That's a bit of exaggeration.
In 2015/2016 he recorded 19 assists in the league alone, with 6 goals scored as well.
His form dropped last season only.
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That's a bit of exaggeration.
In 2015/2016 he recorded 19 assists in the league alone, with 6 goals scored as well.
His form dropped last season only.
Does he not have the most assists & chances created in the league since he joined Arsenal? That's without a top class striker too. If that's average I'm fine with it.
I'm not sure you know the meaning of the word average.
He's a slight upgrade on Mata. Not the player United needs really.
Thats a very helpfull trick actually now i just imagine someone from mortal kombat hitting a racist white guy
If we go 3-4-3, I don't see why Jose wouldn't be able to fit both Ozil and Griezmann in the same team:
---------Lukaku-----Griezmann---------
-----------------Ozil---------------------
Young----Pogba-----Matic-----Valencia
-------Jones---Lindelof---Baily----------
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Rashford and Martial will have to rotate.
---------Lukaku-----Griezmann---------
-----------------Ozil---------------------
Young----Pogba-----Matic-----Valencia
-------Jones---Lindelof---Baily----------
------------------DDG-------------------
Rashford and Martial will have to rotate.
He will be the next rvp if he signs. Simple as. Assists with 6-10 goals in a league he's proven he can handle at the age of 28...yes his attitude looks bad but we all handle things differently and he knows he'll be signing for a bigger and better club.
Mata off though buy if we got 30m for Mata and ozil on a free who would not take that
Mata off though buy if we got 30m for Mata and ozil on a free who would not take that
Feck me, so you’d displace both Rashford and Martial for a player who has been underperforming since he joined Arsenal despite, at times, being given complete offensive and creative freedom?
Displacing them makes no sense since Ozil plays in a different position to them. It must be some people's obsession with hipster formations and how they would be 'perfect'.
Yes it does. Or are we just pretending Ozil isn’t coming in for someone? It’s not a difficult concept.
What the feck does that even mean? I’ve literally made no mention of formation.
“I’m not replacing you Wife, I’m just divorcing you and getting a girlfriend.” I’ll give it a go.
Neither Martial nor Rashford is a number 10. In a 3-4-3, Griezmann would displace one of them. All I'm saying is that it is possible for Jose to fit both Ozil and Griezmann, albeit at the expense of Martial and Rashford. To be honest, we could play 4-3-3 as well with Griezmann coming in from the right wing forward role, and one of Rashford or Martial at the left wing forward.
Based on their time in the premier league, you would have to put Ozil in the bracket of top 4 or 5 players in his position. Hard to say no to a player of that ability. I'd rather us just look elsewhere but if he's on a free and more importantly motivated to win the league I'm for it
I don’t see why we would replace two of our biggest and most effective talents for a player Arsenal fans can’t even collectively rate. Then again i don’t really understand the avid rating of the player by so many on here. He’s been almost constantly criticised since his arrival at Arsenal.
Our performances against lower opppositon havent been a problem for us; if anything we need someone who is going to be more effective in the big games. Ozil is not that player.
Agreed. I'm hoping this isn't going to happen.
In reply to the various posters above, I don't mean "Tom Cleverley average". United this season seem already capable of beating up teams in position 7-20. I refer to making a difference in the big games, which, for all his undoubted talent, I have not seen at Arsenal. If we are going to give a senior player a long-term, big money contract, then I am not convinced he is the man.
In fairness, "he's been average for a couple years now" and "he doesn't make a difference in big games" are pretty different statements
In fairness, "he's been average for a couple years now" and "he doesn't make a difference in big games" are pretty different statements
Not for the type of wages being quoted. If we go in for him (and I admit he is a wonderfully talented player when he is in the mood), then it is to push us to the next level so we can genuinely compete for the top prizes. I don't want some on north of 200k a week who does some lovely through ball against West Ham but goes missing against City or Real Madrid.
I could see this happening in that Mourinho must be getting annoyed that Mkhitaryan doesn't create as many chances on the break as Ozil would.
But does anyone seriously see us winning the Champions league with Ozil and Lukaku as a front pairing? That would put a ton of stress on Pogba, Matic and the wingers. We're basically talking about a 1990s style United team but with strikers on the wing in Martial and Rashford instead of classic wingers better at operating from deep and starting attacks like Beckham, Giggs and Kanchelskis.
We'd surely be better off getting a star right winger and letting Mata, Mkhitaryan, Fellaini (specific games, look at what Llorente just did to bully Madrid) and Pereira fight for the 10 role and just play Herrera a bit more often to go 4-3-3 and let Rashford, Martial and this new winger push further up the pitch where they need to be anyways, as they are vertical players who are really quite bad at finding spaces in congested midfields.
TLDR: Ozil in and one of Mata or Mkhitaryan out makes sense if Mourinho thinks it will edge out the Prem, but it's not going to help us crack the top 6 Champions league contenders and might really hurt us.
But does anyone seriously see us winning the Champions league with Ozil and Lukaku as a front pairing? That would put a ton of stress on Pogba, Matic and the wingers. We're basically talking about a 1990s style United team but with strikers on the wing in Martial and Rashford instead of classic wingers better at operating from deep and starting attacks like Beckham, Giggs and Kanchelskis.
We'd surely be better off getting a star right winger and letting Mata, Mkhitaryan, Fellaini (specific games, look at what Llorente just did to bully Madrid) and Pereira fight for the 10 role and just play Herrera a bit more often to go 4-3-3 and let Rashford, Martial and this new winger push further up the pitch where they need to be anyways, as they are vertical players who are really quite bad at finding spaces in congested midfields.
TLDR: Ozil in and one of Mata or Mkhitaryan out makes sense if Mourinho thinks it will edge out the Prem, but it's not going to help us crack the top 6 Champions league contenders and might really hurt us.
If we are going for him, then Jose knows what he is doing. Players can't rest on their laurels under him and everyone pretty much knows that when Ozil is arsed, he plays wonderfully. None of the Arsenal players have any fire in them this season. Ozil on a free is a no brainer given that he doesn't hinder us making a move for Griez.
Just do that and we can have one of the cheapest transfer windows in the clubs history, especially given you think we can play that system without adding two top end wingbacks.
Balance out for transfer fee. 200k per week for few years would be cheaper than buying sime uncertain quality paying 30mil+ and 100k+ per week
Of course, but I have doubts about Ozil's top level (certainly in terms of motivation) at the age of 29 (particularly when he has played for Real Madrid after which any club is effectively a step down). I'd rather gamble big money on a younger player.
Can Jose make him track back because Arsene couldnt.
Well, we could solve all the problem positions in our team without spending a penny. LB? Ghoulam. RW? Robben. CM? Goretzka. AM? Ozil. We should have a look at Lionel Messi too, Barcelona's left footed forward. He's scored 11 league goals this season. The downside is he's a bit short for Jose and doesn't do a lot of defensive work, but I think he's worth a punt. He will solve our playmaking problems and pop up with a lot of goals too.
There's no such thing as a free transfer.
This is going to happen. Chelsea under Mourinho in 2006 spent big money on Shevchenko and Ballack, both of whom were 30 years old. I was glad it was Chelsea and not us. But now it's us.
Free transfers and football fans, guy is a symbol of what is everything wrong with Arsenal, zero bones but because he is on free of transfer, people lap it up. Lets ignore wages and signing fee, agent fee etc.
Stick to plan A. Griezmann. Sanchez, on the other hand, would be a great addition.
See I just view this way of thinking a complete misconception. The world doesn't revolve around United and today's day and age in football where very little true loyalty is displayed from player-to-club, you have to applaud AG's decision to stay to help Atletico out. That's really why it hasn't happened now and not some sort of trick question, pretty straight forward actually.
Was it that Arsene couldn't make him 'track back' or did he tell him not to in certain areas? Ozil still clocked up KM's. There is no point in him running around for no reason.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....zil-stat-that-proves-hes-not-at-all-lazy/amp/
Looking at % for Ozil, shows CAF in a nutshell, last few years he was mocked here, this picture being posted multiple times
Suddenly, he is on a "free" and positive stats started flying around i mean
Suddenly, he is on a "free" and positive stats started flying around i mean
Seems like you misunderstood me.
Ozil can slot in to the no.10 spot in place of Mkhitaryan, no need to sacrifice Rashford or Martial.
The formation comment was regarding playing 3-4-3 (it wasnt you who said it, but the poster you were replying to), which seems to be a way to be different for the sake of it.
I don't argue signing a potential player may be more better benefit in case they turned out to be better in later years. The thing is our squad need immediate quality and we have quite many young players yet to peak as well as it doesn't stop us from signing a youngster paying Ozil wage.
There are tough games that ain't qualified as big games like this past Benfica away game, which we definitely prefer being able to win the game more comfortable by having 2+ goal cushion. Mata did decent but not enough to offer that edge. Mkhi was yet again bad. This wastes Lukaku's goal scoring ability was he has insufficient service. That extra edge may not
If you want almost guarantee quality in big game, then prepare to close 100m in this market. And Ozil was not exactly the worst player in big games from Arsenal team. They expect a big player by the fee they paid, not that it's always who Ozil is, even at his best. Give him realistic expectation and role, and motivation, he is quite good. For many invisible big game performance, he still got some good performance here in their in these fixture that never got mentioned: Chelsea in FA cup final last season, Chelsea earlier last season, City from second half onward in FA semi final and other games vs City in period of between 2014 and mid 2016, vs us in LVG second season, some Tottenham derbies ...
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Its a question of who you prefer out of Mata, mhiki and ozil, if he's an upgrade on one of them, then undoubtedly you take him.
Really dont fancy this one at all
Oh hell no. If Ozil is the answer then we're asking the wrong questions.
Our best form this season has been quick play with a mobile Mkhi enjoying the supply from Pogba. Ozil (assuming he's a Mkhi replacement of course) would slow the pace of our attack and certainly make any press from the front less dynamic. He'll be bypassed. Even on his bad recent form, Mkhi gets back to fill a defensive structure, Ozil just won't do that often enough.
Plus, I've yet to be convinced of his creative play. Seems to me it's dried up since he didn't have the great Cristiano converting his every pass....
Our best form this season has been quick play with a mobile Mkhi enjoying the supply from Pogba. Ozil (assuming he's a Mkhi replacement of course) would slow the pace of our attack and certainly make any press from the front less dynamic. He'll be bypassed. Even on his bad recent form, Mkhi gets back to fill a defensive structure, Ozil just won't do that often enough.
Plus, I've yet to be convinced of his creative play. Seems to me it's dried up since he didn't have the great Cristiano converting his every pass....
The most powerful word in the English language is 'Free'. There is something very appealing about a free transfer. I would take Ghoulam and Goretzka on a free, hell I would actually pay for them as they are good. Messi might be good coming off the bench for when Fellaini and Lingard need a break but I worry because he's not premiership proven and may struggle to cope with tough away trips to Stoke etc. BTW someone should do a post on the best team/squad made entirely of free players.
There's a thread for that.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/free-transfer-galore-from-january-and-onwards.432155/
Obviously you have to pay all that but we'd still be paying less than what we'd normally be paying for this player.
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