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Do you want Ozil at Manchester United?

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I see many on here keep referencing Ozil as world class. Is he really?

I'm not disputing that at his best, especially at Madrid, he was world class and probably the best 10/playmaker in the game. He's still performing much better for Germany, than for Arsenal too, mainly based on what I read as I don't watch Germany that often.

But has he really been world class for the last few years at Arsenal, for him to be labelled world class, still? Lay the blame at Wenger's door all you like, but the player also needs to take responsibility for his performances and attitude.

Personally, I voted No, but I'd back the signing if Mourinho wanted him, and at his best, he is an upgrade on both Mkhi and Mata. If anyone can get Ozil back to his best, I'd trust Jose to.
 
Ozil,Mata,Mikhi all three upto some extent aren't exactly the sort of players who can do that bit of magic out of nothing(Mikhi has had a couple of those moments but he is inconsistent) and do something special especially in matches which are cagey or we play on the back foot like against Liverpool last week,someone like Coutinho,Hazard or De bruyne off late. Ozil is great no doubt but can he be a game changer for us.Anyway if Mourinho is interested in signing Ozil then i am all for it because i Trust Mourinho,he knows his Shit.
 
Escobar said:
No thanks. Let's focus on another player
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Who? Like I said earlier, United fans live in this fantasy bubble where they think either Dybala wants to join them or Griezmann is an absolute shoe-in.
 
rampo said:
I completely agree. Ozil is an upgrade on both Mata and Mkhi for sure. And I don't see Mata staying beyond next summer

Also, Zlatan and Ozil - two world class players - coming in during December will give the squad a huge boost
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Isn't he coming in the summer?
 
DannyCAFC said:
Who? Like I said earlier, United fans live in this fantasy bubble where they think either Dybala wants to join them or Griezmann is an absolute shoe-in.
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No offense or anything but were you living under a rock or something over the Summer? Everyone and their dog knew AG was all but on his way to United but the Atletico transfer ban held up the inevitable move. Like, how is that even close to being fantasy? It was as close to a done deal as there gets lol
 
Ozil might get a contract signed in January that takes effect in July but I don't see Wenger releasing Ozil from his current contract or selling him for less than 40m pounds. It's going to be one of those "over my dead body" things.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Who? Like I said earlier, United fans live in this fantasy bubble where they think either Dybala wants to join them or Griezmann is an absolute shoe-in.
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Lemar is a fantastic player with huge upside. He's the kind of skilled ball player that Man city sign up. Can play wing or centrally and good with either foot. The only problem is the price. Jean Seri is also a good player and wouldn't cost the earth. Both Seri and Lemar are also decent defensively. Savic is more of a box to box midfielder but could play as a 10. Savic is a more direct physical player rather than a finesse player sort of like a more skilful and mobile version of Fellaini. There are definitely better options than Ozil but the main attraction of Ozil is he's skilful and free.
 
finneh said:
With the wages and signing on fee he'd be wanting he definitely wouldn't be "on a free".

He'll cost £70m+ over a 4 year deal by which time he'll be 33 and even slower and lazier than he is now.

If I were giving an Arsenal player that kind of sum over the next 4 years it's a no brainer to go for Sanchez.
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This a million times
 
finneh said:
With the wages and signing on fee he'd be wanting he definitely wouldn't be "on a free".

He'll cost £70m+ over a 4 year deal by which time he'll be 33 and even slower and lazier than he is now.

If I were giving an Arsenal player that kind of sum over the next 4 years it's a no brainer to go for Sanchez.
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No way would he be on at least £336K per week if he came here. Zlatan wasn’t even on that.
 
finneh said:
He'll cost £70m+ over a 4 year deal by which time he'll be 33 and even slower and lazier than he is now.
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Sounds oddly similar to the vast chunk of people who were against getting Matic and we all know how that's turned out.


Aka José gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to former players, especially ones he's had perform at a world class level while being on absolute top form.
 
finneh said:
With the wages and signing on fee he'd be wanting he definitely wouldn't be "on a free".

He'll cost £70m+ over a 4 year deal by which time he'll be 33 and even slower and lazier than he is now.

If I were giving an Arsenal player that kind of sum over the next 4 years it's a no brainer to go for Sanchez.
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Needham said:
This a million times
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I have seen these types of posts before about other players which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Where you pull the "£336k" figure from (I assume out of the same place that you pulled out this idiotic argument from) God only knows.

He would be a 100% FREE SIGNING as in NO TRANSFER FEE. I don't think anyone has ever in the history of even the worst football forums with the worst posters, ever suggested that a player would play for free with no wages.

Talk about strawman :lol:
 
Just because he now seems to have downed tools at the Arse, doesn't mean he wouldn't knuckle down if he came to us.

My only concern is rocking the boat with current over-staffing issues in this area..
 
VancouverUtdFan said:
No offense or anything but were you living under a rock or something over the Summer? Everyone and their dog knew AG was all but on his way to United but the Atletico transfer ban held up the inevitable move. Like, how is that even close to being fantasy? It was as close to a done deal as there gets lol
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That was last summer though. It's by no means inevitable that we will still get him. Lots of factors could scupper a deal now. That's why he is by no means a shoe in to join us like some fans think. I'd say it's still likely but who knows what's going on behind the scenes .
 
I can't get over how insipid Ozil is when the going gets tough. He's a fine player and Jose knows his nature and were he to take a punt on him would surely have a man-management plan to keep his head straight, but something tells me his character is not what we need.
 
Thunderhead said:
I think the £70m will include a huge £10-20m signing on fee, he'd still cost over £50m just on £250k per week
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It would still be signing Ozil for £20 million. £20 million would get you a bang average player in today’s market. So it would still be a bargain. Who cares anyway, we are the richest club in the world and that kind of money wouldn’t even bother the club.
 
poacher said:
Lemar is a fantastic player with huge upside. He's the kind of skilled ball player that Man city sign up. Can play wing or centrally and good with either foot. The only problem is the price. Jean Seri is also a good player and wouldn't cost the earth. Both Seri and Lemar are also decent defensively. Savic is more of a box to box midfielder but could play as a 10. Savic is a more direct physical player rather than a finesse player sort of like a more skilful and mobile version of Fellaini. There are definitely better options than Ozil but the main attraction of Ozil is he's skilful and free.
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I don't agree that either Seri or Savic have the upside to be as good as peak Ozil, I think Lemar might and it'll be interesting to see how he gets on this season, but the issue there is despite being versatile and able to play across the AM positions, he's playing consistently playing on the left and not getting much time centrally. Also he'd probably cost £90m+ and is still all about potential rather than proven ability.

I understand the reservations about Ozil, he's 29 now, contributes little defensively and has seemingly downed tools at Arsenal or at least not been playing well, but for me physically he should still be capable of getting back to his best and United happen to have the manager who got him playing his best football for 3 years where he was arguably Real's 2nd best player over that time and the best #10 in the world. He's also proven in the Prem as statistically he was the most creative player in the 15/16 season that we've seen in years, including even more so than KdB now in terms of assists and chances created per 90.

For a player that could be free, that's definitely a risk worth taking IMO. Like I said, right now other than the likes of Dybala and Griezmann - who are both unlikely signings or at least not exactly guaranteed, there are no better attainable #10's right now and he'd be a big upgrade over Mkhitaryan who is a bit average let's be honest.
 
Would maybe make us a little better in some games, will disappear in others and will demand high wages. All in all not a big wow.
Sanchez is the one who would lift us to the next level.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Who? Like I said earlier, United fans live in this fantasy bubble where they think either Dybala wants to join them or Griezmann is an absolute shoe-in.
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Neither Griezmann nor Dybala will join us. But is the current Ozil an upgrade? Not really
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
I can't get over how insipid Ozil is when the going gets tough. He's a fine player and Jose knows his nature and were he to take a punt on him would surely have a man-management plan to keep his head straight, but something tells me his character is not what we need.
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If you read the excerpted quotes from Ozil's autobiography, you can tell that Mourinho knows how to push his buttons. His attitude if he moved here would be a fair bit different. I don't like people look at how players are at their current club sometimes and infer that they'll be like that here. I think that with the right environment, he can thrive.
 
notcool said:
If you read the excerpted quotes from Ozil's autobiography, you can tell that Mourinho knows how to push his buttons. His attitude if he moved here would be a fair bit different. I don't like people look at how players are at their current club sometimes and infer that they'll be like that here. I think that with the right environment, he can thrive.
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I don't think so he'll sulk, too.
 
IF Jose wants him, he obviously thinks he can get Ozil back to something like his best. And IF Ozil does get back to close to his best, he obviously strengthens us significantly.

I'm not a particularly big fan of his based on Arsenal displays, but if Jose does want him I'll give him my backing (not that it's worth anything obviously) and hope Jose is right.
 
notcool said:
If you read the excerpted quotes from Ozil's autobiography, you can tell that Mourinho knows how to push his buttons. His attitude if he moved here would be a fair bit different. I don't like people look at how players are at their current club sometimes and infer that they'll be like that here. I think that with the right environment, he can thrive.
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I've read the quotes from Jose in this thread and can appreciate he may have more joy with Ozil than Wenger has had, but even so we usually talk about this kind of kid gloves treatment regarding temperamental young prospects not a 29 year old World Cup winner.

Yours is an interesting point but I remain unconvinced. Whether Jose fancies a go is another matter, and I'd back him and Ozil if he did regardless of my misgivings.
 
Originally I was completely against it, but the more and more I see of Mkhi this season the more and more I think we could really use him.


The only question is who he replaces on the starting lineup if he does join, and where. If griezmann comes (which is more or at least AS likely), he would probably play behind Lukaku, in which case I'm not sure if he'd be a guaranteed starter for us.

Relegating Griezmann to the wing is definitely a bad idea, just because he used to play it at Atletico, and its the same for Ozil hes poor on the wing.
 
Art said:
I think players are capable of rediscovering their prime if they want to play for a manager they like. Matic was an example where many on here thought was underwhelming last year but turns out to be a rolls royce. I think Mesut will prove to be the same. He's a fantastic player on form.
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He needs a new motivation and a different environment. I truly believe Mourinho can get him firing again.
 
33 in four years, Feck me in football you can't plan for what's gonna happen next week. People might be talking about who we can and can't get but look what happened in the summer and the starting price will be 130m for those already named. Trust me with these kind of opportunities don't come around very often.
 
DannyCAFC said:
For a player that could be free, that's definitely a risk worth taking IMO. Like I said, right now other than the likes of Dybala and Griezmann - who are both unlikely signings or at least not exactly guaranteed, there are no better attainable #10's right now and he'd be a big upgrade over Mkhitaryan who is a bit average let's be honest.
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Not for the 300k a week he is demanding thought. Griezman will get you 20 goals and added qualities too on the same salary.
 
Ish said:
I see many on here keep referencing Ozil as world class. Is he really?

I'm not disputing that at his best, especially at Madrid, he was world class and probably the best 10/playmaker in the game. He's still performing much better for Germany, than for Arsenal too, mainly based on what I read as I don't watch Germany that often.

But has he really been world class for the last few years at Arsenal, for him to be labelled world class, still? Lay the blame at Wenger's door all you like, but the player also needs to take responsibility for his performances and attitude.

Personally, I voted No, but I'd back the signing if Mourinho wanted him, and at his best, he is an upgrade on both Mkhi and Mata. If anyone can get Ozil back to his best, I'd trust Jose to.
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His attitude for Germany vs Arsenal tells us a lot about him imo. Özil is one of those mercurial talents who is difficult to motivate and certainly not a leader, but if you get him on your side, he can win you matches on his own.

We do have that kind of a personality right now in Mkhitaryan. So if we do get Özil, it will be to replace Mkhi. Can't see them playing together.
 
VancouverUtdFan said:
No offense or anything but were you living under a rock or something over the Summer? Everyone and their dog knew AG was all but on his way to United but the Atletico transfer ban held up the inevitable move. Like, how is that even close to being fantasy? It was as close to a done deal as there gets lol
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I've said before but it feels awfully like he's kind of just stringing United on in a way, he's supposed to have joined every window for the last 2 years and it hasn't happened yet. If he was so intent on joining United, why insist on staying at Atletico for another year? The transfer ban was their fault, and made them less competitive, in that sense Griezmann didn't owe them anything. He's not exactly getting on but it's another year out of the prime of his career he could have spent at United too if that's where he saw his future. They're likely to face competition for him from Barca as well so there's that. I just don't think it's this sure thing like a lot of United fans think, if Griezmann really wanted to join Utd it would have already happened by now.
 
SirMattBugsby said:
His attitude for Germany vs Arsenal tells us a lot about him imo. Özil is one of those mercurial talents who is difficult to motivate and certainly not a leader, but if you get him on your side, he can win you matches on his own.

We do have that kind of a personality right now in Mkhitaryan. So if we do get Özil, it will be to replace Mkhi. Can't see them playing together.
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Yeah, I don't dispute that, nor how talented Ozil is. I'm just sort of trying to gauge why a lot of posters call him world class, when that's clearly him living off a reputation, rather than having been world class for his club for a prolonged period over the last few years.

He definitely was, and has the ability (as you rightly pointed out - when he's motivated) to be world class. I just don't think he should be called world class at the moment. But alas, it's semantics anyway.
 
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