Problem is with Ozil, you'll either get the player who played against Spurs, or the Ozil who's been underwhelming when his team has needed him for a while now. The only thing I can think of is, probably his best ever form came under Jose and he's already spoken about how his tough love worked great for him.
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Problem is with Ozil, you'll either get the player who played against Spurs, or the Ozil who's been underwhelming when his team has needed him for a while now. The only thing I can think of is, probably his best ever form came under Jose and he's already spoken about how his tough love worked great for him.
He hasn’t been underwhelming this season. He has created most chances (or at least among the top 5) this season
He’s always been amongst the best assisters though iirc. I was referring more to his influence on games when his team needs him most.
That’s what it is. He can only create chances. Expecting him to win you a game single handed like Messi or Ronaldo is only going to disappoint because that isn’t the kind of player he is. Even in the big games he creates chances. Unfortunately arsenal forwards are wasteful
Ozil has always been a player who needs the hard line approach. However, his propensity to go missing, not work hard enough and show enough enthusiasm has been massively exacerbated at Arsenal. There is literally nobody at that club with a backbone. No character. No fighting spirit. Bar Sanchez, there isn't anyone at Arsenal, with anywhere near his level of ability and both he and Sanchez running down their contracts, just so they can leave, speaks volumes.
Ozil is still a great player. He can't not be. He is just too talented. With the right motivation i.e. a manager who isn't his 75yr old nana, he will rip the league apart like he has done before.
Doesn't matter who we can get as a AM, unless we are actually in the market for one. Last time I checked we have at least 5 players who could play as our #10. Whether Ozil is better than some/all is up for debate, my point is Jose doesn't need to sign Ozil, or if we did we'd have to sell.
But if you want a name, Griezmann
I'd rather focus on areas our team needs, like full backs or a wide right forward. A replacement for Fellaini as it seems he isn't signing a contract.
Mata and Mkhi doesn't cut it, we've tried both for extended periods of time and their performances just doesn't warrant to start as the #10 for a club like MUFC.
Zlatan will likely leave at the end of the season, anyways he is getting on a bit.
Lingard should not be more than a squaddie.
Yes, if Jose plans to use his 4-2-3-1 then we absolutely need a #10, and we need a creative one, not someone like Griezmann.
By that logic, Pogba=Ozil.
Not really.
None of them are actually good in that position.
Tell me then? I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about what they offer to the team.
Tell you what? Pogba doesn't go missing to the extent that Ozil often has done. It's unfair to call Pogba just a fair weather player at this point. And Pogba's contribution can be very important even if he doesn't get a goal or an assist. It's not his main job to assist, unlike Ozil.
Ozil contributes a lot to the team; he offers more than just goals and assists. He more than gets the job of assists and goals done too.
Ozil wont be going anywhere in Jan
It’s nearly impossible to get better players nowadays. These 3 players look up for transfer come new year. They are all premiership proven and right good ages.
I’m not saying there is a night and day between but at this level it’s small percentages. I’d happily sell a few of either Darmain Blind Rojo Smalling Jones Shaw and would listen to offers for Lingard Mata and Herrera.
Personally if I could buy Rose (upgrade on any of our left backs) then get both of or even one off (Luiz and VVD) that’s an upgrade on all our central defenders apart from Bailley.
Why not money is not the issue here plus I’d go for Ozil and possibly Barkley pushing Mata and Herrrera our the door.
That would give us:
DDG
Valencia Bailley Luiz VVD Rose
Ozil Matic Pogba
Martial/Rashford
Lukaku
That’s a 532 formation that could easily go to a 433 or 4231 and is a very strong team along the lines of a Juventus in my opinion plus is along with the Jose mentality.
Hopefully in the summer we’d have enough about us to go for a talisman like Griezmann/Bale/Dybala. That would match anything in England in my mind.
Man we are not going to sign another 2 CB's.
Would this replacement for fellaini not be Ozil? They play the same sort of position differently but both not midfielders or attackers.
I guess so as not the obvious selection with Jones Smalling Bailley and Rojo but I wouldn’t be against it as VVD and Luiz are better than we have and with top players now at a premium as even Liverpool can compete with us to buy them then we should not really turn up our noses. We should buy them and look to offload a couple. With my preferences I’d offload Shaw Darmain Blind Smalling and or Rojo. Needs are musts and these 2 guys are simply better players and Luiz and VVD wouldn’t break our budget too much. Plus we have TFM and Tunzabe as back up players of great potential.
They don't. Ozil plays nominally behind the forwards while Fellaini is a CM, capable of playing deep and advanced.
No I disagree with you yes massively different in styles but play midfield or behind the front line. Fellaini is not a defensive midfielder otherwise in size.
I didn't say Fellaini can play as a DM, I said CM. Putting it into context, Fellaini can play in a midfield two unlike Ozil.
He is box to box.
If we don't sort out our LB/LWB, RB/RWB, RW situation out we won't get the full potential of the team or the lack of wins against Top 4 sides in away games sorted.
Why a LB/LWB?
As much as Young has been consistently good there we could do with a longer-term option. Shaw is unlikely to turn things around. Would be a good thing to have a left footed player for quicker delivery without the checking back. Would be even better to get a 2 footed player but hey they seem to be a rarity nowadays.
Why a RB/LWB or RW (why not both?)
We have been almost completely lacking any type of service from the right flank either from forwards or defenders alike. It would literally add another dimension and give us more chances and options which stops teams being comfortable defending on their right flank and us being predictable. Too many times teams have set up against nullifying the only flank where we are a real threat(our left).
Do we need Ozil or another 10?
In addition, if we had a high level 10 then that would make us formidable but without the above even they will suffer as their channels of passing will be shut down more easily down the centre unless there were decent wide players to create the space in the middle or the angle out wide.
Why a LB/LWB?
As much as Young has been consistently good there we could do with a longer-term option. Shaw is unlikely to turn things around. Would be a good thing to have a left footed player for quicker delivery without the checking back. Would be even better to get a 2 footed player but hey they seem to be a rarity nowadays.
Why a RB/LWB or RW (why not both?)
We have been almost completely lacking any type of service from the right flank either from forwards or defenders alike. It would literally add another dimension and give us more chances and options which stops teams being comfortable defending on their right flank and us being predictable. Too many times teams have set up against nullifying the only flank where we are a real threat(our left).
Do we need Ozil or another 10?
In addition, if we had a high level 10 then that would make us formidable but without the above even they will suffer as their channels of passing will be shut down more easily down the centre unless there were decent wide players to create the space in the middle or the angle out wide.
Very unlikely Fellaini or Ozil in the future will be as a two more of a three in midfield or behind the front. But I’m with you on this I just think they occupy similar areas in the team and it would be one or the other not both.
Fellaini??
Yup
They don't occupy similar areas; Fellaini stays deep in possession and gets in the box when attacking, while Ozil stays in the 'hole'.
Ozil can play in a midfield 3 Fellaini plays deep in a 3 anyhow the point being Ozil could play in a 3 alongside Pogba and Matic and we’d be gaining a player at least as comfortable if not even more comfortable on the ball than Pogba and Matic and that takes some doing. Plus he’s a completely different player to these 2.
I swear if there was a "Do we want Mbappe/Neymar?" thread, there would be a 51% yes and 49% no vote.
And if there was a "Should we keep Fellaini?" poll, the vote would be 89% yes and 11% no!
And if there was a "Should we keep Fellaini?" poll, the vote would be 89% yes and 11% no!
He's one of our own, he's one of our own. That boy Fellaini... he's one of our own.
But seriously, I could write an entire essay about Mourinho and why Fellaini is the perfect player to be his 'disrupter'. There have been entire books written on the topic.
To understand Jose, you need to understand systems. Ozil can do a particular job between the lines. So can Fellaini. But given the squad currently on our books, a midfielder with quality who does the same sort of thing would be the best possible addition that adheres to Mourinho's philosophy (and, yes, he does have one). Ozil is a #10 who, whilst world class, would blunt the rest of the cutting edge that's already here. A top level #8 would sharpen it.
But seriously, I could write an entire essay about Mourinho and why Fellaini is the perfect player to be his 'disrupter'. There have been entire books written on the topic.
To understand Jose, you need to understand systems. Ozil can do a particular job between the lines. So can Fellaini. But given the squad currently on our books, a midfielder with quality who does the same sort of thing would be the best possible addition that adheres to Mourinho's philosophy (and, yes, he does have one). Ozil is a #10 who, whilst world class, would blunt the rest of the cutting edge that's already here. A top level #8 would sharpen it.
I think this will happen. He'd improve us and Jose loves him.
Going to be a big mistake singing Ozil. No one doubts his quality, but he only seems to bring it when he feels up to it. We will have a part time player on monstrous wages. Trust us to be left with the leftover after City pick up Sanchez.
Maybe a manager like Mourinho and not a bottleless get like Wenger will sort that issue out? Ozil was good under Mou at RM.
The arguement that he wont show up for us is getting really tired. As long as he has the support and structure behind him he will do the business. Amazing player and we need him.
He's disappeared in big games even when he played for better sides like Real Madrid and Germany, he's that type of player, no guts.
Vvd is not as good as jones rojo or bailly
If that happens, can always sub in Lingard who is a big game player and always seems to score great goals.
I was originally against this transfer but it's starting to make sense. I cannot deny he would be an upgrade on our current no.10's and hopefully Jose would sort out his nasty habit of going missing.
The fact that no transfer fee would be involved should also not be under-played. I expect we will spunk another massive wad of cash next summer so we would be able to strengthen more areas if we can obtain targets for nowt. We should also be looking at Goretzka (CM) and Gouhlam (LB) in this regard, assuming the latter recovers well from his ACL injury. That would be 3 quality additions without a penny spent in transfer fees.
The fact that no transfer fee would be involved should also not be under-played. I expect we will spunk another massive wad of cash next summer so we would be able to strengthen more areas if we can obtain targets for nowt. We should also be looking at Goretzka (CM) and Gouhlam (LB) in this regard, assuming the latter recovers well from his ACL injury. That would be 3 quality additions without a penny spent in transfer fees.
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