Well no, but he could still choose from a selection of clubs, and the only way we’re going to guarantee he’d come to us is by buying him on the cheap in Jan.
Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k
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I would like to know who those luxury passers are, Lord Orgazoid.
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Ozil is a 15 minute player you can’t start him in every match and certainly you can’t expect him to be involved for the full 90. Playing for Wenger has really hurt his reputation because Wenger has no clue how to use him. Even then he’s racked up the most assists over the last few years.
Expect to see Mourinho use him like he did for Madrid. He never really fit in at Arsenal but I mostly blame the manager for that.
Expect to see Mourinho use him like he did for Madrid. He never really fit in at Arsenal but I mostly blame the manager for that.
Mata and Mhiki.
They are technically fantastic but both players require the rest of the attack and midfield to play in a certain way.
Mata had the Chelsea attack essentially built around him (before Jose replaced Mata with Oscar and built the attack around Hazard instead).
Mhiki was a small part of a hard working Dortmind side. They were quick and industrious. They allowed him to roam about and then either burst into the area looking for a finish it stay up the pitch to provide support for the CF.
Neither one of Mata or Mhiki should be used on the right wing.
The only place for them is at No.10 and that usually means using whichever one of Mata or Mhiki is not playing No.10 on the right.
If we bought Ozil, Isco or Griezmann then the outcome would be the same: a square peg in a round hole on the right.
Our priority should be to buy a winger to feed the passers that we already have so that they are not so much of a luxury but actually a necessity.
"Lord Orgazoid"
He might well be.
But my point is that the No.10 position isn't a problem that needs addressing.
It's the right wing that needs adressing.
If we sign a pacey right winger, played Martial on the left and any on of Mata, Mhiki, Pogba, Herrera or Lingard in the center then we would have solved our problem.
Both #10 and RW are problem positions. Pogba and definitely Herrera are not #10s. Mkhi, Mata and Lingard are not good enough.
Ibra may be a stopgap for #10, but obviously we need an upgrade there too.
Fair enough.
I think that the players we have are worse right wingers than No.10s, hence my preference my signing a winger before a No.10.
If you consider where our real problems are, you surely can't come to any other conclusion than Ozil is not the answer, or even part of the answer.
I think even some who want to sign him know that too, but maybe think "well I'd take him on a free". But that wouldn't solve anything, and in fact may make matters worse.
I think even some who want to sign him know that too, but maybe think "well I'd take him on a free". But that wouldn't solve anything, and in fact may make matters worse.
I'd really prefer someone younger and I think he's already peaked, but I can't think of many great playmaking 10's just entering their prime years that are attainable. He'd be decent I guess.
Mata, I will agree to as he has like one assist this season, but Mkhi? Nah. His passing is not his even greatest strenght.Mata and Mhiki.
They are technically fantastic but both players require the rest of the attack and midfield to play in a certain way.
Mata had the Chelsea attack essentially built around him (before Jose replaced Mata with Oscar and built the attack around Hazard instead).
Mhiki was a small part of a hard working Dortmind side. They were quick and industrious. They allowed him to roam about and then either burst into the area looking for a finish it stay up the pitch to provide support for the CF.
Neither one of Mata or Mhiki should be used on the right wing.
The only place for them is at No.10 and that usually means using whichever one of Mata or Mhiki is not playing No.10 on the right.
If we bought Ozil, Isco or Griezmann then the outcome would be the same: a square peg in a round hole on the right.
Our priority should be to buy a winger to feed the passers that we already have so that they are not so much of a luxury but actually a necessity.
"Lord Orgazoid"
Ozil is not someone I would label as a luxury passer, more like a creative passer and we seriously lack creativity in the team. On many occasions this season, we have had someone making a very good run in behind, but the ball carrier can't pick him out.
Ozil won't impact our need for a right winger and it has to be noted that Mkhi played his best football at Dortmund as a right winger; Mata has played most of his games at RW too. We simply need a 10, it is obvious when you watch us play. It must not be Ozil, but we do need someone that can pick out passes from that position.
What are those real problems and what do you reckon are the answers?
People criticize his work rate rightfully so, but don't think Mourinho would allow that at all. Think you guys need another player that can create and link play just look what happened when you didn't have pogba. Think he would be a great signing for you.
15 months into Mourinho and you already consider creativity and vision a luxury...
I think we really need to upgrade on the No. 10 position, as sadly, Mikhi has not turned out to be the right answer for us. He is too soft, does not have enough pace or trickery and is quite inconsistent. For me, Ozil is again hit and miss and is more likely to be another Mikhi for us.
I think we should go for a 10 who is pacey, has trickery and can link play as well as score goals. Very few 10's that are attainable. If Woody is able to spin his magic and get us either Fekir or Dybala, we would have a menacing attack.
I think we should go for a 10 who is pacey, has trickery and can link play as well as score goals. Very few 10's that are attainable. If Woody is able to spin his magic and get us either Fekir or Dybala, we would have a menacing attack.
I'll take Ozil over Mata / Mhiki any day to be honest.
A no. 10 for United cant hide for weeks and then show up for a game and then hide again.
Ozil is an excellent player. But we should sign players that can give De Bryune a run for his money - not just in terms of dictating the play, but really affecting/deciding games week in and week out. Meanwhile also contributing defensively. Ozil is not that player.
Even if we sign him, he'd just be a stopgap singing.
Ozil is an excellent player. But we should sign players that can give De Bryune a run for his money - not just in terms of dictating the play, but really affecting/deciding games week in and week out. Meanwhile also contributing defensively. Ozil is not that player.
Even if we sign him, he'd just be a stopgap singing.
I won't argue that we need a No.10.
But if we are pinning our hopes for a right winger on Mhiki just because of that one decent season at Dortmund then I give up.
Would you sell either one of those if we signed Ozil?
yes. Mata has never cemented his place properly and whilst he's a good player, both being 29 and with Ozil having played under Jose at Real and has proven himself in the league, I'd be happy to sell Mata and take Ozil (Monreal 352km over the season, Ozil 319 followed by Xhaka, Sanchez, Koscielny). The whole argument he's lazy was blown away last season when he clocked by Opta that he was Arsenal's 2nd ranked player who covered the most distance during the 16/17 season. Plus I like the fact he's that much taller but is still left footed, plays brilliant balls etc. Sell Mata and sign Ozil for me is a no brainer.
Mhiki for me is a tough one to call. I know he's in his 2nd season but I still feel I want to give him one more season. The current rumours are worrying mind you about fitness etc, which is complexing when you look at how Dortmund played under klopp and he was a key player for them. Not sure what to make of that one
I won't argue that we need a RW.
But if we are pinning our hopes for a No.10 on Mkhi just because of the assists he got at the start of the season, then I give up.
The Mesut Ozil who was a stand-out in the Arsenal-Spurs game, signing him is a no brainer, but his tendency to go missing in games is a real minus point.
Mate, we could have just both agreed at the start that Mhiki solves none of our problems and is thus probably surplus to requirements.
This is the biggest problem with english football, fans, pundits managers etc they expect the number 10 to do the donkey work. A number 10 should be judged on the creating of chances and the fowards on how many goals they score not the number of tackles they make.
Now Sport, the other Catalan paper (afaik, neither Mundo Deportivo nor Sport are reliable), claim Ozil to Barcelona is close
Both local papers are unreliable and I don't believe he's ultimately the solution for what Barcelona need in midfield but it's a low risk fee for what would also be a short term contract
I'm sure all the Barcelona players can't wait to see his FA Cup medals.
Leaves Griezmann wide open for us.
Ozil wont join a side on a short term deal at 29, its a commitment that Barca are now making
Ozil wont join a side on a short term deal at 29, its a commitment that Barca are now making
Barcelona would be a smart move for him and it would save them the money they would need to spend on Coutinho.
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feck off barca
Still would prefer Coutinho over Mesut but an improbable transfer atm
Maybe he'll show messi what a world cup winning medal looks like.
Ozil and Pogba?
#AgentPI'd say after 2010 Messi was the only one in the dressing room without a World Cup Medal
I'v changed my mind I'm not convinced he's what we need. I don't think we need a number 10 but instead an all round CM who can rotate or sit next to Pogba.
Maybe we need both.
We played Newcastle and they cut us open a few times. A lot of that was down to the lack of balance when playing Mata-Rashford-Martial behind Lukaku which is something Jose mentioned openly. The lack of a proper 10 means that we're not getting the most out of Pogba as well. Newcastle caved, but better teams could well hold out. This is something you'll see as a bit of a pattern even in our early-season wins. We scored the bulk of goals when the opposition was chasing. Mkhi's struggled all season. He had a few "moments" in those games and racked up assists, but those moments are now not visible and the team suffers.
Of course, we could do with a backup for Pogba, but that doesn't mean we don't need a proper #10 - a player that can dominate and cut open teams. Rashford isn't that player (at least not yet) and his desire to take the ball and run is more suited to a striker / wide forward role than a central playmaker's. Mata is too lightweight and won't be trusted by Jose there (so no point debating) and if Mkhi hasn't made that role his in 18 months, I'm beginning to (sadly) admit that maybe (probably?) he never will. Leaves a gap there and whether Ozil or someone else, we'll need to fix it.
Every top team has a class (and permanent first-choice) player for that role. We shouldn't let a single good game against poor opponents convince us we're capable of doing otherwise.
I'd say after 2010 Messi was the only one in the dressing room without a World Cup Medal
Hate to break it to you but its 2017 and Paulinho is at Barca .....im sure Ozil will fit in fine with his medal haul.
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