Mesut Ozil on a free? | Orn: Ozil signs new contract worth 350k

Do you want Ozil at Manchester United?

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I wouldn't get fooled by what people are seeing at arsenal - ozil is capable of much more if he has a team who actually work hard behind him (which we have from attack to defence).

On a free its simply no question.
 
Infra-red said:
Fabregas aside, I'd take each and every one of them over Ozil in a central attacking role. Alexis Sanchez too. And David Silva. And De Bruyne. That's just the Premier League.

To go back to your original claim, are you sure you really want to hold to your view that Mesut Ozil is, "by a long shot", the best offensive midfield player in the entirety of world football? That Neymar, Iniesta, Isco, James, Koke, Reus, Lemar etc and the players already mentioned above, cannot even compete with him?
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I am willing to concede that KDB is very close to Ozil and at this moment in time is in way better form. But can't find any midfielder form in recent years who beats Ozil 2015/16 form. Alexis Sanchez and Neymar are forwards. David Silva and Iniesta are past their primes. James still has to prove he can deliver on a consistent basis and stop living from his World Cup 2014 performances. Koke and Lemar are still just prospects unproven at the highest level. Reus is injury prone. Isco is in the process of becoming world class, but Madrid is still too reliant on Ronaldo, so he's not all that influential yet. Ozil is, at worst, the third best midfielder in the world and before you mention Luka Modric, while he is a top player, he will enter his decline in the next season at most.
 
Do not want at all. For all that's being said about wenger and arsenal not playing to his strengths you still have to put the onus on Ozil to perform to his abilities and to be fair he's been extremely average for the most part. The desire doesn't look like it's there at all and at this point he's living mostly on his name and past glories more so than what he's done the last couple of years .
 
Devil may care said:
He didn't help Real or Arsenal to the CL when her was a better player than he is now, and that Real team was better than our current side.
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The only reason Real didn't win the CL before was because Mourinho is a explosive manager who cannot handle too much stars in the same dressing room without losing control. Arsenal never had the squad to win it either. But at this current United team, which only has Pogba as a star,he could do very well and take us to the next level, without having too much trouble with Mourinho. So yeah, I truly believe what I said.
 
If it kills our chances of signing Griezmann then no but people are kidding themselves if they don't think he'll improve us. For starters, he'll have a proper functioning midfield of Matic and Pogba behind him and lots of pacey players in front to play the ball into. He'd be absolutely devastating on the break, Mkhitaryan has had a fine start this season but he's so wasteful on counters. With Ozil in the side he'd make the correct pass 9/10 and make us more potent on break as well as from open play.

Only caveat is we have too many #10s and a long standing interest in Griezmann who I feel is a much superior player. If his signing means we can't bring Griezmann then we should avoid this transfer.
 
He does everything Mata and Mkhitaryan can do, but in a single package. If we can get him, it'd allow us to drop both in order to play Martial+Ozil+Rashford behind Lukaku.
 
fcbforever said:
Özil is someone who will make a good team even better but can't carry it himself. I would honestly have taken him above James this summer.
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That is precisely what he is. I feel the same about the majority of 10s actually and I think it is the reason they get both overrated and underrated. The former happens when people see them in a system and team that functions well and just assume they are world beaters like Özil at Real or Kagawa at Dortmund. The latter happens when they are expected to carry the team and they naturally can't. Özil could be a brilliant and a burden in equal measures.
 
If he loweres his salary and is free..he can be good backup when u need to unlock a defence.
 
I just don't understand why anyone wouldn't want this guy in our team, for free it's a no brainer!
 
Will be a disaster for us in the big game's as well, funny enough he'd probably be great at city,
 
Fox E Power said:
I just don't understand why anyone wouldn't want this guy in our team, for free it's a no brainer!
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That's because Ozil doesn't offer anything better than what we already have. Mata has been a good quality player for us and he's fine with coming off the bench and not starting every game. That can't be said about Ozil. Honestly, in the current squad, I would only entertain players that would make us better. Some examples would Griezmann who would definitely elevate the squad with his pace and goals, Sanchez would be good as well since he would probably be the answer to the RW or could also play behind Lukaku in the No. 10 role.

On a side note, Barcelona has distanced themselves from Goretzka. We need to swoop in for him before he ends up at Bayern. He could be an upgrade on Herrera and could also be a Pogba backup in times like these when he's injured. We need to understand that Fellaini scoring against a really poor Palace defense does not mean he's good enough to replace Pogba for the moment. We need better players and Leon Goretzka is that person.
 
beingshe7don said:
That's because Ozil doesn't offer anything better than what we already have. Mata has been a good quality player for us and he's fine with coming off the bench and not starting every game. That can't be said about Ozil. Honestly, in the current squad, I would only entertain players that would make us better. Some examples would Griezmann who would definitely elevate the squad with his pace and goals, Sanchez would be good as well since he would probably be the answer to the RW or could also play behind Lukaku in the No. 10 role.

On a side note, Barcelona has distanced themselves from Goretzka. We need to swoop in for him before he ends up at Bayern. He could be an upgrade on Herrera and could also be a Pogba backup in times like these when he's injured. We need to understand that Fellaini scoring against a really poor Palace defense does not mean he's good enough to replace Pogba for the moment. We need better players and Leon Goretzka is that person.
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Am struggling to think of a reason why you think Goretzka would improve us and not Ozil.
 
This will happen in my opinion. Mourinho obviously likes him as a player and his signings at United have shown a preference of signing players with whom he had already worked(3 out of 7).
 
fcbforever said:
Özil is someone who will make a good team even better but can't carry it himself. I would honestly have taken him above James this summer.
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Bayern can still take him and rotate with james or play him on the right.
 
meninred said:
If he loweres his salary and is free..he can be good backup when u need to unlock a defence.
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He's not going to lower his salary.. He's going to transfer on a free and especially in the present climate of over the top transfer fees,he's going to get a good salary as well as a nice signing on bonus..
 
Ozil is a quality player and for free transfer it isn't even a difficult decision to make. There are only few who are better than him when it comes to creating chances and passing with precision in the final third.
 
Ozil on a free along with Griezmann would be great. Quality additions that add squad depth.

Martial/Rashford/Mkhitaryan/Griezmann/Ozil/Mata fighting it out for 3 spots :devil:

Also, he gets a bad rep purely due to the fact he’s the press’ whipping boy. Whenever arsenal lose, it’s somehow down to him. Quality player.
 
Cant see any real logic in signing him on a free apart from annoying Arsenal fans, wages would be a minimum of 300k a week, and cant really see where he would fit in the team in the big games that people keep saying he could make the difference, yes he has flashes of magic but hes just not suited to the premiership, would rather just stick with Miki if honest.
 
Some of the disrespect for him on this thread. We’ve alll enjoyed bantering him over the years to piss off arsenal fans but his quality is clear to see and all of that on a free? Yes fecking please.

He also covers more ground then Alexis in every game yet is seen as the lazy one.
 
Murray3007 said:
Cant see any real logic in signing him on a free apart from annoying Arsenal fans, wages would be a minimum of 300k a week, and cant really see where he would fit in the team in the big games that people keep saying he could make the difference, yes he has flashes of magic but hes just not suited to the premiership, would rather just stick with Miki if honest.
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Even at 300K a week that would be a cost of 46.8 million over 3 seasons which would just about buy you a Sigurdsson now a days (sans wages). If the rumours are true then its someone Mourinho has worked closely with (and that has worked out well so far for the likes of Lukaku, Zlatan and Matic, even when many voices expressed concern about them).
 
Mcking said:
Am struggling to think of a reason why you think Goretzka would improve us and not Ozil.
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Goretzka is 22 for one and we need a quality backup for Pogba when he isn't playing. He's tall, good on the ball and is quality player to have whereas Ozil has his best days behind him. He's approaching 30. He's slow and for the position he plays, we already have Mata and Mhiki. If we are to get a player for that same position, I would get someone who is miles ahead of Mata and Mhiki and Griezmann would be that person. Can't really compare Goretzka and Ozil since they play different positions. And Goretzka is leaving Schalke on a free, we wouldn't even need to play over the odds in wages like what we will have to do so for Ozil (who is demanding 250k per week)
 
On a free? I think I'd take him, but man, he annoys the shite out of me. It should not be a long term deal, so maybe he would not sign something like that. I'd trust Jose though, he obviously knows Ozil well.
 
Yeah, I don't think Jose even wants him. If he wanted Ozil why is he starting Mhki over Mata as a 10. The only position where Ozil would be useful is at 10. Conversily, if he wanted to replace Mata then there are much better wingers that would provide more attacking variety. There are even "better" 10s (*cough* AG *cough*) so why would we waste 300k/week to get Ozil, who has peaked and would cost as AG level wages? Makes no sense.

This story sounds too made up. It is almost comical. I read the other day Ozil wants 350k/week to stay at Arsenal. Inter has interest, but then they withdrew interest or are holding out. I think Ozil's agent is making up stories to force Jose to buy Ozil. Like teying to get public opinion behind a really bad idea. This will only benefit Ozil and his agent, MU will lose in long run as top teams will spend money more productively.The only way Jose would buy Ozil if Mhkitaryan and/or Mata was leaving in Summer, but the there are much better choices. MU should invest in younger players and more width/attacking variety.
 
Do i want him on free? Yes
Do i want him instead of mikhi or mata? That i don't know.
I can't see that we will have those 3 in squad. Mata is happy with squad status and can play amc and amr. So it is mikhi or ozil? Wow, like sophie's choice.
But if ozil would play even a minute instead of martial on the left then huge no.
 
Lukaku
Martial------Ozil----Rashford
Pogba-----Matic
Shaw------Jones---Bailly----Valencia
De Gea

Sell Mata :/​
 
I'm starting to think this might be true.

Keown was talking about Ozil these past few months, criticizing his effort first of all then stating that Wenger doesn't trust him anymore. Now Keown has come out and said on 5 live that Ozil isn't really injured but is instead forcing his way out of the club quietly.

If true I think this one will hurt Wenger almost as much as Van Persie/Fabregas due to the stories of how close the two are, with Ozil always having private conversations with Wenger, according to Ramsey at least.

Regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, I expect Ozil to start once the international break is over, its not Wenger's style to leave out a top player because of politics. Van Persie was supposedly negotiating with City during the christmas period but he wasn't dropped, neither were Hleb or Flamini.

If we try to sell him in January, I'll believe that there's been a falling out. I think its highly unlikely he signs a new contract now.
 
JSArsenal said:
I'm starting to think this might be true.

Keown was talking about Ozil these past few months, criticizing his effort first of all then stating that Wenger doesn't trust him anymore. Now Keown has come out and said on 5 live that Ozil isn't really injured but is instead forcing his way out of the club quietly.

If true I think this one will hurt Wenger almost as much as Van Persie/Fabregas due to the stories of how close the two are, with Ozil always having private conversations with Wenger, according to Ramsey at least.

Regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, I expect Ozil to start once the international break is over, its not Wenger's style to leave out a top player because of politics. Van Persie was supposedly negotiating with City during the christmas period but he wasn't dropped, neither were Hleb or Flamini.

If we try to sell him in January, I'll believe that there's been a falling out. I think its highly unlikely he signs a new contract now.
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I also think it might be true as negative press on Ozil and Sanchez started like how players are not happy with Ozil and Sanchez and all that.

Big blow to Arsenal losing both, hopefully Sanchez goes to PSG rather than City.
 
beingshe7don said:
Goretzka is 22 for one and we need a quality backup for Pogba when he isn't playing. He's tall, good on the ball and is quality player to have whereas Ozil has his best days behind him. He's approaching 30. He's slow and for the position he plays, we already have Mata and Mhiki. If we are to get a player for that same position, I would get someone who is miles ahead of Mata and Mhiki and Griezmann would be that person. Can't really compare Goretzka and Ozil since they play different positions. And Goretzka is leaving Schalke on a free, we wouldn't even need to play over the odds in wages like what we will have to do so for Ozil (who is demanding 250k per week)
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I don't think Ozil's best days are behind him. What he needs is a better system and a manager to get the best from him. About Mata and Mkhi, Ozil is an improvement on both(although not Griezmann's level) and will definetely walk into our XI, improving it. Goretzka on the other hand is a good option and is probably on Herrera's level meaning he can't get into our XI ahead of Matic and Pogba since Herrera can't get into it too. I don't see a reason why a backup player will improve our team more than someone who is going to start. Besides, Goretzka to me, doesn't look like a player who is willing to stay on the bench.
 
Luke1995 said:
The only reason Real didn't win the CL before was because Mourinho is a explosive manager who cannot handle too much stars in the same dressing room without losing control. Arsenal never had the squad to win it either. But at this current United team, which only has Pogba as a star,he could do very well and take us to the next level, without having too much trouble with Mourinho. So yeah, I truly believe what I said.
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Or because in the semi-final of his second season Ramos decided to hit the roof of Santiago Bernabeu with his penalty. Mourinho managed to stay there for 3 seasons. Long for a person who cannot handle too many stars.

If Griezmann isn't coming, Ozil is a brilliant solution. Would go for him even if he's not on free. With Griezmann, I'm really not so sure.
 
He would cause some additional selection headaches in regards to Rashers v Martial and what to do with Mhki & Mata, no doubt.

But some headaches are better than others...
 
Jim Beam said:
Or because in the semi-final of his second season Ramos decided to hit the roof of Santiago Bernabeu with his penalty. Mourinho managed to stay there for 3 seasons. Long for a person who cannot handle too many stars.

If Griezmann isn't coming, Ozil is a brilliant solution. Would go for him even if he's not on free. With Griezmann, I'm really not so sure.
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And the third season had Ronaldo falling out with him in January already. Chelsea absolutely went AWOL after they won the title with him. I'm really worried about his next season here.
 
Luke1995 said:
And the third season had Ronaldo falling out with him in January already. Chelsea absolutely went AWOL after they won the title with him. I'm really worried about his next season here.
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Staying at both Madrid and Chelsea for more than 2 seasons are a feat in itself in recent history. Mourinho got both with Madrid and Chelsea first stint.

Unless it's another Chelsea of 15/16, he would be given patience if he achieved height in his second season here. Unlike Madrid or Chelsea, the manager has more power here so himself can sell the trouble makers and lest thing escalates to that extend if he is competent. At Chelsea & Madrid, there is head coach but no manager. Players can influence the higher up decision and turn against the coaches. Different circumstance so the outcome may be different.

JSArsenal said:
I'm starting to think this might be true.

Keown was talking about Ozil these past few months, criticizing his effort first of all then stating that Wenger doesn't trust him anymore. Now Keown has come out and said on 5 live that Ozil isn't really injured but is instead forcing his way out of the club quietly.

If true I think this one will hurt Wenger almost as much as Van Persie/Fabregas due to the stories of how close the two are, with Ozil always having private conversations with Wenger, according to Ramsey at least.

Regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, I expect Ozil to start once the international break is over, its not Wenger's style to leave out a top player because of politics. Van Persie was supposedly negotiating with City during the christmas period but he wasn't dropped, neither were Hleb or Flamini.

If we try to sell him in January, I'll believe that there's been a falling out. I think its highly unlikely he signs a new contract now.
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Interesting. I don't think he's to extend either. Staying at Arsenal doing his reputation more harm than good.
 
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