Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k

Do you want Ozil at Manchester United?

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With the recent announcement of Van Dijk signing for £75m, this is now going to have a knock on effect to the valuation every player in Europe.
Selling clubs will now be sticking another £10-15m onto the asking price.

In light of this, Ozil on a free transfer in the Summer, or a cut price deal in January, really is more than ever, a deal not to be sniffed at.
The alternatives that we might have been considering are going to be in the £85-£100m bracket...!!
 
Yet again Pogba is turned into some sort of quantum puzzle that needs to be solved. Last season the experts on here said we were moving to midfield 3 so Pogba can play like at Juventus. The reality is that this is a different league with an improved player. It shows a clear lack of understanding to assume that Pogba needs more defensive discipline to play in a 2, do you think Mourinho would spend £90m on him when he wouldnt even be able to play in his preffered system? Not to mention the no.10 in his system must act as a midfielder off the ball so he shares the workload in midfield.

Imagine if instead of Mkhitaryan or Mata at no.10 we had Ozil. Think of every counter attack that Mkhitaryan killed off with poor decisions; think of every time Mata has space to run into only to stop and let the team get back.

If Pogba was fit all season and we had Ozil in the no.10 spot (who has been playing very well this season) we would be right on City's tails.
 
Cee90 said:
If true, that's a no brainer for me.

Ozil would be class at United.
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For that price, it doesn't matter if he doesn’t work out.

We just need someone who can play a nice ball, have good awareness around the box and just generally piece things together with a sense of control. Mkhi doesn’t have a clue, Rashford and Martial seem to bottle it a lot, Pogba’s not creating enough.
 
Do the deal now for free in the summer. He's not going to help us catch City anyway. Always good to give absolutely no cash for a top drawer player. Thats 20m we can put towards something else in the summer.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Do the deal now for free in the summer. He's not going to help us catch City anyway. Always good to give absolutely no cash for a top drawer player. Thats 20m we can put towards something else in the summer.
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Most of the money will go to the player and agent as a signing-on fee, surely.
 
I wanna see this happening, this window.

It's an obvious transfer, player and manager get on, we need him, we can pay him whatever he wants.

Don't wanna see any fecking about, just get it done asap and get him in.

Don't miss out on another class player that could easily be ours.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I wanna see this happening, this window.

It's an obvious transfer, player and manager get on, we need him, we can pay him whatever he wants.

Don't wanna see any fecking about, just get it done asap and get him in.

Don't miss out on another class player that could easily be ours.
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Personally, I'm not sure what part of our attacking problems he could solve. Yeah, Ozil can feed Lukaku with his, at times, brilliant vision, but that won't change how static we are and how we can't seem to keep the ball under proper pressure.
 
Wengerscoat said:
lol. KDB runs fast, is energetic, puts in a proper shift. Comparing him to a lazy arse like Ozil is an insult. United need battlers and people who dominate games. Ozil has never nor will ever do that.
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I didn’t mention his running or effort I’m talking about his assists and goals and as an Arsenal fan you should know there has been a lot, certainly assists. Pogba will no doubt be dominating games in the next few years and we would definitely be buying more players. Ozil on a free is a great get and I have watched Ozil long before he joined Arsenal so I know exactly what he is like and he would walk into this United team with ease.
 
diplomat said:
Personally, I'm not sure what part of our attacking problems he could solve. Yeah, Ozil can feed Lukaku with his, at times, brilliant vision, but that won't change how static we are and how we can't seem to keep the ball under proper pressure.
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Seriously?

Ozil is a class 10. We are 2nd in the league basically without a 10.

Our attacks constantly break down because...

1. There's no link between deep midfield and attack, so the out-ball becomes an aimless hoof. Ozil on the pitch would stop this. Ozil is the out-ball, and then looks to find the key pass (and very often does).

2. Mata/Mkhi can't decide what pass to play so do nothing, run into cul-de-sacs or make bad pass. Ozil doesn't do this. He's been in the PL for years and he doesn't do this.

Added to this is the key fact of keeping possession and not being countered on every attack.

Ozil would be an important addition to this Utd side, more important than most players we've signed since SAF retired.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Seriously?

Ozil is a class 10. We are 2nd in the league basically without a 10.

Our attacks constantly break down because...

1. There's no link between deep midfield and attack, so the out-ball becomes an aimless hoof. Ozil on the pitch would stop this. Ozil is the out-ball, and then looks to find the key pass (and very often does).

2. Mata/Mkhi can't decide what pass to play so do nothing, run into cul-de-sacs or make bad pass. Ozil doesn't do this. He's been in the PL for years and he doesn't do this.

Added to this is the key fact of keeping possession and not being countered on every attack.

Ozil would be an important addition to this Utd side, more important than most players we've signed since SAF retired.
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If we continue hoofing the ball upfield, none of these arguments about Ozil's ability to change our build-up play will be true. I hope you are correct in your assessment, but I'm still not convinced.
 
Nothing like having more 10's in the team so that they can pass to statue's
 
The idea that we're going to get Ozil for £20m in January has to be one of the most unlikely I can remember reading on here.

Didn't we pay about £16-18m for Young to a team who were no sort of rival or who'd we had zero beef with, with one year left on his deal, in the days that was still a fairly tidy figure!
 
Adnan said:
This..

We need a second midfielder to contribute more in the attacking third. Our goal threat from midfield needs to improve.
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I think Pogba would contribute more in the attacking 3rd if he wasn't saddled with being forced into a box to box role.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Seriously?

Ozil is a class 10. We are 2nd in the league basically without a 10.

Our attacks constantly break down because...

1. There's no link between deep midfield and attack, so the out-ball becomes an aimless hoof. Ozil on the pitch would stop this. Ozil is the out-ball, and then looks to find the key pass (and very often does).

2. Mata/Mkhi can't decide what pass to play so do nothing, run into cul-de-sacs or make bad pass. Ozil doesn't do this. He's been in the PL for years and he doesn't do this.

Added to this is the key fact of keeping possession and not being countered on every attack.

Ozil would be an important addition to this Utd side, more important than most players we've signed since SAF retired.
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None of this holds water unless he has movement around him. Lukaku isn't the most mobile and the rest don't excel in this dept either.
 
Devil may care said:
I think Pogba would contribute more in the attacking 3rd if he wasn't saddled with being forced into a box to box role.
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That's true, but I feel someone who is more box to box with a good passing range would be very beneficial especially against teams who sit back against us. But if we can get someone who can control the tempo from a deeper role, then that would be fantastic aswell.
 
I've changed my mind on this. He is, unbelievably, more consistent than Mkhitaryan and fundamentally less shit. One in and one out.

I don't want him if Mkhi doesn't go though. Both of them together will boil my blood with frustration.
 
Anyone who thinks a slow Mesut Ozil is the answer to our attacking problems needs their head checked.

Look at the pace City and Liverpool have compared to us. That’s what we’re lacking. That penetration and speed in the attack. City have it with Sterling/Jesus/Sane/Aguero/KDB and Liverpool have it with Mane/Salah/Coutinho/Firmino.

Our attackers are Lukaku/Martial/Lingard/Rashford/Mkhi/Mata.... none of those with the exception of Rashford are lightening fast like those rival attacking players. Not even close.

We had a similar player in Di Maria and we fecked it up by playing Ashley Young over him. Who could blame him for packing his bags?

That’s why I want to see Perisic and Dybala come in. And a right sided player like Mahrez, Willian or Zaha. We need that dynamite speed. That unorthodox winger.
 
Jaybomb said:
We had a similar player in Di Maria and we fecked it up by playing Ashley Young over him. Who could blame him for packing his bags?
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LVG fecked it up by signing Di Maria type of player to play possession football. Now we are dreaming to have a snake like Di Maria in the team, he would be one of the best players.
 
dove said:
LVG fecked it up by signing Di Maria type of player to play possession football. Now we are dreaming to have a snake like Di Maria in the team, he would be one of the best players.
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He was immense under Mourinho before and had some world class performances for us when he was here. It was a massive mistake to let him go.

We need somebody like him.
 
Jaybomb said:
He was immense under Mourinho before and had some world class performances for us when he was here. It was a massive mistake to let him go.

We need somebody like him.
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Exactly but we also need quality in the middle like Ozil who would see the runs and pass the ball at the right time. Now I feel half of our players are not arsed to make any runs because they know they won't get the ball anyway.
 
Judas said:
We have fast players, we don't have players with brains. We lack craft and creative spark, desperately.
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Agreed. Ozil would provide this. One of the posters mentioned City’s pace. They forgot one of their most important players, Silva. Proves that you don’t need blistering pace.
 
Jaybomb said:
He was immense under Mourinho before and had some world class performances for us when he was here. It was a massive mistake to let him go.

We need somebody like him.
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Never wanted to play for us, just problem was that PSG didnt have enough funds that year, so we were used as club between.
 
Yea he would make us look way better...for about first 5 games into new season and then he would slowly drift and merge with shit we are watching now, same time next year, people will say same shit just this time MO would be on opposite end.
 
Jaybomb said:
Anyone who thinks a slow Mesut Ozil is the answer to our attacking problems needs their head checked.

Look at the pace City and Liverpool have compared to us. That’s what we’re lacking. That penetration and speed in the attack. City have it with Sterling/Jesus/Sane/Aguero/KDB and Liverpool have it with Mane/Salah/Coutinho/Firmino.

Our attackers are Lukaku/Martial/Lingard/Rashford/Mkhi/Mata.... none of those with the exception of Rashford are lightening fast like those rival attacking players. Not even close.

We had a similar player in Di Maria and we fecked it up by playing Ashley Young over him. Who could blame him for packing his bags?

That’s why I want to see Perisic and Dybala come in. And a right sided player like Mahrez, Willian or Zaha. We need that dynamite speed. That unorthodox winger.
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Silva, KDB, Coutinho are hardly lightening fast though. Ozil will likely play at AM if we sign him, so it's unfair comparing his pace to wingers and strikers like Salah, Mane, Sterling, Sane, Jesus.
 
Jaybomb said:
Anyone who thinks a slow Mesut Ozil is the answer to our attacking problems needs their head checked.

Look at the pace City and Liverpool have compared to us. That’s what we’re lacking. That penetration and speed in the attack. City have it with Sterling/Jesus/Sane/Aguero/KDB and Liverpool have it with Mane/Salah/Coutinho/Firmino.

Our attackers are Lukaku/Martial/Lingard/Rashford/Mkhi/Mata.... none of those with the exception of Rashford are lightening fast like those rival attacking players. Not even close.

We had a similar player in Di Maria and we fecked it up by playing Ashley Young over him. Who could blame him for packing his bags?

That’s why I want to see Perisic and Dybala come in. And a right sided player like Mahrez, Willian or Zaha. We need that dynamite speed. That unorthodox winger.
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Where as I agree that we need an attacking overall I must disagree with your points. You do realize every United player you mention is very fast apart from Mata? As a team sprint race would go, we'd beat Liverpool, City and Chelsea. What makes their players good is they're fast with brilliant dribbling which opens up areas to attack. Acceleration and technique is what they have.

Mahrez again isn't rapid but over 5 yards he can skin a man. We have 1 player like that in Martial but I would agree with the signing of Mahrez.

Not that any of that would matter if we continue to play defensive/safe football.
 
We need to be moving to a proper 4-3-3 with Pogba free'd up, not adding a luxury #10 who'll increase Matic's work and restrict Pogba to a deeper role even moreso than he already is by continuing on with the 4-2-3-1 shit.
 
Jaybomb said:
Anyone who thinks a slow Mesut Ozil is the answer to our attacking problems needs their head checked.

Look at the pace City and Liverpool have compared to us. That’s what we’re lacking. That penetration and speed in the attack. City have it with Sterling/Jesus/Sane/Aguero/KDB and Liverpool have it with Mane/Salah/Coutinho/Firmino.

Our attackers are Lukaku/Martial/Lingard/Rashford/Mkhi/Mata.... none of those with the exception of Rashford are lightening fast like those rival attacking players. Not even close.

We had a similar player in Di Maria and we fecked it up by playing Ashley Young over him. Who could blame him for packing his bags?

That’s why I want to see Perisic and Dybala come in. And a right sided player like Mahrez, Willian or Zaha. We need that dynamite speed. That unorthodox winger.
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Lukaku and Martial have similar speed as the other fastest players you've listed there. Lingard and Mkhi are similar speed as the slower players that you've listed. Mata is the only one who is actually slow.

There are two things which give teams fast attacking play. The first is the speed of the players. We have that. The other is the speed of moving the ball, which is where we are utterly atrocious. That's what we need to improve. In theory Ozil should help with that.
 
Jaybomb said:
Anyone who thinks a slow Mesut Ozil is the answer to our attacking problems needs their head checked.

Look at the pace City and Liverpool have compared to us. That’s what we’re lacking. That penetration and speed in the attack. City have it with Sterling/Jesus/Sane/Aguero/KDB and Liverpool have it with Mane/Salah/Coutinho/Firmino.

Our attackers are Lukaku/Martial/Lingard/Rashford/Mkhi/Mata.... none of those with the exception of Rashford are lightening fast like those rival attacking players. Not even close.

We had a similar player in Di Maria and we fecked it up by playing Ashley Young over him. Who could blame him for packing his bags?

That’s why I want to see Perisic and Dybala come in. And a right sided player like Mahrez, Willian or Zaha. We need that dynamite speed. That unorthodox winger.
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This is not FIFA, pace is not everything.
 
Seriously wouldn’t want him. Goes missing so often and is reaching an age beyond his best years.
 
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