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Do you want Ozil at Manchester United?

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chb23 said:
Come on guys, be serious, ozil picking out passes? That requires our players to make runs.... :lol:

Here's what will happen

Ozil will get the ball, look up, and he will see 2 players to the wings just slightly more forward than him, staring at him. He will also see lukaku facing him and jogging towards him.

No??
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Our players are not making runs because they know the likes of Lingard and Herrera won't be finding them. At least I hope that's why..

Have Pogba and Ozil constantly looking for a chip or through ball, and I'm sure our front three will make more forward runs.
 
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Herrera had some great through balls last season, albeit poor for this season.

They don't make many runs for pogba.
 
Devil may care said:
He had a decent 10 minute spell where he scored tonight, but other than that he was sloppy and lethargic and just like Mata and Mkhi has no ability to protect the ball when pressed, not to mention the huge space he leaves for players to just run into as he doesn't help out his CM's. He's not what this team is missing, we have plenty of big game no shows who are weak against the press, we need someone that will allow Pogba freedom and help Matic, not another luxury that is easily bullied out of a game.
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Some of the posts in here have been all sorts of nonsense.

I can think of few players who would be better for Pogba than Özil. I'd hate it if you got him.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Some of the posts in here have been all sorts of nonsense.

I can think of few players who would be better for Pogba than Özil. I'd hate it if you got him.
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Pogba needs someone that not only helps out creatively but who provides cover behind him when he goes off on one of his runs, we get Matic isolated time and again centrally as Pogba isn't positionally great. Ozil wont help him at all as Pogba will have extra defensive responsibilities as Ozil doesn't help the midfield out. Nothing I said about last nights game was wrong, Ozil was good for the 10 minute spell in the second half, but he was very sloppy with his passing and is easily knocked off the ball in duels, much the same problem we have with Mata and Mkhi, we need a player that can shield it and keep it better than that.
 
He is what we are missing. Would bring so much composure in the final third. Would not have flunked any of the chances or the opportunity to create (i.e. the Rashford bottlejob).

You can see why Jose wants him. We automatically shit ourselves when the ball gets in the opposition half, and Özil makes the right decision more often than not.
 
Its reached a point where this is a total no-brainer.

There's no way we don't score another with him on the pitch.
 
We didn't fail to create chances today, Lukaku and Pogba put 4 on a plate, but what we did see again today was that huge gap in midfield when you try to use a #10 and Pogba, even with an instrious player like Lingard.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
See, there's your confirmation bias coming in @marktan

Özil had 79 touches, 83% pass completion. Salah 57 touches, 79% pass completion. Both had one key pass, both scored.
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Stats only tell part of the story though, I could turn the confirmation bias claim right back at you for trying to use stats to show what you want to show. As I've said already in this thread we've already got 2 players who play similar to Ozil, but we have none that are close to Salah. He was making great runs with and without the ball all game, stretching the Arsenal back line, and he has great control and passing at a high speed. He also makes great runs in behind. Ozil is a completely different player to that - not bad, but nowhere near what Salah offers as wide forward/winger which is what we're desperately crying out for now.

MaxiPaxi said:
Jesus Christ! He's literally been a mainstay in Germany international first team for 8 years. You think 'not bad' players do that? :wenger:
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Because we're not talking about the Ozil of 2011 or the Ozil of 2014 that played for Germany - we're talking about the Ozil that's been inconsistent for years for Arsenal. We're also talking about styles of players - i.e. do we need a minor upgrade on Mata or Mikhi or do we need a wide forward who can actually drible and make runs in behind like a Salah or Mane.

Balu said:
a bit shit two out of three seasons?
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That I don't disagree with, I was never really sold on Mikhi but he did have one really good season at Dortmund, which would be unfair to ignore if we're accounting for Ozil's Real years.
 
Think this one will happen, has a similar feel to Van Persie when they rumour started. Seemed unlikely but then the player wanted it to happen and it did.

Ozil played well for Mourinho at Madrid so it's not like his creativity will be stifled and he probably feels people haven't seen the best of him at Arsenal for various reasons.

Mourinho didn't deny it when asked in a press conference a few weeks back did he which I thought was telling.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
It isn't so much whether we can afford it, I just doubt Jose or the board would be able to justify paying him that much.
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I see. Perhaps we can negotiate on it. Or eork something where it rises to around that wage with bonuses.
 
I don't think Mkhitaryan has a future at Utd. Ozil in the no.10 role would be excellent with Matic-Pogba behind him. I'd love Nabil Fekir though.
 
Are there really that many players outside of China on £350k a week? It feels like a number the media have just plucked out of the air and ran with. I'd love to see him here though, think he'd be a huge upgrade to our attack.
 
Im not convinced by Ozil to be honest, but our options in that area are so mediocre that i'd take almost anyone right now who can make an improvement.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
It isn't so much whether we can afford it, I just doubt Jose or the board would be able to justify paying him that much.
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They will when there's no transfer fee involved.
Can't see it happening in Jan, as it'd be the stuff of crowd mutiny if they let either one join a team above them in Jan!
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Im not convinced by Ozil to be honest, but our options in that area are so mediocre that i'd take almost anyone right now who can make an improvement.
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Mourinho will be pitching to the board..."I know him, he played well for me at Real Madrid etc." He also knows the premier league and England so settling issues wouldn't be an issue.

For the high wages it would actually be a low risk signing as you know he'll create.

Dybala might struggle to settle like Di Maria did, you just don't know.

I actually think Ozil has underwhelmed a bit in the premier league but can see Man. United signing him for those reasons above.
 
I voted no because I think he's past his best. I still believe that, but on a free it might be worth a punt given how dour we are creatively. However I am sceptical if he can perform at his best consistently for us.
 
Hawks2008 said:
I voted no because I think he's past his best. I still believe that, but on a free it might be worth a punt given how dour we are creatively. However I am sceptical if he can perform at his best consistently for us.
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His 'past his best', is still better than the dross we have shown sometimes this season
 
Rhyme Animal said:
feck the free - lets pay Arse something and get him now.

It's Christmas afterall.
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Wenger should sell Ozil and Sanchez in January, get something for them, so he's got something to work with come summer kitty wise. Otherwise, he loses his two best players, with nothing to show for it, and a shite season either way.
 
Nucks said:
Wenger should sell Ozil and Sanchez in January, get something for them, so he's got something to work with come summer kitty wise. Otherwise, he loses his two best players, with nothing to show for it, and a shite season either way.
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problem is if they do that, they guarantee themselves to miss out on the top 4. that in itself is worth a lot of money. i can't see them getting rid of both.
 
Nucks said:
Wenger should sell Ozil and Sanchez in January, get something for them, so he's got something to work with come summer kitty wise. Otherwise, he loses his two best players, with nothing to show for it, and a shite season either way.
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With those two he has a chance to finish in the top 4 and give Europa a serious shot. Without them they'll finish 8th and bow out by the quarters. He should have sold them in last summer and got replacements. He has no choice but to keep them now. No club outside England will pay a good sum to buy them now as they can sign them on a pre-contract in January.
 
Good player, although not completely sure he will offer much different from players you already have, that arguably your manager isn't making the best use of.

Thoughts?
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Which players? He is better than both Mata and Mkhitaryan.
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Erm, well I think Mata is quality but just a bit lacking in pace although not sure Ozil is any much quicker.
However, mkhitaryan (spelling) is quicker and very talented plus I feel has been dealt a slightly shite hand by Mou.

Personally I believe he is a bit of a confidence player and Mourhino has a habit of not being the best of managers with those sort of players, you don't come from being the best player in the German League to become an also ran in the space of 18 months!
 
If he joins we'll have another player who can actually pass., in addition to Pogba, Matic and Mata.
 
RichMet said:
Erm, well I think Mata is quality but just a bit lacking in pace although not sure Ozil is any much quicker.
However, mkhitaryan (spelling) is quicker and very talented plus I feel has been dealt a slightly shite hand by Mou.

Personally I believe he is a bit of a confidence player and Mourhino has a habit of not being the best of managers with those sort of players, you don't come from being the best player in the German League to become an also ran in the space of 18 months!
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Mata is a good player but not particularly inventive and lacking in the pace and physicality to make up for it. Mkhitaryan has an extremely high top level and an extremely low bottom level, he has been appalling this season after an inconsistent first even in the first few games where he was assisting a high number of goals.

For me in the prem in that position it is De Bruyne, Ozil and Eriksen. Getting one of them when we lack a little fluidity in attack would be a big signing.
 
RichMet said:
Erm, well I think Mata is quality but just a bit lacking in pace although not sure Ozil is any much quicker.
However, mkhitaryan (spelling) is quicker and very talented plus I feel has been dealt a slightly shite hand by Mou.

Personally I believe he is a bit of a confidence player and Mourhino has a habit of not being the best of managers with those sort of players, you don't come from being the best player in the German League to become an also ran in the space of 18 months!
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He's weak and gives the ball away a lot. What's that got to do with Mourinho?
 
What are we missing in attack? Service to Lukaku.

Bring in Ozil, that's sorted.
 
haram said:
He's weak and gives the ball away a lot. What's that got to do with Mourinho?
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Well, this is only my own opinion but I think that he could be good if he was looked after a bit, mourinho is a manager who (and this might be a bit of a stereotypical opinion) but mou definitely likes to work with players who get him immediately and if you don't then you are out!

Suspect he might well have done better under any off the other top 6 managers apart from poss Wenger!

My last reply today by the way!
 
Ozil, Alexis and Alex Sandro would be a window to change everything.
Its far from impossible.
Why we are not linked to Alexis?
 
Pretty much just sign him to move into the Lowry with Jose. They’re apparently very close and it will give him some nice company.

He’d probably be useful on the pitch too.
 
Red Katie said:
Hope not.

I find him infuriating to watch playing for Arsenal so seeing him in a United shirt will possibly be the end.
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Completely agree. It's okay and great to watch when he's tearing Ludogorets apart but never, ever does it on the big stage when Arsenal's backs are against the wall. Always goes missing. We've a few players at United who continue to do that so need for him. Long term, I still Mhki will come good at United. If we are going to buy in January though, I'd much rather see us for Mahrez instead. Quality, proven creator of goals who could bring lots of balance to that side.
 
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