Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k

[JSArsenal]

I hope we don't sell him to Barcelona.

We either have convictions or we don't. We can't make noises about keeping him to the end of his contract and then sell him six months later. If he was going to be sold at all, it should have been in the summer. Now if he goes in January, who could we even get to replace him?

I can hear Wenger all now, "I believe that Iwobi has all the right qualities to replace Ozil, he may surprise you."

Not too fussed about where he goes in June.

 

[SAFicus]

If you consider where our real problems are, you surely can't come to any other conclusion than Ozil is not the answer, or even part of the answer.
I think even some who want to sign him know that too, but maybe think "well I'd take him on a free". But that wouldn't solve anything, and in fact may make matters worse.

Was a Striker our main problem when SAF signed RVP?

Remind me again how that worked out.

Quality is quality. If we can get it, we should.

 

[Lougie86]

Absolute no brainer on a free transfer for me.

Proven quality, knows the league and Jose knows him.

What's not to like?

 

[Mcking]

Mate, we could have just both agreed at the start that Mhiki solves none of our problems and is thus probably surplus to requirements.

I didn't disagree to that, did I? You are the one who said we shouldn't sign Ozil, that Mkhi and Mata should be as No.10. I was merely pointing out that signing Ozil will have no effect on Mkhi and Mata whatsoever.

 

[TheOrgazoid]

I didn't disagree to that, did I? You are the one who said we shouldn't sign Ozil, that Mkhi and Mata should be as No.10. I was merely pointing out that signing Ozil will have no effect on Mkhi and Mata whatsoever.

Well, if we sign Ozil then where will Mata/Mhki play?
You already stated that you want an upgrade on those two for No.10 and I already said that I would like to see an upgrade on them for RW.
That doesn't leave too much.

 

[Mcking]

Well, if we sign Ozil then where will Mata/Mhki play?
You already stated that you want an upgrade on those two for No.10 and I already said that I would like to see an upgrade on them for RW.
That doesn't leave too much.

It's either one or both of them leaves or they will have to settle for a bench/back-up role. In an ideal world, I will move on one of them. Rashford, Martial and Lukaku will handle the LW and CF positions; Lingard and the one of the duo that stays, backs-up the new AM and RW. Seven players for 4positions is not too much or too meagre, it's as good as it gets.

 

[Noc-Z]

What are those real problems and what do you reckon are the answers?

Our biggest problems are down the wings in my opinion. Full-backs/wing-backs and more seriously, actual wingers. I've felt for a long time we don't have any wingers. Mata has been out there - not a winger. Mkhitaryan? not a winger. Martial? Striker not a winger. Rashford? Not a winger. We need better wing play.

 

[Noc-Z]

Was a Striker our main problem when SAF signed RVP?

Remind me again how that worked out.

Quality is quality. If we can get it, we should.

Yes, we were crying out for a goal-scorer. He was the missing piece, as you say that much is clear when you look at how it worked out.

 

[SAFicus]

Yes, we were crying out for a goal-scorer. He was the missing piece, as you say that much is clear when you look at how it worked out.

That is not my recollection.

I seem to recall the caf wanting midfielders above all else at the time.

 

[joedirt87]

Yes, we were crying out for a goal-scorer. He was the missing piece, as you say that much is clear when you look at how it worked out.

That is not my recollection.

I seem to recall the caf wanting midfielders above all else at the time.

I was happier about the Kagawa signing. van Persie ended up being fantastic and helped win the title but I still think United could have won it without him. Overall the team scored less goals in the premier league (86) than the previous year (93) and recall the other top sides having down seasons. Clinched it with 4 games remaining.

 

[United_We_Stand]

https://en.as.com/en/2017/11/23/football/1511434268_816133.html

 

[Sterling Archer]

That is not my recollection.

I seem to recall the caf wanting midfielders above all else at the time.

Your recollection is correct. And to be fair, I think long-term improving the midfield was as big if not more a priority. Just that a player like RVP can paper over cracks and push a team to the title. Which is what happened.

We hAve a very solid core at the moment. A player like Ozil is still more than a luxury - in addition to the fullback it's a position of need with Mata and Mikhitaryan not offering enough.

 

[Mastadon]

Was a Striker our main problem when SAF signed RVP?

Remind me again how that worked out.

Quality is quality. If we can get it, we should.

Have to agree with this. RVP was a complete player and the best forward in the league by a mile at the time. He was an obvious signing with a year left on his contract and not wanting to renew.

Was shocked that he ended up at Utd but his last 18 months at Arsenal and subsequent year at Utd was pure world class goal scoring and all round play. It’s tempting to say we would have won the league if he had stayed that season but you just know Wenger would have messed it up somehow.

 

[SAFicus]

Your recollection is correct. And to be fair, I think long-term improving the midfield was as big if not more a priority. Just that a player like RVP can paper over cracks and push a team to the title. Which is what happened.

We hAve a very solid core at the moment. A player like Ozil is still more than a luxury - in addition to the fullback it's a position of need with Mata and Mikhitaryan not offering enough.

Have to agree with this. RVP was a complete player and the best forward in the league by a mile at the time. He was an obvious signing with a year left on his contract and not wanting to renew.

Was shocked that he ended up at Utd but his last 18 months at Arsenal and subsequent year at Utd was pure world class goal scoring and all round play. It’s tempting to say we would have won the league if he had stayed that season but you just know Wenger would have messed it up somehow.

Thank you. Exactly my point.

I think an Ozil type player could be huge right now even thoigh it isn't our weakest position.

 

[prath92]

Apparently Pogba liked Ozil’s post on Instagram. Now of course, both are Adidas athletes but hey ho.

 

[Trizy]

https://en.as.com/en/2017/11/23/football/1511434268_816133.html

1. Barcelona cannot afford £330k a week. Not with their wage structure and Messi's new deal looming.
2. What has he done recently to warrant over £150k a week?

 

[prath92]

Also sportswitness report that Turkish media reckons ozil told fenerbahce that he is joining united

 

[arthurka]

Mhiki is leaving after this season so this makes sense as Özil is 10x the player..
Still not sure I want him but he is quality..

 

[haram]

Mhiki is leaving after this season

He is?

 

[Noc-Z]

That is not my recollection.

I seem to recall the caf wanting midfielders above all else at the time.

You're probably right, we badly needed midfielders too. Probably more so.

 

[Noc-Z]

I was happier about the Kagawa signing. van Persie ended up being fantastic and helped win the title but I still think United could have won it without him. Overall the team scored less goals in the premier league (86) than the previous year (93) and recall the other top sides having down seasons. Clinched it with 4 games remaining.

I honestly don't think we would have. Van Persie was signed purely to win us the title and he pretty much done that. Anyway, Ozil is not the type of player that would make the kind of diffrence/contribution that Van Persie did.

 

[Ikon]

I'm dithering over this one, and I think I might change my mind a time or two more....
A few years ago, before he joined Arsenal, I would have considered Ozil as being an absolute dream signing to supply Rooney.

In recent years, maybe because of the media, I've began to see him as something of a luxury player, turns it on when things are going good, but disappears when the tide turns...
No doubt at all what an immense talent he is, so really it just comes down to attitude.

Looking at one of those YouTube compilations of him, made me realise just how he specializes in passes ahead of the forwards, so that they can run onto....perfect for Lukaku..!!

I suppose a midfield of Matic - Pogba - Ozil could be amazing as an offensive trio......but if we are on the backfoot, Ozil is replaced by Herrera.
So yeah, free transfer, lets do it..!!

 

[VanGaalEra]

So when we were linked half the Caf didn't want him, now he's had a couple of good games and is linked to Barca, the majority now want, want, want.

 

[Luke1995]

Body language can be so misleading, people see him walking around very composed and calm and think he's not up for the match. Ozil always run alot (Since the camera is not always on him, you don't see every run he makes), he just doesn't tackle, he is not a defensive midfielder, that's not his job. It says alot about Arsenal's defense that he is always singled out for his work rate when that's the job of people paid to defend. If he finds a fraction of space he will put someone in front of goal.

 

[SAFicus]

So when we were linked half the Caf didn't want him, now he's had a couple of good games and is linked to Barca, the majority now want, want, want.

I have wanted him consistently... Then again I trusted SAF with Moyes.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Also sportswitness report that Turkish media reckons ozil told fenerbahce that he is joining united

http://sportwitness.co.uk/man-united-huge-offer-playmaker-talks-old-trafford-move/

 

[McGrathsipan]

Hes a good player ..... get him in!

 

[United_We_Stand]

 

[Ali Dia]

I think if we are in for him he certainly knows our offer by now. I don't see arsenal selling him to us in Jan for any less than 20-25 million though and I'm not sure he's worth that and 300k a week for 4 years. He's a really good player but I have my doubts about the value it would represent.

 

[Sparky10Legend]

Simple in my view, give him 25m signing on fee (cheap by todays standards), then a "realistic" wage of 170 pw?

Meaning we dont get stuck with him if it doesnt go well?

 

[Plato]

1. Barcelona cannot afford £330k a week. Not with their wage structure and Messi's new deal looming.
2. What has he done recently to warrant over £150k a week?

Be more than 1.5 times better than Lingard.

 

[yo@Kirk]

With the wages United are known for, United should be a prime destination for free transfers. Add Ozil and Goretzka plus two fullbacks for a 4-3-1-2 scheme that would rival Real's 2017 Champion's League finals lineup.

 

[Maradona10]

I think even he knows he aint worth 300k/week. Best he will do is 200k/week. He just does not want to be at arsenal and is demanding asalary he knows they cant pay.Also it might be agent talk to get him the best deal from his new club.

 

[Maradona10]

With the wages United are known for, United should be a prime destination for free transfers. Add Ozil and Goretzka plus two fullbacks for a 4-3-1-2 scheme that would rival Real's 2017 Champion's League finals lineup.

Ozil,Goretzka, Ghoulam another fullback and we have improved the team manyfold without using a dime on permanent transfer fees.

 

[beingshe7don]

Ozil (free)
Goretzka (free)
Dybala (120m)
Rose (40m)

160m and we are all sorted for next season.

---------------------------------------------- Lukaku ------------------------------------------------
--- Martial/ Rashford ---------------- Ozil/ Mata/ Mhiki ------------- Dybala/ Lingard/ Mata-----
-----------------------------Pogba/ Goretzka ------------- Herrera/ Matic -------------------------
--- Rose/ Rojo ------- Rojo/ Smalling ----------- Bailly/ Jones ------------- Valencia/ Tuanzebe-
-------------------------------------------- De Gea --------------------------------------------------

 

[Schneckerl]

Add Ozil and Goretzka plus two fullbacks for a 4-3-1-2 scheme that would rival Real's 2017 Champion's League finals lineup.

Yeah if Ozil and Goretzka would be as good as Real's starters (which they aren't) we would just need two fullbacks like Carvajal and Marcelo, a new Ronaldo and we are just like them.

 

[Mcking]

Our biggest problems are down the wings in my opinion. Full-backs/wing-backs and more seriously, actual wingers. I've felt for a long time we don't have any wingers. Mata has been out there - not a winger. Mkhitaryan? not a winger. Martial? Striker not a winger. Rashford? Not a winger. We need better wing play.

Sure we need a winger and a fullback, and so a No.10 too. Because it is obviously easier to physically spot our lack of wingers over poor creativity doesn't mean wide problems are the biggest right now.
Pogba's injury completely showed what a poor creative side we are.
Our lack of a very good playmaker is probably the top reason we are eight points behind city. Mata has shown to be unreliable as a No.10 - as shown in the Huddersfield and Newcastle games - and Mkhi has been pretty poor. A lot of our goals this season have come from wide areas which highlights our deficiency through the middle and the bit exaggerated 'wide problems are worse than the No.10 problem'.
Ozil will solve the latter problem probably to the tee and him being available on a free won't reduce our prospects of getting widemen, since you consider that as the main problem. My point is, Ozil is definitely not all the answer to our problems, but he'd solve one of our main problems and for free, it's a no brainer unless we find a better player.

 

[Mcking]

Ozil (free)
Goretzka (free)
Dybala (120m)
Rose (40m)

160m and we are all sorted for next season.

---------------------------------------------- Lukaku ------------------------------------------------
--- Martial/ Rashford ---------------- Ozil/ Mata/ Mhiki ------------- Dybala/ Lingard/ Mata-----
-----------------------------Pogba/ Goretzka ------------- Herrera/ Matic -------------------------
--- Rose/ Rojo ------- Rojo/ Smalling ----------- Bailly/ Jones ------------- Valencia/ Tuanzebe-
-------------------------------------------- De Gea --------------------------------------------------

If we get Ozil, I don't see any other need for a 120m Dybala and vice-versa. Rather spend half or 2/3 of the Dybala fee on an actual winger and seek to strenghten other positions.

 

[Mcking]

Yeah if Ozil and Goretzka would be as good as Real's starters (which they aren't) we would just need two fullbacks like Carvajal and Marcelo, a new Ronaldo and we are just like them.

Meaning Rashford and Martial will be reduced to the Morata and Lucas Vazquez roles. No thanks.

 

[beingshe7don]

If we get Ozil, I don't see any other need for a 120m Dybala and vice-versa. Rather spend half or 2/3 of the Dybala fee on an actual winger and seek to strenghten other positions.

If not Dybala, I would take Pulisic/ Malcolm or Draxler for the RW. Dybala has put feelers out there of wanting to leave Juve and possibly joining up with Pogba.... But let's see what happens.