If they lose Sanchez to City, are they really going to allow Ozil to come here as well?
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If they lose Sanchez to City, are they really going to allow Ozil to come here as well?
To be honest, even in his passenger games he can't be worse than Mata or Mkh at their worst.
If he wants to come here, they have no choice. He can leave for nothing in the summer anyway. I feel they will sell one of them in January and lose the other in the summer too. No way one of them or both are still there in the summer.
Cross of the Mirror who has written a fair bit about Ozil in the last few months has written an article saying that we're looking to sell Miki before bringing in Ozil on a free transfer in the summer:
I don't think they really have the leverage to decide the future of their players anymore. He's there for the taking on a free transfer. I don't think he'll come in January though, we'll have to wait till Summer.
I was replying to point out the obvious mistake, when I looked up and saw that your post had magically changed!
Ozil anyday over Mkhi.
He’s a great player but he’s not what we need. He won’t improve us much. Mata and Mkhi offer virtually the same thing, infact Mkhi has more pace and can beat defenders. Yes on paper, he’s probably better than both but signing him will only paper over the cracks.
Would Ozil have made a difference in the City match? No.
We need players like Perisic, Griezmann, Bale or even a cheaper option like Zaha or Mahrez more.
Would Ozil have made a difference in the City match? No.
We need players like Perisic, Griezmann, Bale or even a cheaper option like Zaha or Mahrez more.
Really disagree with this. Mikhi is only really able to beat his man if he's allowed a lot of space. He gets tackled before he even realises he's in possession.
We actually need a player that offers direct play, who can run at the opposition at full speed and more importantly can make a pass in tight situations.
Now Mhiki can run at the opposition at full speed. However PL teams have learned to deal with him by closing him down quickly and he losses position in critical positions of the field.
Ozil does not offer too much pace but he's able to make those key passes. Ozil can blow hot or cold and is not very consistent.
We obviously can't get Hazard or De bruyne but they are the sort of players we need who retain position and make those passes under pressure. Pogba is the same as well but he can't play in the No. 10 position.
I like the look of Savic. He may not be a No. 10 but with Pogba and Savic playing in midfield, we may not need a No. 10.
Ozil might be better at retaining the ball but in terms of counter attacking, Mkhitaryan is more useful.
I’ve seen Mkhi dribble past 3 players and score a goal here. Ozil won’t offer that.
And this is coming from someone who doesn’t really rate Mkhitaryan that much. He has his moments but I’m still not sure if he’s a United player. I’m just making the point that we need something different.
Back in the day, we didn’t have number 10s. We won all those league titles without playing fancy formations and fancy positions. I just don’t see why we don’t sign the required players for a 442. Everyone is raving on about 433’s and 352’s... well I guarantee you 442 is the most attacking formations provided you have the right players. If we were to sign Alex Sandro and Perisic for the left side, we could potentially be sorted. And I’d much rather give the wages to those two than Ozil who will no doubt be demanding close to 300k.
No way, Özil in 2010-2013 was one of the best counter-attacking players in the world. You put him in a system designed to play like this he'll get back to the monstrous level he was at. 81 assists in 4 seasons, there's no way Mkhitaryan is better than that. To be a good counter-attacking player, your decision making has to be composed rather than erratic, Mkhitaryan is so inconsistent in that aspect, he may be good at driving forward but he mostly runs into players and makes the wrong passes most of the time. Özil is a different kind of animal when playing on the counter-attack compared to Arsenal's usual style, in doing so the tempo of his passing is perfection along with his passing range. His acceleration and dribbling is underrated, people need to watch him more.
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When Mesut Ozil is on form he is absolutely brilliant. But he is too inconsistent. Moreover, I don't see what more Ozil would bring to the team that Mata and Mikhitaryan don't already provide.
Ozil needs players around him who will graft and dig out blind, leaving him to just pull the strings, if you will. At Arsenal, he doesn't get that! People expect him to control games, but he isn't that type of player. He is certainly decisive, though. He can win you a tight game by unlocking a defence with one pass.
If we have a solid defence with Matic, Pogba and possibly Savic in behind him - Ozil will without a doubt thrive here.
Although, I fully expect him to show a bit more oomph to his game if he reunited with Jose. I certainly will not expecting him to stand with his hands around his hips. Anyway, If he joins United, it will be absolutely fantastic. We will play better, prettier football - that people crave so much - including myself by the way. Ozil is a special player when he is in a right environment. See Germany.
If we have a solid defence with Matic, Pogba and possibly Savic in behind him - Ozil will without a doubt thrive here.
Although, I fully expect him to show a bit more oomph to his game if he reunited with Jose. I certainly will not expecting him to stand with his hands around his hips. Anyway, If he joins United, it will be absolutely fantastic. We will play better, prettier football - that people crave so much - including myself by the way. Ozil is a special player when he is in a right environment. See Germany.
Mate, Van Persie was good around that time period too. Signing him based on what he done 4 years ago would be a ridiculous decision.
He still performs very very well for Germany, and not to mention he's performing well for arsenal at the minute.
Mata and Mkhi offer the same thing 
Their passing isn't even on the same planet. Ozil getting more assists in one season in the league than Mata has in his whole time here says it all. Fact is Ozil creates goals at a rate which Mata and Mkhi don't even come close to.
Their passing isn't even on the same planet. Ozil getting more assists in one season in the league than Mata has in his whole time here says it all. Fact is Ozil creates goals at a rate which Mata and Mkhi don't even come close to.Um, Mata and especially Mkhitaryan don't really provide anything at the moment?? So it's a no-brainer
If he does join us, I'll support him, But the problem I have with him is, He doesn't turn up in the big games.
I've watched him recently and he's been a standout player for Arsenal and Germany. It's Sanchez that's disappeared.
I agree that some of his performances for Arsenal have been not what's expected from a player of his ability but I think under JM and with Pogba and Matic around him, he could excel. As a man and person, I'd pick Mata every time but in terms what could raise the level; Ozil is better
Winger yes. But I don’t think we need Griezmann atm. He is more like a goalscorer than a playmaker. Obviously right winger should be the priority as we have no good crosses for Lukaku atm. Ozil will provides lot of good passes to striker. I can’t see which position Griez can play if we can get both Ozil and right winger.
If we sign him he won't be our only attacking player, Mourinho will buy a player with pace too. I'd be astounded if he didn't.
I'll be happy if we sign him, he was excellent at Madrid under Mourinho so don't see any reason why that can't be replicated at OT. Mkhitaryan just hasn't performed consistently at the level required, looks to me he doesn't have the mentality to do it as a huge club whereas Ozil was a success in Madrid. He'll cost nothing although his wages will be massive but the most he'll cost United over a 4 year period £60m which is cheap for a player of his ability.
He was on a different level against Spurs.
445 votes for no 
The delusion is heavy, people have been brainwashed into thinking he isn't any good.
The delusion is heavy, people have been brainwashed into thinking he isn't any good
.Disagree, Mata seems to be offering a lot at the moment. Assisted in both his last two appearances, 3 assists in his last 5 apps in fact. But looking beyond the assist/goals stats for a second, the guy is probably our best player in terms of keeping and recycling possession. Mkhi in bad form keeps losing the ball all the time. Mata in bad form means simply not being very effective in the final third, but still contributing a lot (in a positive way) to the team's play.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't have a new #10. I simply object to putting Mata in they same bag with Mkhi and saying he offers nothing.
He’s been playing great for Arsenal, definitely their best player. It wasn’t long ago when he got 19 league assists in a season for Arsenal. My post was more about his comparability to play under Mourinho and his counter attacking skills which you said he can’t do.
He does.
445 votes for no
The delusion is heavy, people have been brainwashed into thinking he isn't any good
You're just assuming wrongly that anyone who voted no must think Ozil isn't any good. I voted no and I think he's a very good player, but I'd rather we went for Dybala instead.
That's a fair point. Dont think signing Dybala is that realistic though.
Juventus have always been happy to entertain large offers for their best players. That's how we got Pogba. Add to that the fact that Raiola is his agent and he's sure to try and engineer a move for his client in the future. If this was Barca/Real/Bayern I wouldn't even been entertaining the thought, but with Juve it's different. He'd be very expensive sure, but not unrealistic in my opinion.
Pogba actually wanted to come here as well though.
True and good point, but we don't know with Dybala. He might be interested. I wouldn't expect him to be ecstatic about coming here, he would probably prefer Real, but he might be tempted.
Anyhow, I don't want to digress too much and make it a discussion about Dybala. My point was that many people have voted no, because they prefer someone else to take that spot. Dybala, Sanchez, Griezmann etc. etc. each fan might be partial to a particular player. Doesn't mean they think Ozil's crap, just that they want the club to get the "best" and that might be a different player in their eyes. And if that "best" is attainable they don't want to settle for Ozil just because he's free.
It's not an irrational train of thought, is all I'm saying.
I believe he is not. He just expressed his opinion about Dybala moving.
Wouldn't say no!
Zlatan will be gone and probably Mkhitaryan as well end of the season,would not be a surprise if we brought in both Ozil as well as Bale!!
Ozil is a much much more creative player than mata and Mkhitaryan... he's on a completely different level to them when at his best, and historically has performed the best under mourinho. I'd pay 20-30 million even for him in the January window. He can absolutely be the difference between a major trophy for us and not.
Mourinhos system uses a #10 and the curren options are not up to scratch, completely out of favour, or better elsewhere (the 3 beings Lingard, Mkhitaryan and Mata).
Mourinhos system uses a #10 and the curren options are not up to scratch, completely out of favour, or better elsewhere (the 3 beings Lingard, Mkhitaryan and Mata).
Can't say no to free.
If we offload Mickhi and possibly Mata then Ozil would be a great replacement.
If we offload Mickhi and possibly Mata then Ozil would be a great replacement.
I would seriously try and test their resolve in January.
Given the form he's in now and the fact that he's eligible for the CL I think we could shake their stance with the right offer, especially if Ozil pushed for the move.
He would be the best pure upgrade I can think of right now that's realistically available for good value. Not sure when he's available for everyone that we'll be the ones who get him.
He's exactly the type of player we're crying out for.
Given the form he's in now and the fact that he's eligible for the CL I think we could shake their stance with the right offer, especially if Ozil pushed for the move.
He would be the best pure upgrade I can think of right now that's realistically available for good value. Not sure when he's available for everyone that we'll be the ones who get him.
He's exactly the type of player we're crying out for.
I wonder if Mata would be interested in a move to London in January...
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