Would hate this to happen.
Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k
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I agree but, in my opinion, he's a good playmaker, too. It's just that he likes getting in the box and scoring more than your average playmaker but he will come deep. Plus, with already have Pogba, Mata, Mkhi, we don't necessarily need another pure playmaker - it's just a bonus that he has that in his locker. Another goalscorer added to the team is crucial for me.
You just described a SS.
And France international, Griezmann is the better one, and arguably a more bargain in case the release clause pricing is true. Lyon is a tough negotiator so they would get good fee for Fekir just as they did for Lascazette. It's WC and if the early closing window rule be passed, paying release clause for Griezmann is easier than negotiating and agreeing a deal with Lyon given Lyon would have all the tool at the negotiation table.
A number 10 is Zidane, Ozil, Sneijder, Pastore...
Tevez and Rooney aren't number 10..same thing for Dybala, Griezmann, Fekir...
And Fekir isn't good enough to be starter for Manchester United
Even if he paid to play every week I wouldn't want the lazy cnut.
At his best, he's probably better than Mata/Mkhi. However, even when those two aren't playing well, they'll give you an honest day's work.
This guy would leave you in the trenches.
This guy would leave you in the trenches.
I meant we'd have to agree to disagree about the "not being good enough for United" part.
Personally, I'm not completely sold on Griezmann, and I'm not bothered how much we spend on Fekir (hypothetically) because I'm such a fan!
Yeah, but I meant that they take up the #10 position just behind the striker and in front of the midfield. Fekir's always behind Mariano when out of possession helping out the midfield but, when they have the ball, he rotates between pushing up alongside him and coming deep to help the build-up.
I remember van Persie in an interview described his partnership with Rooney as them both being 9 and a halfs which fits better.
I desperately wanted us to sign him after watching him at the U21s all those years ago; I still wanted us to sign him when Real decided to get rid of him; but now? After watching him for Arsenal... I’m not keen anymore.
But if Jose wants him and still believes in him, then I will trust his judgment and hope for the best
But if Jose wants him and still believes in him, then I will trust his judgment and hope for the best
I am not sold on Ozil either, but being free is tempting. He can be used as flat track bully in smaller games and Mourinho can just use his lack of workrate as excuse in big game to bench him & play midfield 3. We have that luxury being in better position than Arsenal. And if he is to play big game, that would keeping him on the edge knowing he would be benched if he neglect to work.
Edit: the smaller games would be like vs Soton which Mkhi was liability, just like some game last seasons. Ozil is more consistent in putting those smaller teams to the blade in compare to Mkhi even if both in worse form.
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Disappears way too often and he seems the type of player you need to build your team around which United wouldn't be able to do.
At the end of the day, if Mournho wants him, I'm happy for him to come.
I'm sure Mourinho won't sign him unless he believes Ozil is desperate to be here.
If he signs, big or small games, Mourinho will demand a high work ethic from him. Ozil probably knows the score as well.
I've said it before, Wenger indulges him.
We should focus on Griezmann and a pacy right winger. Ozil is a good player, but i don't think we need him.
If Jose thinks he can get him playing I wouldn't say no, but his stinking attitude under Arsene is a cause for concern.
Undoubtedly a great player, has very damaging flaws in his game and ultimately you would need to decide whether his upside is preferred to Mata or mhiki, it would be pointless to have all 3.
Agree. Share same view on Mourinho's plan is where the buck stops.
Just want to add to this post so it doesn't look like a pointless post of a poster just agreeing to another poster
: Ozil is one of the best crossers around. Not all playmaker are good crossers and it becomes rarer with time as more players behind the no 9 grow up try to score more (second forward). Ozil's crossing ability is definitely better than all of our players. Crossing feels like natural to him. Lukaku would appreciate this a lot. Still feel we underuse Lukaku with how poor and inconsistent our delivery is.
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You have described it perfectly
I'd take him just to piss Wenger off
The media have brain washed everyone to believe he isn't a good player. His stats are good and the only thing they can hit him with is his tracking back.
33 games last season and was involved in 17 goals scored or assisted (8 scored 9 assisted) not too bad in a under performing Arsenal side, compared with Dele Alli was involved in 25 goals, (18 scored 7 assisted) in 37 games, a side which was one of the best last year.
Would love Ozil here.
33 games last season and was involved in 17 goals scored or assisted (8 scored 9 assisted) not too bad in a under performing Arsenal side, compared with Dele Alli was involved in 25 goals, (18 scored 7 assisted) in 37 games, a side which was one of the best last year.
Would love Ozil here.
Would be an upgrade on ours players but very similar to Mata and Mykytarin when I'd prefer maybe more faster aggressive players there behind Lukaku like a Griezmann or Bale. But for the price very interesting.
Is Arsenal the only team where he's exhibited the laziness that everyone describes? Or has it been with him his whole career?
Happened at Real under Mou too, he was taken off a lot, similar to Mata. I dunno what he was like at Werder Bremen or Schalke.
I'm going to have to check this, but I thought the criticisms of Özil at Madrid was that he ran himself into the ground and couldn't get through a game.
That might have been a more accurate description but I remember a lot of people being critical that he couldn't last 90 minutes. I think there was a stat floating around after his first season that he was the most substituted player in the league or thereabouts.
He has stamina issue and he is not strong player. Mourinho criticizism toward him is more about the intensity, just like with Mkhi last season, than about outright laziness. Intensity can be seen like this, going into the challenge but not retain ball possession. So again it's about physicality, stamina issue. At Arsenal, he can't be seen as not being arsed where the game just pass him by.
Want nothing to do with him.
I sometimes compare ozil , mata and david silva.it appears silva is more effective.
If he's available on a free, cant see how we wouldnt be in for him. As much of the "lazy cnut" label he has, his stats are really good.
- - - - - Lukaku - - - - -
Rashial - Özil - Griezmann
- - - Pogba - Matic - - -
Rashial - Özil - Griezmann
- - - Pogba - Matic - - -
I think his laziness is exaggerated. Never heard a word about it or saw anything myself before this season. I'd be lazy as feck too if I was playing in the current Arsenal side. It's not easy to put in a lot of effort when things are going as bad as they are for Arsenal right now. Remember Hazard at Chelsea in Mourinhos final season? Is Hazard a bad player because he was shite and similar to the current Özil that season? No. I'm absolutely sure Özil will do his absolute best if he gets a move to one of his preferred clubs.
He played in a German world cup winning side and Mourinho's Real Madrid 100-goal starting 11. He's not some fly by night jabroni. And he got double figures in goals and assists last year in a shocking Arsenal side. If you get a chance to get a player like him on a free, you snap his hand off.
Huh?
- - - - - Lukaku - - - - -
Rashial - Özil - Griezmann
- - - Pogba - Matic - - -
One can dream.
Exactly. The arguments against him on here are high as bad as the ones that were against us getting Matic.
I can't believe he's only 28. Seems like he's been that age for about 5 years now.
Exactly. He gets shit on because a mediocre season for him is great for most other players. It'd be a free transfer (barring a signing on bonus which exists when players sign anyways and will still be less than the fee would have been). His salary demands wouldn't be insane. This is of course assuming there's space for him.
He would be great against lesser teams that needs opening up. Just bench him against top5. Easy.
But yeah, lets ser how Mkhi fares too. A little competition like Rashford vs Martial would do everyone good though.
But yeah, lets ser how Mkhi fares too. A little competition like Rashford vs Martial would do everyone good though.
If he turned up I'm sure he'd suddenly forget how to make those defense splitting passes he does. I was so excited about Mata and Mkhi being able to do that and yet I hardly ever see them manage it with us.
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