Young and Valencia are over 30, Matic will be 30 soon, Carrick and Ibra won't even be around after this year probably, Fellaini if he extends will be a highly paid 30 year old squad player and we are looking to add Ozil to this list. We don't want a team full of ageing players on the wane, even worse if they are highly paid and Ozil will want around 300k per week so it's deceptive to call it a free transfer.
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So of the 25 first team players five would be over the age of 30 if we sign Ozil. Doesn’t sound like a lot.
...and his ability.
I think we are good with mata and mkh. We dont need ozil who will demand higher wages and have a tendency to disappear in big games.
Over 50% of people want Ozil here ... woah 
, guess starting with 10 players every game is attractive. Mata at least tracks back, runs when he fecks up ( even its funny as feck the way how he does it), this cnut would just walk back even if that.
, guess starting with 10 players every game is attractive. Mata at least tracks back, runs when he fecks up ( even its funny as feck the way how he does it), this cnut would just walk back even if that.As a player, on his form Ozil is better than both. The problem is his mentality as you said he goes invisible a lot when you need him and that what makes me not very keen on him, but if Jose believe he can improve his mentality he'll be a good signing on free and if he failed we can sell to an Italian team the next year. I think Milan or Inter will welcome him at this time. We may take the risk then.
If we are going for Ozil it likely means se arent confident of getting AG!
This feels like a stick on. Think it'll happen.
Totally different players.
its the outlay im talking about
I'd take sanchez any day, but not ozil. Mata is pretty good too if used on the right position in the centre with pace and movements on the wings. ?He was sumblime when he was chelsea's 2 times player of the year. Has scored more goals than ozil in arsenal in united tenure.
Besides the centre position could be griezmanns next summer.would not want ozil on the wings again being unbalanced.
Mata is still a very good player but he's not the same of what he was at Chelsea imo. Ozil in his day can offer what both Mikhi and Mata can do, but my problem is him "being on his day". His mentality has appeared to be too fragile during his era at Arsenal. If Jose can make him fight for the team he'll be a good signing for 1-2 years. If he can't, well then no manager can.
I'll refuse this transfer if it costs us any money but since he's on a free and we can get rid of him later on if he fails it's a risk I may take, especially if we get Griezmann as well in the same summer.
I don't have much expectations for him, though, but as I said we're not losing much if we decide to get him.
I'm so surprised there are that many yes votes in the poll.
I'd trust Jose to get the best out of him like he has done before. I'd also expect Ozil to understand what the manager wants from him having already worked together.
I think the fans would make it clear to him if he didn't get his act together.
We've got a striker that can run in behind and we all know Ozil can supply the ball.
I think the fans would make it clear to him if he didn't get his act together.
We've got a striker that can run in behind and we all know Ozil can supply the ball.
We don't have a team full of aging players on the wane.
You said it yourself that Carrick and Ibra will probably leave the team this season having their replacements in younger players. We will be looking to upgrade Young position who is not regular anyway. We have Matic who has fair few years in him as his game is about intelligence and positioning. And thank feck he is here btw. Fellaini is also a squad option.
Not even looking at the age of other teams, I would say we have one of the youngest squads in EPL and among very best teams. Only Spurs that I'm sure are younger. Our most important players and spine of the team are all entering their best years (De Gea, Bailly, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Lukaku).
Agree with you that Ozil wages and signing on fee will be huge so it's wrong to say it will be cheap, but the only question worth asking is will Ozil improve us.
They are. But, both of them are best behind the striker.
He's a top player and played well for Mourinho before.
Over 50% of people want Ozil here ... woah
If Mourinho instructs his players to track back, and they dont do it, they'll be out the team.
It's just really fun going gung ho and playing Martial on one wing and Rashford on the other. Their stats are nothing special but they are incredibly fast.
Why is the caf always complaining about players over 27/28 is it because of football manager or something, isn't that the average footballer peak age ? Sure before we signed Matic people were saying he was too old and needed someone younger. I would obviously take Ozil on a free because if Mou wants him he believes he can get the best out of him like he did at Madrid. Also I think he is still has the ability he just gave up at Arsenal.
Including his first season at Arsenal and all his seasons at Madrid he had the highest assists in Europe by a mile and still performs well for Germany. Would be a no brainier to take him on a free as I would like to think that Lukaku, Martial and Rashford would benefit a lot from him.
Including his first season at Arsenal and all his seasons at Madrid he had the highest assists in Europe by a mile and still performs well for Germany. Would be a no brainier to take him on a free as I would like to think that Lukaku, Martial and Rashford would benefit a lot from him.
He's great when he's motivated. And when he isn't, there's always Mkhitaryan. It'd be worth it for the good times. Under Mourinho, I'd fancy that to be almost the whole season. Ozil is a victim of Wenger's waning influence as much as anything. I don't think the former responds to lame ducks.
Yes but one of them is part of the team's spine i.e Matic and if we sign Ozil i presume he will be part of the spine too. The risk here is that he doesn't impress and we are left with an underperforming over paid player who is 30+ and whom we cannot sell. Ozil infuriates neutrals who watch Arsenal, it's all predicated on the hope that jose can motivate him that he may even match Mkhi or Mata's work rate. Point being yes he may be an asset for 2-3 years at best but if there are younger options there is no reason why we shouldn't go after them, Griezmann in particular is someone i would pay 100mn for and not sign Ozil.
That being said this forum has revelled in his laziness for the last 2 seasons. Don't see why he'd be any different for us.
Ozil and Griezmann could instantly displace any of the three behind Lukaku.
Same was said for Matic and he is one of the best midfielders in the league this season. Sometimes change of clubs will do wonders for players. Ozil's record with Jose as manager is just brilliant.
Ozil is top player, we need to get players like him whenever they are available. Ozil and Griezmann can play in the same team.
Matic was the missing piece in the midfeild, ozil is not.
We need a right winger in the team. Mata and mkh has already developed chemistry with the team.we need a ideal winger rather than another cam.
Niether is ozil the same he was at Madrid or few years ago at arsenal. Arsenal are actually looking better without him.
Mata on the other hand has press resistance in him, circulates the ball better, gets into little pockets better,finishes better , can be used as a false 9 to roam around to control the ball and spray passes and create.
Mata has already developed chemistry with the team and if he's let go chances are Herrera or de Gea would also follow so it's better not to break our Spanish contingent who can accept reduced role on lower wages than ozil who'll demand high wages and could be moody.
My point was different. It's about player's motivation.
Also on form Ozil is on different level to Mata and Mkhitaryan.
I think Jose would be tempted but we could be bluffing trying to steal Sanchez or maybe both. It's an unusual situation to be in. Next Jan/summer we have choice.
Ozil has a ridiculous amount of talent and I do think on his day he's one of the best around in his position, on a free it's a low risk because we'd probably be able to recuperate a decent sum if we wanted to sell him. That said the thing I question most is his attitude and commitment, if he's dedicated he'll be unplayable here, if he doesn't care then he'll be as bad as di Maria.
If there's one manager I can trust to get the best out of him it's Jose Mourinho.
If there's one manager I can trust to get the best out of him it's Jose Mourinho.
I understand the desire to sign a top no10, and I've always liked Ozil, but he's looked uninterested at Arsenal for a while now which worries me... But then again Arsenal have been a shambles, so is it fair to judge him on recent form?
But I don't think Mata or Mkhi are good enough players to be regular starters for us, so if Ozil was available on a free and Jose thought he was up for it I'd be pretty excited. Bring in Griezmann too and suddenly you've got world class attackers being fed by a man who can see every pass imaginable...
I think his (lack of) workrate is exaggerated, but in 90% of games we wouldn't want our no10 tracking back, because we'd be the dominant team. And if we need workrate we start a player who will work hard. We have Herrera, Fellaini, Lingard...
I'd be going for it.
But I don't think Mata or Mkhi are good enough players to be regular starters for us, so if Ozil was available on a free and Jose thought he was up for it I'd be pretty excited. Bring in Griezmann too and suddenly you've got world class attackers being fed by a man who can see every pass imaginable...
I think his (lack of) workrate is exaggerated, but in 90% of games we wouldn't want our no10 tracking back, because we'd be the dominant team. And if we need workrate we start a player who will work hard. We have Herrera, Fellaini, Lingard...
I'd be going for it.
Over 50% of people want Ozil here ... woah
It's easier for a coach to get a talented player to work hard than a hard working player to have talent.
Ozil is a class act. He is levels above Mata in every area except being a really nice guy. He is more creative than Mata and his pace means he's a big threat on the counter attack. On a free transfer he would be great business.
I think United can easily get both he and Griezmann. I'd expect this season to be the last at the club for both Zlatan and Mata.
Mourinho being his manager and not Wenger.
Even lazy players are able to raise their workrate for 5 or 6 games per season once they're aware of how important the matches are.
Ozil's work ethic is good enough to be a world class player for a top team. It's not good enough for a side like current Arsenal that struggles to impose itself for 15-odd games per season.
They're different levels that require different mentalities. Ozil has the mentality of a someone that needs to be surrounded by winners. We're a club with plenty of them already, not least the manager himself.
I don't see this as a gamble at all.
You have to have a little bit experience in the team. Every great team has it. Look just what Matic transfer gave us. Also, it's not like we will sign a 35-year-old player ffs. I can understand people concerns looking at his performances for Arsenal but can't understand age concerns if he will be 29 when we sign him, especially when competition for his place is more or less the same age as him. We will not be bringing someone who will take place from Martial or Rashford.
Greizmann would be also my first choice as he is excellent in that position but can also play RW on a high level which gives us more tactical solutions for different games. But, if we can't get him, Ozil on a free is a very good option. In fact, if he can raise his game under Mourinho like before then he is a brilliant option.
I love Mata but would like to see more of what you're describing throughout games.
That's really not the reason why we should keep Mata. Transfers don't work that way and I can't see why Herrera or De Gea would want to leave after Mata. If they have a bromance they can use Skype to chat with him.
So we are not getting John Travolta with his floppy yellow locks?
When the going gets tough, Özil goes missing. He is everything we do not need. He is a demotivating as Zlatan is motivating. Martial etc. should be kept safe from influences like him. Worldclass ability and all, but may he go anywhere but us.
Ozil has thrown the towel with Arsenal a long time ago. The only question is : is this the only reason for his performance or he's starting to decline. We'll never know the answer till we see him with another club.
Better than Mata on his day but nowhere near as dependable. We don't need him.
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