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Do you want Ozil at Manchester United?

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Mcking said:
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Slightly misleading .
He has 3243 minutes. Mata+Mikhi have played 4052 minutes... and a bit of that together, ie, they havent played the same role as Ozil.
Its still better than those 2 combined, but that makes it sound like he has done twice as much.
 
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Footballsaurus said:
He seems to be denying a move and is furious with any of his close confidants for entertaining the idea. Could be his gabbing has lead to some upheavals at MU and Mourinho is trying to stop the ship from
sinking until he goes for Ozil.
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Literally makes no sense.

About him being 'furious' about the reports, that's what he should be saying. In reality, he isn't staying to rot at Arsenal to win feck all whilst having his reputation battered.

Ozil is a great player and it would be a damn shame if we did not go in for him.
 
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For all his flaws, he’s flat-out a better player than Mkhi or Mata. For that reason, I wouldn’t be opposed to his signing, especially given the cut price. He’s also not very dependent on his athleticism, so age is less a concern (he’s near Mkhi/Mata’s ages anyways).
 
I'd judge ozil and mkh and Mata until the end of the season to have any judgements of this situation.

Besides even though he comes here and we go for griezmann he won't be playing in his preferred position so there are too many factors to consider would he is a viable option or not.
 
Ozil for #10, Malcom (Bordeaux) for RW, and Aaron Martin Caricol (Espanyol) for LB. Less in signing on fees and transfer fees than what one of Griezmann or Dybala's transfer fees would be. Add TFM at RB and the team advances next year by a measure similar to this years advancement, IMO.
 
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Ozil for #10, Malcom (Bordeaux) for RW, and Aaron Martin Caricol (Espanyol) for LB. Less in signing on fees and transfer fees than what one of Griezmann or Dybala's transfer fees would be. Add TFM at RB and the team advances next year by a measure similar to this years advancement, IMO.
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United sign big names nowadays. Marquee signings. I watch a shit load of football and I have to say I have never heard of those two players before.

Money is not an issue for us. We would give 40m for Danny Rose without batting an eyelid. And probably 120m for Griezmann.

We don’t need to penny pinch when we’re the richest club in England. There is no point in trying hopelessly to sign “wonderkids” when we can convince the finished product to jump right in.
 
Mcking said:
Well, I couldn't disagree more. He definitely wouldn't slow the pace of our attack. He's got good pace for your normal playmaker and his speed of passing is bettered by few. You don't need all your attackers to be speedsters to have a quick attack. In fact, you need Ozil-like players more than anything for quick transistions. With him feeding our pacy forwards, our transistions will definitely be faster. On the bolded part, I don't really understand what you mean by that. He's created chances consistently for his teammates, its not his fault they don't take them. By the way, he's provided the most assists of any player since joining the EPL. I've never thought of a day I will have to debate Ozil's creative ability.
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Nice retort. I counter by echoing sentiments from other posters about the lack of ambition in signing a guy who will only get worse and is being dropped by Wenger.

As it happens, I don't mind Ozil at all but I do think he's not what we need when Mata and Mkhi are already in the squad.
 
The Midnight Rambler said:
Nice retort. I counter by echoing sentiments from other posters about the lack of ambition in signing a guy who will only get worse and is being dropped by Wenger.

As it happens, I don't mind Ozil at all but I do think he's not what we need when Mata and Mkhi are already in the squad.
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So what do you reckon we need?
 
Judas said:
He'd be reborn under Jose, massive improvement over what we have. Not sure what planet people are on when they say we don't need him.
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Can't start regularly for freefalling arsenal but is the player we need?
 
Judas said:
He'd be reborn under Jose, massive improvement over what we have. Not sure what planet people are on when they say we don't need him.
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Massive improvement is over-egging it. His creative output is slightly better than Mkhitaryan and Mata but equally, if we're going to the bother of addressing that position there are better alternatives out there.

Gambling our creative presence on the resurgence of a player under new management isn't the most sound transfer strategy.
 
CM10 said:
Massive improvement is over-egging it. His creative output is slightly better than Mkhitaryan and Mata but equally, if we're going to the bother of addressing that position there are better alternatives out there.

Gambling our creative presence on the resurgence of a player under new management isn't the most sound transfer strategy.
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Pull some facts to back that up, man.
 
Mcking said:
Pull some facts to back that up, man.
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Why does everything need to be justified by statistics? Context is just as important.

Like someone else mentioned, the graphic you've posted regarding chances created isn't nearly as impressive when you factor in game time.
 
CM10 said:
Why does everything need to be justified by statistics? Context is just as important.

Like someone else mentioned, the graphic you've posted regarding chances created isn't nearly as impressive when you factor in game time.
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Okay, I drop the case.
 
Judas said:
He'd be reborn under Jose, massive improvement over what we have. Not sure what planet people are on when they say we don't need him.
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Agree with this. Ozil at his best is definitely in a very different class to Mata and Mkhi. Looking at Ozil at Arsenal it’s so clear that Wenger doesn’t inspire or motivate him at all.

A new start at a club he could fall in love with, for a manager that gets the best out of him would be good for all sides.

If you look at our starting eleven he’d walk in, and it’s set up to complement him so well - Pogba and Mata behind him would release him, he’d have good wingers running the channels and would love working in tandem with Lukaku.

I can see it happening. Ozil will want it and if we offer anything decent in January the Arsenal board will have to accept it.
 
£15m in January would be worth it to win the league. Then we can focus on RW and LB in the summer.

Ok, i'm in. Let's go.
 
I can't see this. Ozil would be a big tactical problem for Mourinho. He does little defensively and Jose likes his Number 10's to do work defensively. He often shifted Ozil wide in big matches when he coached him at Real Madrid and Mourinho did not play Hazard in the No.10 role with Chelsea because of his lack of defensive effort. We have Mkhitaryan for that role and Lingard, intelligent players, not as creative as Ozil at his best but a better fit for the 4-2-3-1 system that Jose seems to prefer. Think this story is about creating pressure on Arsenal to meet Ozil's demands, I think Arsenal is still the best place for him because they will be willing to indulge him by changing formation or simply letting him have a free role to do as he pleases. His imply won't get that at any other top club in my opinion.
 
The Red Roman said:
I can't see this. Ozil would be a big tactical problem for Mourinho. He does little defensively and Jose likes his Number 10's to do work defensively. He often shifted Ozil wide in big matches when he coached him at Real Madrid.
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He would do the same here. In fact he’d probably spend more time playing from the right fighting Mata for that role.
 
Generally, I think Özil is a tremendous player with obvious downsides to his game. In a team with great tactical discipline he could easily be a difference maker. So Mourinho would be a great address for him. But what I don‘t get is how a midfield with him as a playmaker should work with you guys. Where would Pogba play? While different players, I do think Pogba and Özil are best utilized in similar spaces. Don‘t think there is that good of a way to have them both on the field.
 
vanrooney said:
2 goals and 7 assists in 12 games - not so bad for a player that is not united quality
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The stats glaze over how poor he's been imo,for a number ten,its alarming how many attacks break down because he picks the wrong option or just gives the ball away through poor control or a bad pass. A lot of his assists early season came after he'd been moved to the right during games,i think this is where he's better suited.

For me ozil would be a big upgrade over mickey in the number ten role and mickey would be an upgrade over mata on the right,so signing him would potentially improve 2 starting positions whilst giving us quality depth for either with mata.

Im in.
 
Jaybomb said:
United sign big names nowadays. Marquee signings. I watch a shit load of football and I have to say I have never heard of those two players before.

Money is not an issue for us. We would give 40m for Danny Rose without batting an eyelid. And probably 120m for Griezmann.

We don’t need to penny pinch when we’re the richest club in England. There is no point in trying hopelessly to sign “wonderkids” when we can convince the finished product to jump right in.
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Well evidently, you don't watch as much as you think then. I don't watch all that much and even I'm well aware of who both those players are.
 
HTG said:
Generally, I think Özil is a tremendous player with obvious downsides to his game. In a team with great tactical discipline he could easily be a difference maker. So Mourinho would be a great address for him. But what I don‘t get is how a midfield with him as a playmaker should work with you guys. Where would Pogba play? While different players, I do think Pogba and Özil are best utilized in similar spaces. Don‘t think there is that good of a way to have them both on the field.
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Not sure where you get this from. Pogba is at his best as an all round midfielder and tends to play a little to the left. Özil is best at number 10 or the old "inside right" position Mata currently occupies.
 
Nuts said:
Agree with this. Ozil at his best is definitely in a very different class to Mata and Mkhi. Looking at Ozil at Arsenal it’s so clear that Wenger doesn’t inspire or motivate him at all.

A new start at a club he could fall in love with, for a manager that gets the best out of him would be good for all sides.

If you look at our starting eleven he’d walk in, and it’s set up to complement him so well - Pogba and Mata behind him would release him, he’d have good wingers running the channels and would love working in tandem with Lukaku.

I can see it happening. Ozil will want it and if we offer anything decent in January the Arsenal board will have to accept it.
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Starting to agree with this kind of sentiment. Seems worth the risk, relatively inexpensive if it fails
 
T00lsh3d said:
Starting to agree with this kind of sentiment. Seems worth the risk, relatively inexpensive if it fails
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Well his wages are a lot. To anyone who doubts he could come good at United again I’d say look at the Matic signing.

Signing out of favour 29 year olds and instantly resurrecting them is a Mourinho specialty.
 
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Firstly I hope you're wrong about Zlatan. One more season. At least!
I think there's plenty of experience in the team. Next season will be De Gea 8th season at the club. Jones: 8th. Smalling, 9th. Valencia, 10th. Mata has more than 10 years in top flight. Pogba since 2011, Lukaku since 2009. Matic has been around the block. Mkhitaryan nearly 10 years as pro. Rojo and Blind ditto. We have a good team with plenty of experience. For me it's just not an issue.
I don't entirely agree that Ozil is in absolute prime, I think that was Real Madrid. Age 22-5. His technique is excellent though and he's still very good. His game relies on high work rate rather than pace, yes.
I think it's happening anyway, and I'll support him for sure. I'm not claiming it's a total disaster. As you say his style could very well suit us provided we can get the ball to him.
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Agreed. I was simply stating that it's not necessarily better to buy only young players, when the older ones either retire. The best teams always have a balance of experience and youth. Also, in terms of our attack: Martial, Lukaku and Rashford are all relatively young and may well have inconsistent patches. Saying that, Ozil is probably not the first name that pops up when I want a consistent performer.
It's also difficult to say if he's peaked or not, as the teams he's played for compete in different leagues and are incomparable in terms of quality (arguably his stats during his last season at Bremen and 15-16 at Arsenal were at a similar level to his seasons at Madrid). His performances for Germany, since he's joined Arsenal, also suggests that he's still the same player (if not better), but he just doesn't perform anywhere near as well, due to the differences in tactics and team quality.
If we get him, I reckon he's going to surprise a good few like Matic has so far this season.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Well evidently, you don't watch as much as you think then. I don't watch all that much and even I'm well aware of who both those players are.
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It seems you have a thing for Bordeaux and Espanyol?
 
Jaybomb said:
United sign big names nowadays. Marquee signings. I watch a shit load of football and I have to say I have never heard of those two players before.

Money is not an issue for us. We would give 40m for Danny Rose without batting an eyelid. And probably 120m for Griezmann.

We don’t need to penny pinch when we’re the richest club in England. There is no point in trying hopelessly to sign “wonderkids” when we can convince the finished product to jump right in.
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Wouldnt say Bailly, Martial, Lindelof and Mkhitaryan were 'big' names or marquee signings. Both names mentioned (Malcolm & Caricol) wouldn't be marquee signings either but could have just as much impact as the names I've mentioned. I'd say the only marquee names we've signed in the past 2 summers are Pogba, Ibrahimovic and Matic.

We can't carry on buying the finished product as that generally means they're either entering or in their peak, meaning once they regress we need to replace them, which doesn't make sense financially. There's nothing wrong with buying young, upcoming players as it gives the coaching team the ability to mould the player just suit their tactics etc. Itd also mean the younger player wouldn't need replacing for a good 10+ years, unless they're sold or fail to make the impact expected, like Memphis and possibly Shaw.
 
a yes for me though we might pay 15 million or so

Mhiki has been very disappointing the last few weeks and despite his lack of hunger recently Ozil is a more productive player

competition in the squad results in better performances
 
Jaybomb said:
United sign big names nowadays. Marquee signings. I watch a shit load of football and I have to say I have never heard of those two players before.

Money is not an issue for us. We would give 40m for Danny Rose without batting an eyelid. And probably 120m for Griezmann.

We don’t need to penny pinch when we’re the richest club in England. There is no point in trying hopelessly to sign “wonderkids” when we can convince the finished product to jump right in.
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It isn't about pinching pennies, it's about building a 4-2-3-1 that provides the best support for the 1, which is the primary scoring threat in JM's favored 4-2-3-1. Malcom plays RW as I would dream of Mata playing RW in support of primary scoring threat Lukaku. Caricol plays as I would dream of Shaw playing in support of primary goal scoring threat Lukaku. Ozil plays as I dream of Mhki playing in support of primary scoring threat Lukaku.

Greizmann and Dybala are valued as they are because they are dynamic goal scorers from a secondary striker role that isn't dependent on the striker scoring by far the most goals. It defies common sense to spend 120 million pounds on a secondary striker unless you are going to use an attack that features a secondary striker.
 
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haram said:
Was it that Arsene couldn't make him 'track back' or did he tell him not to in certain areas? Ozil still clocked up KM's. There is no point in him running around for no reason.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....zil-stat-that-proves-hes-not-at-all-lazy/amp/
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No he has to run around and cover every position and like a headless chicken to make up for everyone else's faults. Then and only then will he achieve the legendary "grafter" accolade.

He's just another scape goat for lazy minds. He's not the sole reason for Arsenals issues as the facts suggest he's still fixing the same output but the team are not capitalising on his end product as they have been. The team/players are out of sync with each other.
 
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It's interesting that he seems to have been creating chances at roughly the same rate but had better numbers in the final third under Mourinho. I imagine part of it is obviously how good Ronaldo was, but Lukaku and Martial/Rashford are hardly that wasteful, so might be a good addition at the right pass; as much as I like Mkhi, he loses the ball a LOT, and Ozil would definitely be an improvement on that front. His rumoured wage demands at Arsenal are a cause for concern, though.
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Yes it would be nice to have someone who has high chance creation output and can retain possession/recycle the ball if need be rather than what we seem to have which is either crest a chance or loose it even before a chance is created
 
vanrooney said:
2 goals and 7 assists in 12 games - not so bad for a player that is not united quality
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Stats are nonsense he has been pony
Most of those assists were when we were 2 or 3 up

In a tight game he is not up to it based on his last year
 
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