yes, I see him as an offensive player like Erisken, I think we'd see just how good he is if we weren't constantly chopping and changing him, I don't think he'll ever be a great CM in the mold of true CM's as the restrictions of the role dilute much of what makes him special anyway, it would be like trying to make Gerrard a pure CM, Benitez saw this and gave him the freedom ahead of the Alonso and Mascherano base, same as Juve saw this with Pogba and had Pirlo and Vidal as the bosses in that midfield where Pogba was the maverick, as this isn't just about offense either, Matic looks knackered already as there's so much work to do when playing with Pogba in a midfield 2.
To me we should never have bought him if the plan was to try and change him rather than building to maximize what we were paying £89M for, PSG haven't paid the money they have for Neymar and then tried to force him into a target man #9 role and I doubt Barca are about to try and make Coutino into a #6 after shelling out huge on him, we got what we paid for with Pogba, we should use him as that rather than trying to alter him so we can shoehorn a #10 in IMO.
Well me i’d Choose Manchester United but that’s a supporter bias. If say I had the choice of buying a house in Manchester or Barcelona or Madrid then i’d Choose Spain.
I think it’s something Fergie always mentioned. We are in a position where we can compete with any club financially and historically but our global positioning hampers the attractiveness of the club. London has more pull than Manchester.
Correct, that is the other worry, if Jose plans this same strategy here then people can forget about the Jorginho's and Savic's they want, the CM Jose used there and at Chelsea when he used the same tactics of 4-2-3-1 against the easier teams and 4-3-3 in the handful of big games, means the 3rd CM is a guy like Diarra, Pepe, Mikel or Ramires, not a top class option, essentially what we are already doing with Fellaini and Herrera.
I have lived in Machester for a number of years, and I can tell you what, that is when I hated rain.
You can never build a team around a midfielder, no matter how good he is. Teams are built around forwards and #10s. Pogba needs to adapt and have more to his game than just being shoe-horned into one formation.
Think we need to put the price tag behind us. We cannot prise Pogba from Juve for less, so we paid for him as we needed him badly. Now we just need to buy some world class forwards.
He's not really a true midfielder though, people just judge him on his size. Liverpool built around Gerrard as the same kind of free roaming AM, if we continue with the 4-2-3-1 Pogba will conintue to be less than he can be and the team will continue to have issues structurally.
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At the moment, yes. But I think we'll look to be more effective on the counter attack and will add width and hopefully better movement to our forward line this summer.
Why have a 10 who can play out wide when you could just buy an actual right winger? We don't have anyone who can play the right wing properly. If Ozil signs for us and plays on the right wing I imagine it will be how Mata does, drifting inwards and making some passes here or there. There is no attacking threat from our right side at all. We need someone who can carry the ball at pace, isolate fullbacks and beat them one-on-one, get crosses in, and Ozil does not fit that bill at all. He's a fine player but I'm sick of seeing 10's and strikers shoehorned on the wing and we'd be better served with a proper winger if the plan is to play him there.
On a free for two years with an option for 3, yes. We should also really be trying for goretzka on a free and then splash on dybala. That would be great business.
Even if it's not Ozil we wont buy a winger circa 1987 IMO, it will be an inverted attacker like almost every other team uses, it's at RB where we'll add the kind of player you describe, but likely not until 2019, I'd expect Tony and Young to share that role next season.
Going to Bayern according to Kicker. Seems like the usual case, don't think that we can't compete with them for young German talents.
Don't understand what the fuss about formations is
he's played at 10 quite a bit but I've seen him play extremely well on the right of a front 3 and as a Right AM
he would give us a bit of flexibility and he's the kind of player we need perhaps in some games
we've struggled to unlock defences and a midfield of
------------------Pogba-------Matic-----------------
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or
---------------------------Matic-------------------------
--------------------Ozil------------Pogba------------
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----------------------midfield 3----------------------
Ozil----------------Lukaku---------------martial
our bench lately has looked light in terms of quality- if we are happy to pay a fading Zlatan this season we'd really benefit fr on Ozil who still has lots to offer - saw a stat earlier that no one had created more chances in the top 5 leagues last year
make it happen
he's played at 10 quite a bit but I've seen him play extremely well on the right of a front 3 and as a Right AM
he would give us a bit of flexibility and he's the kind of player we need perhaps in some games
we've struggled to unlock defences and a midfield of
------------------Pogba-------Matic-----------------
----------------------------Ozil---------------------------
or
---------------------------Matic-------------------------
--------------------Ozil------------Pogba------------
or
----------------------midfield 3----------------------
Ozil----------------Lukaku---------------martial
our bench lately has looked light in terms of quality- if we are happy to pay a fading Zlatan this season we'd really benefit fr on Ozil who still has lots to offer - saw a stat earlier that no one had created more chances in the top 5 leagues last year
make it happen
First of all, i did not say we should pass up the chance to sign a top class attacking player. Second of all, even if we were to sign one, it should be one that fits our team. I do not wish us to be a Perez run club. (the first time).
I've yet to see him being rubbish in that position. But if that day comes, is good to know we have players who can step up too. And i'm not saying we should always play a three in the middle. I'm saying we should only do so for big games since: 1. the top teams mostly play with a three, 2. Pogba's defensive game isn't exactly top notch and 3. No point getting out man in the center.
Again, when i say building the team around Pogba, i'm not saying he should be the ONLY source of attacking impetus. I welcome Ozil but i do not want new signings to mess with our current team. New players have to improve the team and not hinder what we have right now.
Buy Ozil, sub him in the big games. Done.
I agree, things I've stated are the role of the modern fullback so you don't need that out-and-out winger much if you have great offensive fullbacks. But Ozil isn't even an inverted attacker or wide forward in the mould of a Robben type player. We need a proper presence on right and even if we sign a great offensive RB we need to pair them with more than a 10 with no pace floating inside and playing one-two's. Mahrez would be such a great fit but evidently we prefer playing anyone but wingers on the wings.
I agree in principal, I am not keen on Ozil being our addition there either, but if we have to sign him I'd prefer it to using him as a #10 as I don't see this side ever winning the big 2 trophies while chopping and changing Pogba instead of using a 4-3-3 as our base formation.
our current team, quite clearly isn't good enough
Ozil would have to be utter pish to be as ineffective as Mhiki and Mata has only been good in spells
As talented as Pogba may be, he's not a 'build the team around him' kind of talent.
But why spend 90m on a creative force like Pogba to force him into a holding role?
Think if he came we'd play something like:
De gea
Valencia Bailly Jones Shaw
Matic
Ozil Pogba
Lingard Lukaku Martial
With lingard and Ozil rotating with each other, martial pushing in to be like a 2nd striker. Mata to rotate in every now and then, and Mkhitaryan pretty much done.Valencia Bailly Jones Shaw
Matic
Ozil Pogba
Lingard Lukaku Martial
I wouldn't move him into a holding role either.
I was just challenging your general assertion that a team should be built around him. He's good, but he's not that good.
Agree
If I remember correctly ozil was the reason fergie and Rooney fell out when Rooney wanted him and fergie didn't
Why cant we play 4-3-3 some games and 4-2-3-1 in others. Play lingard some games, sometimes Ozil. Sometimes play Ozil as a 10 sometimes on the right.
Ozil free?
Absofuc kinglutely
Absofuc kinglutely
Are there any concrete details that this is happening?
He does not play a holding role under Mourinho. Mourinho plays one holding midfielder, one box to box midfielder, one attacking midfield/no.10. Pogba will always have to defend under any top manager; because midfielders do not get a pass doing the pressing and covering space in top teams.
It's quite clear that for most of our games Matic is the one that must hold his position, while Pogba is given freedom to move up the pitch to link with the forwards. Give him an Attacking midfielder to play with through the middle and he will be much more effective.
Lucas Moura, for one. There was some talk about Sanchez too.
To be fair, I do think we will see that next season. Maybe try Pogba as a left sided centre midfielder, though, instead of on the right.
Lukaku
Martial Ozil Right Mid
Pogba Matic
Then in tougher games
Martial Lukaku Ozil
Pogba Matic Centre Mid
Maybe it's just not true? Anyway I thought I had overlooked someone.
good luck with that
I’d just like to mention Mata here.
Why on earth is Mata so underrated? I honestly think he has been one of our best players this season. He rarely looses the ball and he has chipped in with some goals and assists too. If we got Ozil, I genuinely believe that he’d do a job no better than a player we already have.
Why on earth is Mata so underrated? I honestly think he has been one of our best players this season. He rarely looses the ball and he has chipped in with some goals and assists too. If we got Ozil, I genuinely believe that he’d do a job no better than a player we already have.
He lost the ball a million times when we lost to Huddersfield, and one of those times led to one of their goals.
If you don't think Ozil could improve us, bless you.
If you don't think Ozil could improve us, bless you.
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