An upgrade to Mata, Lingard or Mkhitaryan? I think Mkhitaryan will be off soon but surely Ozil is better than the other 2 as number 10!
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Ozil is in a different stratosphere as a no.10 to Mata and Mkhitaryan
Ozil and Mahrez in January please. 
THey are attacking players, their defensive contributions should be weighted last. Either way they make basically the same defensive contributions. Ozil's record against big teams is better than Mata's over the last 3 seasons, in particular the 15/16 season where Ozil put up great numbers against top teams where as Mata has put up barely any. Ozil is easily the better player and by far the better playmaker. He got more assists in one season than Mata has got in almost 4 years here. It isn't even close.
How will that add pace to our attack though?Ozil and Mahrez in January please.
I don’t understand how people don’t see that Perisic is the best option. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t play for an Elite team and isn’t a “wonder kid”
The question isn't whether or not Ozil is better than Lingard or Mata, but rather whether he's better than the other #10/Second strikers on the market. Is he a better acquisition than Fekir, Dybala, Griezmann, Sanchez, or Forsberg, for example?
The no.10 must be a playmaker in a 4-2-3-1 under Mourinho. He is not a manager that will sacrifice qualities in his no.10 for the sake of goalscoring. Ozil, therefore cannot be compared to Dybala, Griezmann or Sanchez.
I would very much fancy Forsberg in the no.10 spot, but Ozil is definitely better on form than him (and Fekir). I'll let the manager decide who to get, because Ozil, Forsberg and Fekir are all top play makers.
What we need isn't really pace. What we need is what City have, players who can take others on, do neat short passes and create chances from nothing around the box. Ozil and Mahrez will add plenty of that. We're sorely lacking in delivery from corners and crosses - Ozil is lightyears away from Mata in that respect too.
I was against Ozil for a while, but I believe Mourinho will bring the animal out of him.
Not even exaggerating here, but I think Özil and Di Maria were more effective than Bale and James despite La Decima. What they achieved at Madrid was incredible, even eviscerated Pep's Barca during their prime.
De Gea
Valencia Lindelöf Bailly Shaw
Matić Pogba
Di Maria Özil Martial
Lukaku
Losing Di Maria was a crime. Obviously shit happened here but if he'd been on loan instead of sold Mourinho would have brought him back and we'd have a phenomenal midfield. He's so much of what we need on the RW.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42370123
leaking to the BBC just as ozil is about to go on the market for cents on the dollar. Interesting.
I'd love to get Ozil, always wanted him here.
So if we got him, would Mourinho roll out this 4231 (more or less)?
I'm not the biggest fan of this formation, but even still, he makes it look so much better...
----------------DDG-----------------
Val-----Lindelof----Jones-----Young
------Matic--------------Pogba------
Rashford-------Ozil---------Martial
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So if we got him, would Mourinho roll out this 4231 (more or less)?
I'm not the biggest fan of this formation, but even still, he makes it look so much better...
----------------DDG-----------------
Val-----Lindelof----Jones-----Young
------Matic--------------Pogba------
Rashford-------Ozil---------Martial
----------------Rom----------------
Rashford and Martial both have played their best football from the left, they were both just as ineffective from the right. We need a proper RW, not a makeshift one.
Right, but the point is that if Ozil was simply added to our current squad, is that, more or less, how people think Mourinho would use him...
That's what I wanna know about from those with good knowledge.
Mata on the right would seem like the more logical choice. The technical aspects of his game are very good, and and Ozil and him could link up well and keep swapping positions. And they'd both cut in from the right, allowing Tony V to stretch the game.
I'd be surprised if Mata was still in the side (maybe even the club) next season.
That's a whole other convo. I'm just picking the best fit out of the current squad.
Mata and Ozil in the same 11? I dunno mate, surely too... soft?
I think it'd be Ozil in the 10 with Mata as competition/rotation.
Then you may continue on your quest.
Because Mahrez is rapid regardless of the belief on here that he is slow.
Also Ozil is no slouch, he certainly faster than Mata. You also don't exactly need a pacy no.10. Look at Sneijder at Inter under Jose.
Nah he's not rapid. He's not slow neither. He's sort of medium - has what is necessary, but its not his speed that kills opponents, its his decisions, technique and shot
Rashford has had some very good games on the right, both for us and a couple for England if I remember correctly. Of course, he's also had some shockers.
The question is whether with time he'd be able to become more consistent there? Or would he always struggle to show anything there consistently?
Nani is a good example of the latter. His time here is always remembered for being very inconsistent, but that's largely only because he spent most of his career with us playing on the left. He was capable of brilliance there and quite a lot of his best ever games were from that side, but he was never able to be consistent. Whereas the only time that he ever got a run of games on the right, he led us to the title, won our player of the season, and should have won the premier leagues player of the season. We ended up wasting him to some extent by always using him on the left, so that's something we don't want with Rashford.
Just get him. Too good to pass up
We had alot of success stories with United, slow players (ex Carrick), fast players (ex Kanchelskis), tall players (ex Vidic), short players (ex Scholes), work horses (ex Park) and technically brilliant players (ex Ronaldo). However I can't think of one lazy player who did well with us.
We have bags of pace. Mourinho wanted Perisic to play wing back. Agreed on not signing Mahrez though.
He's rapid over 5 yards, like Isco and Hazard. Yet no one calls them slow.
Apologies, I haven't kept up with this..
So if we want him in January what are our options? Do we still need Arsenal to agree or can we get a pre-agreement with the player?
So if we want him in January what are our options? Do we still need Arsenal to agree or can we get a pre-agreement with the player?
I voted yes but it was not a confident yes. Like many have said he can be a luxury player at times.
Having checked his passing stats I'm sold on his signing now. This season, he's created more chances and delivers more key passes than the people's champions KDB and Silva. He also has a higher pass completion that KDB.
Having checked his passing stats I'm sold on his signing now. This season, he's created more chances and delivers more key passes than the people's champions KDB and Silva. He also has a higher pass completion that KDB.
Hopefully we can give Arsenal a few quid and get him in January.
I'd give them a virus but they already have one in Wenger
That virus leads to severe nontrophicidis
It took me a solid minute to get what nontrophicidis was referring to
The cheapest! Maybe but it's debatable whether he is better or not.
Arsenal would have to agree for us to buy him in January.
If Arsenal refuse to sell, I believe foreign clubs can sign a pre-agreement with him in January for him to then sign with them at the end of the season. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please. We wouldn't be able to since we are in the same league, although obviously we could unofficially have something organised behind the scenes with him.
The only way he's "Rapid" is if you're comparing him to someone like Mata.
Compared to the real pacemeisters, like Rashford, Walcott, Walker, Sane etc, he's nowhere near the level of speed.
Totally different to both really. Will slow us down and give us a lot less movement than lingard, but will be more tidy and technical. They will probably both be used in different games, and sometimes ozil off the right too
He really won't slow us down at all. He moves the ball quicker and more penetrating than what we have. There is more to playing fast than just running fast, of which he has a good turn of pace anyway.
Is there any new reports regarding this? Or is it just a response to the mkhi news yesterday?
People said the same about mata. Moving the ball quick has no magiv effect when teams have 11 behind the ball, it is still hard to break them down. When we are on the break , that is when we would miss lingard getting from end to end quickly. It is a trade off, not unlike the trade off between playing lingard and mata 10 at the moment, except people currently prefer ozil to mata
Ozil is miles faster than Mata, Ozil is miles better at penetrative passes than Mata. It isn't even comparable. Running fast has no magic effect when teams have 11 behind the ball. World Class passing like Ozil's does have a magic effect because it is that good. Ozil is fantastic at counters, there is plenty evidence of it at Arsenal and Real. Ozil is well able to get involved in counter attacks, don't be ridiculous.
Mata is amazing at counters too, evidence of it at chelsea. Different clubs and things are different. We may yet be surprised as we have been with our last three number 10s
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