Yeah can't see us getting him in January, same for Sanchez going to City. Summer that it's then. Will be on free and save us money for other signings.
Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k
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Wasn't initially enthused by the thought, but am coming round to the idea.
Reckon he'd be a popular figure amongst the squad and he'd flourish at our club as opposed to Arsenal.
Doesn't really have many suitors either so might not be all that tricky to complete.
Coud spell the end for Mata and/or Mkh though.
Reckon he'd be a popular figure amongst the squad and he'd flourish at our club as opposed to Arsenal.
Doesn't really have many suitors either so might not be all that tricky to complete.
Coud spell the end for Mata and/or Mkh though.
I feel the Arsenal board will try and get a transfer fee for one of Ozil or Sanchez in January. They won't want to lose both on free transfers. Ozil to me looks the more likelier departure in January.
The argument is that Mourinho is somehow magically going to get Ozil to get himself motivated himself every single match. If Mourinho was a magician, why cannot he do that with Shaw. Ozil has been like that throughout his career, not just at Arsenal. He has won everything there is to win, so he is lacking even more motivation. Only thing he is chasing is his last big paycheck before he puts his feet up and retires, even if he is under a contract.
Because Shaw and Ozil are different players and Mourinho has motivated Ozil before.
I agree with you but how Arsenal would it be for them both to leave on a free on the same day
Bet poor Matic is having nightmares about Pogba and Ozil wondering off leaving him alone trying to cover for five players.
I'd be keen but ultimately, Jose will know what his character is like and whether he thinks it's worth it. He's obviously a quality footballer. Sure he will have plenty of offers though and clubs will be throwing money at him with him being on a free.
I'd be keen but ultimately, Jose will know what his character is like and whether he thinks it's worth it. He's obviously a quality footballer. Sure he will have plenty of offers though and clubs will be throwing money at him with him being on a free.
Yeah just like Fernandinho does with Silva and De Bruyne .
It’s up to Jose. Rio said it yesterday before the game that Jose had him running more at Real Madrid where as Wenger has been more lax on him.
Because Shaw can't be arsed? Everyone who worked with him says the same. Even Poch.
Ozil and Mourinho clicked. It happens
I thought Ozil was excellent against us with the type of performance rarely seen from him since joining the PL.
He was central to Arsenal’s play, constantly cajoling and creating.
Looks like a man playing to put himself in the shop window and I’d take him at United - he’s light years ahead of Mata and Mkhi.
He was central to Arsenal’s play, constantly cajoling and creating.
Looks like a man playing to put himself in the shop window and I’d take him at United - he’s light years ahead of Mata and Mkhi.
100% agree, BUT we don't play like Arsenal. We hardly have anyone making clever little darts into space or overloading spaces. Our static-ness would see him flop. Arsenal's offensive play is scalpel precision. Our's is more like a hammer we just swing.
I'd certainly hope so. We lack a real assist machine, with the possible exception of mkhitarian who is very inconsistent.
To be fair, Ozil's motivation seems to have gotten worse over the years as it's become obvious that the team around him aren't going anywhere and the manager doesn't know how to fix this (indeed they've been getting worse). Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying that that is a good thing. But IF Mourinho goes for him (which is a big 'if') then obviously Jose believes he would be motivated here. And Mourinho is in a much better position to decide that then we are.
He was very good vs us i thought. Put in a great shift, covered every blade of grass and even a shot on target. Ozil's got a damn good engine on him looks like.
The best part for me was seeing the frustration on his face. The desperation and eventual futility was so fecking amazing.
The best part for me was seeing the frustration on his face. The desperation and eventual futility was so fecking amazing.
Mourinho on Özil:
I'd take him if we flog one of Mkhi or Mata. Otherwise, there's no point having 3 similar players on the books.
One of my favourite German players over the last decade, would love to see him at United but that completely depends on how Mourinho wants to go forward next season with the midfield 3. Given that he's adopted mostly a 4-2-3-1 formation with Pogba-Matic-Mhiki, Ozil would be a straight fit into the CAM role. Mourinho used that formation mostly at Real as well with Khedira-Alonso working hard behind Ozil, and then moving Ozil to a RW position in matches against Barca to slot Pepe in a DM role.
Maybe he can have something similar for United next season. Play 4-2-3-1 with Ozil at the tip behind Lukaku and Pogba-Matic behind against regular opponents, then switch to either a 3-4-2-1 (same formation as against Arsenal with Ozil in place of either Martial or Lingard) or a defensive 4-3-3 (with Ozil on the right) in the bigger matches. I'd prefer the latter since it'd give better control of the midfield.
I'm a bit biased when it'l come to having Ozil at United since there are more important positions to target, such as having a deep lying playmaker, so I'l still be drooling at finally seeing him play his silky football at United.
Maybe he can have something similar for United next season. Play 4-2-3-1 with Ozil at the tip behind Lukaku and Pogba-Matic behind against regular opponents, then switch to either a 3-4-2-1 (same formation as against Arsenal with Ozil in place of either Martial or Lingard) or a defensive 4-3-3 (with Ozil on the right) in the bigger matches. I'd prefer the latter since it'd give better control of the midfield.
I'm a bit biased when it'l come to having Ozil at United since there are more important positions to target, such as having a deep lying playmaker, so I'l still be drooling at finally seeing him play his silky football at United.
Good post again, but I don't think how we can afford to play Ozil and Pogba in the same team? As much as I loved Pogba's performance at Arsenal, I also do think he neglected all of his defensive duties in the first half.
I believe Griezmann is the better choice, for the reason you have said.
Griezmann is very industrious and dynamic. Ozil is a player that hovers in the final third, whereas Griezmann is a player that goes box to box as a no.10. Griezmann is also 2 years younger.
Last post of the day but I guess I'll use it here.
For the bigger games, I guess we can afford to play a formation similar to what Jose used against Barca:
-----------Back Four-----------
-----Matic---DM(eg: Weigl)----
-----------Pogba---------------
Ozil----------------------Martial
-----------Lukaku-------------
Matic and another DM (or Herrera if we decide not to sign anyone), can provide defensive solidarity. If we get someone like Weigl then it can help us keep composure in possession and also distribute the ball to start counter attacks. Pogba will be relieved of some of the defensive responsibilities and that can give him the freedom to drive the ball forward like he did for the third goal against Arsenal.
That being said, I'm not the biggest fan of Ozil as a RW. I hated it when Loew played him there against Italy in the Euro 2012 semi's but it did work very well for Jose against Barca in a counter attacking system. It certainly doesn't get the best out of Ozil but can work.
He can make the pass but is he what we need? Lingard was so good against Arsenal because he was making runs beyond the forwards. Can Ozil do that? Would we want Ozil to do that? Maybe Griezmann is more the type of player to fit the team.
The Griezemann comparisons are all well and good (and FWIW I think he is the better player) right up until you take into account one would be £0 and one would be £100,000,000
I would rather sign Ozil and use the £100m it'd cost to sign Greizmann on a actual right sided winger, and full backs.
Ozil with Pogba and Matic behind him would be perfect. I'd say that's as good as Citys trio of KdB, Silva and Fernandinho.
Ozil with Pogba and Matic behind him would be perfect. I'd say that's as good as Citys trio of KdB, Silva and Fernandinho.
Surely the summer, we can't really have him in Jan. Right?
Duh!
Suppose it comes down to whether Arsenal want to cash in on him in January or lose him for nothing in 6 months.
No chance they will let him go in Jan. 20 mil-30 mil is not that big of a deal nowadays. Arsene will keep him till June. I suspect he's either going to Bayern/Juve or United.
on the plus side, I saw him more animated over the weekend than ever. May work well with Jose given their history.
What if he is not? We will be stuck with a player on massive wages for at least 4 years.
Still worth of risk with a free transfer.
Thankfully we have Woodward in charge.
If it's so obvious why make the comparison then?
I made the comparison because people are somehow making Mourinho appear as some kind of a magician, who will wave his magic wand and get a player with no desire to suddenly bring 100% effort to every game. If he is such a magician, why is it taking so long to get Shaw to put in the effort that he is claiming that is lacking?
People aren't acting like Mourinho is a magician, they simply seem to remember (unlike you apparently) that he and Ozil worked well together before and that there is no reason why this couldn't happen again. Has Mourinho worked with Shaw before Manchester United? I don't think so.
Like I said Ozil and Shaw are different people so they will react differently... no idea why you replied with "duh" when it appears you still haven't grasped that idea yet.
No, it's just not me, other people have noticed that Ozil only turns up when he feels like it. The Ozil that Mourinho managed at Real Madrid is not the same hungry Ozil now at Arsenal. He has won everything that there is to win and is just playing for his paycheck. Read up on his partying and other stuff off the field and you will see that he is nowhere near the same hungry player.
I will leave you alone.
Sometimes when the team has as much individual talent as United would have with Pogba and Mesut together, it doesn't quite matter as much as it appears it would. The early ofensive power, specially with Lukaku or Zlatan upfront, could be enough to kill the game already and go to the second half with a big advantage. Matic looks like he can hold his own against anyone anyways.
If Ozil can play UCL (I think he should be?), I'd love us to get him in January. He is world class, work with Mou before and also PL proven. After the group stage, every opponent is no worse than PL top six. I can't imagine us competing with RM, Barca, PSG, City, or even Liverpool with Lingard, Mata, or Mkhitaryan as #10.
I don’t think Arsenal would let him come to United on January. Some would say Wenger wants to sell him before he leaves for free. They may sell Ozil on January only if he goes aboard. Selling your main player to rival on mid season is a disaster for the team morale and fans.
I'm not sure; it's one of those which could go spectacularly well or disastrously wrong. He seems to be a player who drives the Arsenal fans mad: he can be sublime or can be a passenger. He's the type of player who, when having a poor game, offers nothing because he doesn't work for the team. When he's on song, he can open up the best defences, which is something we need badly, given the current form of Mata and Miki. It would depend upon the size of any fee for me. It's a dilemma this one.
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