Except when we sign a player you don't like. Then you stop watching all of our games.
Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k
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Except I haven't missed a game, even the pre season ones, so please jog on troll.
You said you weren't going to watch us anymore when we signed Lukaku. Your words. You admit this. And I'm the troll.
You are either a spoiled brat (I'm not watching anymore), or not a man of your word (actually I am, don't take anything I have to say seriously).
Either way, you're a joke. No offence.
You said you weren't going to watch us anymore when we signed Lukaku. Your words. You admit this. And I'm the troll.
You are either a spoiled brat (I'm not watching anymore), or not a man of your word (actually I am, don't take anything I have to say seriously).
Either way, you're a joke. No offence.
You're the definition of a troll, you don't discuss football, you just come in the thread to attack me and try to bait me into lowering myself to your level, something I wont do.
You want me to apologise for exposing you as the fraud that you are? You quit 'supporting' us when we signed a player you don't like.
You aren't a fan, so stop pretending to be one. Go play your video games. You can be the 'false' fan. Fitting.
That's a fair point, personally, just feel slightly put off by a midfield three. We've looked a bit flat in attack when seeing Matić, Herrera and Pogba in the same lineup. Especially with the current state of the attacking line - we'd require a front 3 that we know are dependable goalscorers if we're going to sacrifice playing with a #10. So a RW is looking like a must.
You look at Liverpool/City, they have a fluid attack that will always get goals so they can afford to play with a three-man midfield at times. Whichever CM we sign would also have to contribute to goals the same way Kevin De Bruyne/Coutinho do. I don't think Saul or Goretzka are those types of players, a player that can contribute 10 goals from midfield would be fantastic. If the right player is out there, potentially Milinkovic-Savic then I'd be happy for us to go that route. Regardless, I see no harm in signing Özil on a free, most of Mourinho lineups require a #10 and if it allows us to bin Mkhitaryan and replace him with someone with the quality of Özil then what's there to complain about?
You can always block someone if they're annoying you. Click on the persons id and there's an ignore option.
The thing when playing 4-3-3 is that the wide players can come narrower, and when you look at the output of Martial and Rashford they are doing their part, so yes the RWF role would need upgrading but someone like Dybala can actually play off there if he's used the way Mata is from that spot in the team.
In a 3 man midfield Pogba is the one we should be looking at to get the 10 goals like De Bruyne and Coutinho IMO. The other CM should have attacking qualities but they could be more creative and about orhcestrating the attack than scoring goals. The 4-3-3 doesn't work with our current personnel I agree, because neither Herrera or Fellaini are good enough on the ball to be the 3rd man, but to me if we want to see the best of Pogba and maintain a defensive balance we need that 3 man system, and if we use a #10 it needs to be one that is a lot more dynamic and hard working to tuck in and help out in the midfield IMO, that's one of the reasons Lingard is dong well for us in that role right now. As far as signing Ozil on a free regardless, the problem is if we want a top CM for that midfield 3 they aren't coming in for a rotation role, and Ozil isn't coming in for a rotation role either, he wont accept the part Mata has in our squad I think we need a top CM and an attacker that can play RWF in a front 3 or as a #10 if we are to buy both.
Mata plays a lot of games. We need more quality players. We need Ozil + another CM.
He also spends plenty of time on the bench and does so without complaint, no way is Ozil doing that, nor is a top CM like Goretzka, Saul or Savic, these are every week starters. I'd rather keep Mata, buy a young RWF and add a top class CM. However even if we did somehow manage to convince two top players in those positions to come in, I'd much rather we got Dybala or Fekir than Ozil.
No reason why we cant play Pogba, Matic + 1CM and Ozil off the right. And then we can move Ozil behind the striker when we want to rest a CM.
Ozil's not that good off a wide spot, I'd much rather have a more dynamic player like Dybala or Griezmann if we were to opt for playing a player out of their main position to get them in.
We don't have an unlimited budget either, keep that in mind.
Good post. Can understand where you're coming from. There's always the possibility of Özil being used in that RW role, the same way he was for Mourinho when he had Di Maria and Özil playing there to devastating effect. Not sure how I'd feel about it but I wouldn't put it past Mourinho to make it happen.
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Of course not, but cutting corners and shoehorning players in will see us continue to lag behind.
Ozil is not cutting a corner.
He's not a fix for what we lack, the main attraction with him is he's free, signing him means we either play him out of position so we can get the top CM we actually need, or we plow on with this 4-2-3-1 that is so unbalanced, especially when you replace a dynamic AM with a #10 that doesn't drop in and help the midfield. Ozil is a good player if you have the midfield base to accomodate him, I'm not saying otherwise, but we don't, what we do have is a special player in Pogba that also needs the right players around him, he needs someone more dynamic and more inclined to drop in and cover him, if that is going to mean pushing the boat out to pay top dollar for two top players in the summer instead of one, then hopefully the club will do so.
We have to sign more than 2 players.
@Devil may care Some good posts. I agree with most of them. To me it'll be interesting how Jose solves the Pogba puzzle. I too consider him more of a #8-#10 hybrid than a pure box to box player. The defensive side of his game has a lot of naivety and leaves Matic with too much to do on occasions. A 433 should be the best formation for him in my opinion too. However, if we are planning on a solid box to box midfielder, then we need more creativity in the team. A deep lying play-maker instead of Matic. Matic is an excellent defensive shield but his passing and vision is nothing extra-ordinary. Jorginho could be a good option for the role. Don't know if we are going to spend money on two midfielders, though.
I don't think this team has room for another passenger like Ozil. He is a world class player on his day and would help us but him in front of midfield with Pogba in a two will leave us exposed too often. He is a very tempting prospect on a free, still not what our team needs.
I don't think this team has room for another passenger like Ozil. He is a world class player on his day and would help us but him in front of midfield with Pogba in a two will leave us exposed too often. He is a very tempting prospect on a free, still not what our team needs.
We dont need that much cover in most of our games. We can steamroll our opponents. When we need more of a solid base we can play 3 CMs and move Ozil wider. We need someone who can cover for Pogba and play with him and Matic. We also need a new AM anyway. We need options. We need a CM and Ozil.
At the moment, Pogba is not good defensively. Getting better, but not quite the complete b2b player yet. He is still young, and plenty of room to develop, but can United afford to give that much time in order to catch up to City?
Ozil might help lessen the burden for Pogba offensively so he can concentrate more of the defensive side of his game.
Ozil might help lessen the burden for Pogba offensively so he can concentrate more of the defensive side of his game.
I agree, I think we need 3 starters and a squad addition.
The balance is hard to strike I agree, we have been linked with Weigl and I think he'd be a good fit in there with a Pogba and Goretzka combo in front as the two #8's. With Jorginho I could see him slotting between Matic and Pogba, offering a #8 playmaker.
The most puzzling thing for me is how our most expensive and the best player in our squad has turned all of this into a deliema, Pogba is incredibly talented and will definitely yield results for us like he is doing right now, but I somehow feel he has more in his locker, he just needs a set position for himself.
Mourinho should fix his position first and then build the team around him, we will flourish once he does that.
Ozil on a free or a reduced fee will definitely do us good, he is not lazy at all, his running stats don't say he is lazy and he is probably the more creative than any of our players.
Will be a good addition to the squad, we should go for him in January just to watch Arsene Wenger have a meltdown
Mourinho should fix his position first and then build the team around him, we will flourish once he does that.
Ozil on a free or a reduced fee will definitely do us good, he is not lazy at all, his running stats don't say he is lazy and he is probably the more creative than any of our players.
Will be a good addition to the squad, we should go for him in January just to watch Arsene Wenger have a meltdown
RvP didnt represent everything whats wrong with Arsenal, no. You do know that RvP and Mesut are two different people, right?
That's exactly what I think. If we're signing another midfielder to partner Pogba and Matic, he has to be an attacking midfielder aka the third midfielder, someone who offers a lot in attack and - luckily - not too shabby in defence.
A midfield of Matic, CM and Pogba as the most advanced midfielder looks a bit defensive and Pogba lacks the nimbleness and mentality to be on the peripheral for a long time, meaning he will keep dropping deep to seek the ball, leaving us with just three attacking players up the pitch.
City play with Silva, Barca with Iniesta, Liverpool with Coutinho, Napoli with Hamsik. All are more attack-oriented and dissimilar to Pogba, so I think he'd be far suited to the second CM role, where he'd drop and orchestrate attacks from deep while joining the attack when spaces opens us like he currently does, but this time a bit more attacking as it's a 433. City play that way with De Bruyne, Liverpool with Wijnaldum, Napoli with Allan, Bayern last season with Thiago/Vidal and Barca with Rakitic.
Ozil probably isn't the man for the advanced CM job, but I think he'd be perfect for the No10 role in a 4231, constantly linking up with Pogba and drifting into pockets of space.
Either way, I'm just against signing a more defensive midfielder than Pogba and sticking them in a midfield three as it would make us too defensive and lacking in attack.
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We need a second midfielder to contribute more in the attacking third. Our goal threat from midfield needs to improve.
We need him to focus more on creating rather than defending. He's not a box to box midfielder. His defensive game is not up to scratch.
Erm, that's what I said in the same post.
Having said that, Pogba can contribute as well, but looking at the Burnley game, it was easy for the opponents to nullify United's tactic as Pogba and Matic were the creative starting points especially Pogba. Having creative players such as Ozil would help Pogba more offensively and be another creative point for the team.
Whether or not he is a b2b, I think he always play deeper in midfield. He is not the furthest forward of the midfield trio, so IMHO he is being developed to be a more complete midfielder that can handle the game defensively as well.
I agree. The furthest midfielder to be the main creative fulcrum is the player we are missing.
With the main creative responsibility off Pogba, he'd have the time and space to focus on bossing the game and controlling the gameplay.
Is he signing?
I think our problems stem from abandoning the 4-3-3, double 8 system. It suits our personnel the same way it suits Manchester City's
For me as a free this is a complete no brainer signing which I really hope we make. It's like having a better, quicker and taller Juan Mata. Think he is a great player and the closest in terms to De Bruyne for players who score and assist on a regular basis. Played well under Jose and is well used to this league.
If he was costing 50m plus wages then I would want someone else but for free, 100% want him, he would sit nice with a forward line of Martial Lukaku and a Griezmann/Dybala signing.
If he was costing 50m plus wages then I would want someone else but for free, 100% want him, he would sit nice with a forward line of Martial Lukaku and a Griezmann/Dybala signing.
I would pay £70 mi in the current market to get him.
lol. KDB runs fast, is energetic, puts in a proper shift. Comparing him to a lazy arse like Ozil is an insult. United need battlers and people who dominate games. Ozil has never nor will ever do that.
If Ozil have 2 wingers and 1 speedy attackers like City, he will have same value with KdB.
At Arsenal, every time counter attack is coming, the only one who run constantly is Alexis Sanchez. So how is it comparable, mate ?
At United, Ozil can alternate our attack pattern. Not at best but still worth a great value.
You know your club better, so I didn't mean to sound like a smart-arse lol but I don't think Ozil would suit United. He is just a better version of Mata. He is also ageing now, so will be a short-term benefit.
Agreed.
Isn’t he supposed to be close to re-signing with Arsenal?
United should be all over him.
United should be all over him.
Ozil would cost 20 million now in January I read. Worth a shot.
Ozil would do for now. We have a ready made NO 10 in Angel Gomes. He will be super for us when he gets his chance.
Believe me this young man has exceptional talent for his age. I have seen him many times with academy and he will be fantastic for us. Just hope he gets the chance sooner rather than later.
Believe me this young man has exceptional talent for his age. I have seen him many times with academy and he will be fantastic for us. Just hope he gets the chance sooner rather than later.
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