Thats the fecking point, we would never pay a money for this player. Even without agent and signing fee, he is not a worth of wages.
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Thats the fecking point, we would never pay a money for this player. Even without agent and signing fee, he is not a worth of wages.
It seemed like you were just pointing out that he is not actually free. It makes sense, though, that if you can get a player for less, he will be more appealing. That's why I didn't think it mattered that you still had to pay wages and signing fee etc.
Well, I couldn't disagree more. He definitely wouldn't slow the pace of our attack. He's got good pace for your normal playmaker and his speed of passing is bettered by few. You don't need all your attackers to be speedsters to have a quick attack. In fact, you need Ozil-like players more than anything for quick transistions. With him feeding our pacy forwards, our transistions will definitely be faster. On the bolded part, I don't really understand what you mean by that. He's created chances consistently for his teammates, its not his fault they don't take them. By the way, he's provided the most assists of any player since joining the EPL. I've never thought of a day I will have to debate Ozil's creative ability.
Arsenal want £20m for a player that's free in six months.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Ozil slow play down
Do people watch matches? Sound like weak, thin technical player are now all classified into Berbatov categories without even a thought? Same go for big guy is slow at everything, which Lukaku was said have slow running speed.Ozil is as useless as Michki on his bad day defensively. Both is irrelevant defensively, so you can only judge on attacking quality. It's a myth that Ozil creativity has dried up without Ronaldo. If anything, supporting Welbeck in many occasion and boast this stats is quite impressive. Kagawa couldn't assist for shite having that kind of finisher downgrading from Lewandolski. Why pointing fingers at play maker when forwards can't convert chance? Perhaps, we should again blame Messi for Higuain bottle chances?
City is signing young guns like Sane and Jesus, Bernardo. Do you seriously think we compete by signing players past their peak? I'd like to see us build a great team, not just patchwork with stopgaps.Ozil slow play down
Ozil is as useless as Michki on his bad day defensively. Both is irrelevant defensively, so you can only judge on attacking quality. It's a myth that Ozil creativity has dried up without Ronaldo. If anything, supporting Welbeck in many occasion and boast this stats is quite impressive. Kagawa couldn't assist for shite having that kind of finisher downgrading from Lewandolski. Why pointing fingers at play maker when forwards can't convert chance? Perhaps, we should again blame Messi for Higuain bottle chances?
We signed Lukaku, Pogba, Bailly, Lindelof while already have Rashford Martial. And it's not like City using all their young players every game. The Silva they used more often is the ancient Silva. If anything, their backbone is pretty the fundamental of good football team with seasoned and peak players.
Edit: Remember we're looking for to recruit quite few highly rated players for academy too.
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City signed Nolito in the exact same summer that they signed Jesus and Sane.
Not one of those players will have a peak like Ozil's. People seem to have forgotten how much we wanted him here back then. He was a world class player who has been mismanaged and played for a spineless team where they cannot afford a 'luxury player' who can perform magic like Ozil can. Bring him in, put Matic and Pogba behind him and Lukaku in front and within a month he'll be the player we(some of us at least) remember from Madrid and Germany.
It's interesting that he seems to have been creating chances at roughly the same rate but had better numbers in the final third under Mourinho. I imagine part of it is obviously how good Ronaldo was, but Lukaku and Martial/Rashford are hardly that wasteful, so might be a good addition at the right pass; as much as I like Mkhi, he loses the ball a LOT, and Ozil would definitely be an improvement on that front. His rumoured wage demands at Arsenal are a cause for concern, though.
Ah I see. Then in that case excuse my brashness, I thought it was a slight directed at me. I agree wholeheartedly.
If this is happening i'd get behind it, Mourinho could get more out of him than hes currently producing, but it does make you think.
Last game or two for example, where the team were not functioning in an attacking sense, would he be able to influence things, you get the feeling the answer is probably no. In those types of performances anyway. He seems to need a team thats functional and on top in a match to perform at his best.
In the Benfica match, he might have slipped in an extra ball for a good chance over the 90mins but thats about it. He's not somone who would have put the team on his shoulders and pulled our attacking play up a notch over the course of the game.
Someone is bound to say well, he'd still be better than Mikhi in that game, yeah, but lets be honest that wouldnt be difficult, to be an improvment on utterly useless.
Last game or two for example, where the team were not functioning in an attacking sense, would he be able to influence things, you get the feeling the answer is probably no. In those types of performances anyway. He seems to need a team thats functional and on top in a match to perform at his best.
In the Benfica match, he might have slipped in an extra ball for a good chance over the 90mins but thats about it. He's not somone who would have put the team on his shoulders and pulled our attacking play up a notch over the course of the game.
Someone is bound to say well, he'd still be better than Mikhi in that game, yeah, but lets be honest that wouldnt be difficult, to be an improvment on utterly useless.
The Benfica keeper was clearly having trouble with shots from distance and Ozil has a wicked good shot from distance. It's easy to see Ozil making a difference in place of Mhki.
Maybe he wasn't even that terrible last season as well. Also recorded 9 assists in the league.
Yes, we signed Pogba and Lukaku and that is good. We have 2 match winners and a great opportunity to build around them. As long as it's done right.
The seasoned City players that provide backbone are long term players for them. I'm not suggesting we get rid of our stalwarts either.
Good luck to the highly rated academy players. With patchwork veterans being brought in at every opportunity, they're going to need it.
After watching him in 2010 WC I wanted him too. I watched quite a lot of him at Madrid and he was awesome. But we need a team to move forward with. Young players with something to prove, to build and add some team spirit. It feels a bit mercenary, and I don't think it will get us trophies.
Any substance to this or just made up stuff?
I've crapped on Ozil for his failures in big matches for Arsenal, but he did produce the goods in big matches for Madrid under Mourinho and has for Germany so he has it in him to do so. I think he needs a manager to bring the best out of him, which Wenger has been incapable of.
In terms of quality I think he brings more to the table than Mkhi and Mata, especially on the counter and in playing passes to forward runners where they can attack defenders in isolation quickly.
In terms of quality I think he brings more to the table than Mkhi and Mata, especially on the counter and in playing passes to forward runners where they can attack defenders in isolation quickly.
We have very young players up front that sometimes lack consistency and experience. You always need experience heads in a team and with Zlatan and Carrick likely leaving at the end of the season, the experience of Ozil wouldn't be that bad of a thing.
I agree with you in that I prefer buying younger players, but that's more to do with investing money, with the player retaining a reasonable market value in say 3 years after his purchase. That wouldn't be a problem if Ozil is coming for free. If anything, at 29 we would be buying a player in his peak with the only real risk being the wages he demands. Also, considering Ozil's play style, I can see him playing at a similar level into his mid 30's due to him not being particularly reliant on pace, but more on technique. I'm not sure the same can be said about other player like Sanchez though.
Ozil's ability hasnot been questioned. His atttude and effort is.In my view he will help us in certain matches as he is a difference maker but i dont think it will be a loss if we dont sign him.
Sometimes it can be better to look for young creative players with no baggage.
Sometimes it can be better to look for young creative players with no baggage.
German media seems to be pretty sure.
Surely that's not true. There are several comments on here that have stated that they don't want him here as he's past his best and he's on the decline. Many also want Sanchez, but ignore that he's been just as bad attitude wise. Well, I guess an argument could be made for Sanchez being really passionate, but I don't think there's an excuse for laughing on multiple occasions when opposition teams score against Arsenal.
If you follow Arsenal then you know that Ozil is an automatic starter for Wenger, but he has been 'ill' then 'injured' then dropped by Wenger this season.
I think his form has dropped off because he doesnt want to play for them anymore.
Lots of talk about it here too but they're just copying other media.
Oh yeah sure. Another footballer using us as a means for an improved contract.
I really doubt that. It’s clear as day he would be willing to leave Arsenal if given a better opportunity
i hope this happens
Well then a desperate attempt to keep his wages at around his current one then.
Because who else would be stupid enough to pay what he's earning now when he's been crap for almost two years?
His team? Yes. He himself? Nope. As I said months ago: he makes good teams even better, but he doesn’t thrive in dysfunctional teams. Arsenal was a wrong choice for sure.
If you don’t want him, I‘m happy to take him at Bayern.
He's an upgrade on Mkhi and Mata.
But I'd rather Griezmann over Ozil.
But I'd rather Griezmann over Ozil.
Firstly I hope you're wrong about Zlatan. One more season. At least!
I think there's plenty of experience in the team. Next season will be De Gea 8th season at the club. Jones: 8th. Smalling, 9th. Valencia, 10th. Mata has more than 10 years in top flight. Pogba since 2011, Lukaku since 2009. Matic has been around the block. Mkhitaryan nearly 10 years as pro. Rojo and Blind ditto. We have a good team with plenty of experience. For me it's just not an issue.
I don't entirely agree that Ozil is in absolute prime, I think that was Real Madrid. Age 22-5. His technique is excellent though and he's still very good. His game relies on high work rate rather than pace, yes.
I think it's happening anyway, and I'll support him for sure. I'm not claiming it's a total disaster. As you say his style could very well suit us provided we can get the ball to him.
Would be a clear upgrade on both Mata and Mkhi, especially Mkhi.
Arsenal can feck off with their £20m valuation though.
Arsenal can feck off with their £20m valuation though.
Surely there's no way Wenger could survive losing Ozil and Sanchez for free, the fans would riot.
They will go for free though I think. They are not sure of top 4 and their european chances are from Europa league which is tough at latter stages and without ozil and Sanchez they might not win that too.
https://sport.sky.de/fussball/artik...nited-real-oder-barca-in-frage/11089587/33895
Kai Psotta (German journalist, worked with Özil for his autobiograpy and is still in close contact to Özil) says
- He would only leave Arsenal for Manchester United, Real Madrid or Barca
- So far nothing is decided on his future regardless of the Daily Mirror article (He only talks with 2-3 people about his future......that he has told his team-mates at Arsenal about his future is just bullshit)
- He loves London and lives now in a house since a few months.....that isn't a sign that he wants to leave Arsenal or London
- But there are no contract negotiations between Arsenal and Özil since March
- Özil is frustrated with Arsenal's transfer policy
- Özil and Mourinho have a special relationship.......both would love it to be at the same club again......Mourinho is Özil's favourite coach.
Kai Psotta (German journalist, worked with Özil for his autobiograpy and is still in close contact to Özil) says
- He would only leave Arsenal for Manchester United, Real Madrid or Barca
- So far nothing is decided on his future regardless of the Daily Mirror article (He only talks with 2-3 people about his future......that he has told his team-mates at Arsenal about his future is just bullshit)
- He loves London and lives now in a house since a few months.....that isn't a sign that he wants to leave Arsenal or London
- But there are no contract negotiations between Arsenal and Özil since March
- Özil is frustrated with Arsenal's transfer policy
- Özil and Mourinho have a special relationship.......both would love it to be at the same club again......Mourinho is Özil's favourite coach.
I agree that he could well be an upgrade on Mkhi but in truth that bar isn't particularly high, but the concern is he'll be seen as this marquee addition, and we will then bypass other more substantial and longer term options, while settling on a player who has been at best flaky and at worst a complete coward.
I think there's a pretty good chance this one happens and I know some will point to Matic as Mourinho reigniting his former player at United, so I'll just hope it comes off, but with so many good options it's hard to be remotely enthusiastic about signing Ozil after what he's shown at Arsenal when it's gotten tough.
Not sure about that Messi lad, heard he's not keen on facing the Stoke savages on a cold Tuesday in November!
You do realize Ozil has been at Arsenal much longer and has been starting much more often then any of the MU squad players? What is it his 4th year? You do realize he is on a much more established Arsenal team versus the MU team? Does Ozil's agent pay you by any chance?
He seems to be denying a move and is furious with any of his close confidants for entertaining the idea. Could be his gabbing has lead to some upheavals at MU and Mourinho is trying to stop the ship from
sinking until he goes for Ozil.
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By the way, here is the source for Ozil denying the move and being furious:
https://www.google.com/amp/metro.co...ch-arsenal-for-manchester-united-7016165/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/metro.co...ch-arsenal-for-manchester-united-7016165/amp/
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