So everyone's believing some poster on a website who pretends he's ITK?
What's the betting he's a City/Pool fan on a wum.
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What's the betting he's a City/Pool fan on a wum.
Hahahaha
We plant the idea but how many levels does that need? Remember we have to do it on a shoe string budget.
Berba would be ideal as the first dream level;- he doesnt need sedatives to go to sleep it comes naturally to him.
I bet Fletchers dreams are as hectic as his playing style so leave him out.
So everyone's believing some poster on a website who pretends he's ITK?
What's the betting he's a City/Pool fan on a wum.
Na hes just trying to get people to visit his site often, having this "scoop" has done that and activity on his site has probably increased 10 fold
So basically - what Ferguson should remember - Never, NEVER - come smiling out of an office after speaking to someone in charge - unless you want someone to think you have signed a player. If someone tells a joke - make sure you stop smiling before you open the door!
German sites are picking up on the Barcelona story now.
Ferguson payed something like 10 and 7 million for completely unproven players in Smalling and Chicarito.
You guys really think he wouldn't get 12 million if he really wanted Ozil? Really?
Either we aren't interested and never were, which wouldn't be surprising with the talent we have at the club at the moment. Or he is not interested.
You guys really think he wouldn't get 12 million if he really wanted Ozil? Really?
Either we aren't interested and never were, which wouldn't be surprising with the talent we have at the club at the moment. Or he is not interested.
Well i do find it hard to believe we werent interested, i have heard quotes long before the WC about how Ozil was a player who United tried to get before he went to WB. And even with Anderson/Gibson i still think Ozil would have been great in a 433 as our creative outlet - even in a 442, i too dont buy into the whole "we have no money to spend!" but i do think we have really had our head up our asses here
This, or he's chosen Barcelona over us.
No because in January when we agreed to buy Smalling it was known then that we'd be selling Tosic to CSKA for 7 - so only paying Net 3m for him.
Then when we got the Chicha deal done in April(?) - we knew that it was going to be a wash because we were selling Foster for 6m at the time.
So the money men then knew they weren't really shelling out much money and approve the deals. They now know we aren't selling anyone, so they can't approve 12m for a player SAF wants.
That is your opinon and you are entitled to it but nobody knows the real situation. We are all speculating
You are all entitled to your opinion, but mine is that if Ferguson went to the owners and said that there is one player he wanted, and he cost 12 million, then the money would be there.
Obviously we don't know whether we or he (Ozil) is interested though.
Obviously we don't know whether we or he (Ozil) is interested though.
Why do you think that?
I got a question for you all. Do we really need Ozil?
Who says we can continue to go to the well though? Its not about the size of the fee, but the fee on top of what we've already paid out. Perhaps we did our shopping early and we'll have to wait till Jan to spend anymore. It wouldnt be a big surprise if Hernandez and Smalling were the extent of our budget. We had issues with covering for our defenders last season and Rio's so the manager clearly wanted some more cover and someone who can learn and improve. And we announced Hernandez's signing soon after we went out of the champions league against Bayern, a match where Nani was the lone front man for quite a while after Rooney went off with his injury. A match that showed the manager had little faith in Berbatov on his own up front. And we signed a player who, if not straight away, will eventually be a very good option to stand in for Rooney in a 4-3-3. So we spent our money not just on a couple of young prospects, but 2 players who could do specific things to improve us if we face similar issues to last season. If they both end up good signings, then it was wise use of the money even if it was the whole lot spent on them.
If that would have been the case i am sure he wouldn't have continued managing utd....
I obviously meant "paid" btw.
Horrendous spelling mistake.
Horrendous spelling mistake.
I just don't think it all boils down to 12 million.
Is our transfer budget restrained in anyway? Probably. Could we match the Reals, Citys and Chelseas of the world. No.
But there isn't a lot to suggest that Ferguson couldn't find 12 million if he really wanted to.
Is our transfer budget restrained in anyway? Probably. Could we match the Reals, Citys and Chelseas of the world. No.
But there isn't a lot to suggest that Ferguson couldn't find 12 million if he really wanted to.
Merely hes a player who i think we have been lacking and at £12m (if true) would have been great value
To win the champions league? We need something more and he could provide it, yeah.
If SAF really wanted Ozil, I'm sure we'd at least sell to raise the required funds, if we can't actually afford it. Which I just don't believe.
Exactly we know nothing for sure
Hehe. Isn't that CLK's website?
No, but we don't know either. It's possible that we may have been looking to get him on a free next season. The squad is good enough to win the league this season IMVHO.
Completely. Whether or not we're as broke as some claim or not, we have players who are clearly squad players, if it was really a question of not having the 12-15m for Ozil we'd have been selling more fringe players and probably wouldn't have spent £10m odd on a central defender who won't be ready for regular first team football for at least a couple of years.
To be honest only City have really strengthened, if anything Chelsea are weaker this season and Arsenal are very shaky in central defence. That's not to say that we will win it, but I don't think any other team/squad is significantly better than ours.
Can someone please explain what has happened today? We are definitely not signing him because it has been on Twitter? But none of the serious sources have spoken yet…
What was that Justin Moorhouse thing about as well?
What was that Justin Moorhouse thing about as well?
Agree with that bit.
I actually agree with SAF that the squad has a nice level of talent and balance at the moment, and I think it is a squad more than capable of competing on all fronts.
That's why I'm not too concerned about Ozil, although I think he is a great player, and that he would improve our squad (and perhaps even the first 11).
Yes, that's how it has turned out but, surely at the time when we struck both Smalling and Chicha deals - we didn't know the books would have been balanced by the sales of Tosic and Foster.
Tosic's performances at Koln took flight after the agreement for Smalling.
Foster's sale happened after we'd done the deal for Hernandez.
To say that anyone knew when SAF asked for money for both players, they knew it would be balanced out is a bit silly but, even if people do believe that then surely can believe that if SAF really wants to buy Ozil for 12m - then they can generate that by selling others.
Maybe we don't have the money and will have to sell to even out but, even with all the debt issue stories - can't reasonably say SAF has been denied money when has asked for it - especially as it was pointed out - he got it when he bought 2 unproven players for even more than the 12m being bandied about.
I have no doubt that if Fergie felt that we needed him then he would have gone for him.
Fergie sees things differently from fans though. He knows the players that he already has far better than we do. He probably also knows the players that he would like to bring to United and although he might rate Ozil he might not have him in say his top eight or ten.
We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
Meanwhile (Daily Mail...sorry).....Ozil's dream apparently is to play for Barca.
Depressing thread this if things pan out the way they're presumed to be going.
I don't think money has got anything to do with it whatsoever. We are not in financial shit to the point that £12m is beyond us.
I strongly believe that Fergie is literally torn on what to do about Ozil. I think, in an ideal world, he would rather be in this situation in 12 months' time when Scholes and Giggs are likely to be retiring but he knows that leaving it 12 months might be too late because if Ozil is on a free, someone like City will come along and offer him something ridiculous like £250k/week that we simply couldn't and/or wouldn't compete with.
Signing Ozil now is almost an admission that he doesn't really believe that Cleverley and Gibson are the future for the midfield. I genuinely believe he wants to give them every chance this season - as he has given them every chance during pre-season to prove their quality and ability to step up.
Again, this is why I think Fergie would like the Ozil option next summer - after he has given Cleverley and Gibson plenty of match time and been able to make a proper decision.
Whether we think Cleverley and Gibson are better than Ozil or not is irrelevant, Fergie has his reasons for keeping the faith in them for now - mostly loyalty, perhaps. Show them loyalty now and he will get it returned in spades for the rest of the time that he remains their manager.
Personally, I discounted the purchase of Ozil the minute Fergie said that Cleverley wasn't going out on loan. Sorry, Ozil fans, I just don't think it's gonna happen.
I strongly believe that Fergie is literally torn on what to do about Ozil. I think, in an ideal world, he would rather be in this situation in 12 months' time when Scholes and Giggs are likely to be retiring but he knows that leaving it 12 months might be too late because if Ozil is on a free, someone like City will come along and offer him something ridiculous like £250k/week that we simply couldn't and/or wouldn't compete with.
Signing Ozil now is almost an admission that he doesn't really believe that Cleverley and Gibson are the future for the midfield. I genuinely believe he wants to give them every chance this season - as he has given them every chance during pre-season to prove their quality and ability to step up.
Again, this is why I think Fergie would like the Ozil option next summer - after he has given Cleverley and Gibson plenty of match time and been able to make a proper decision.
Whether we think Cleverley and Gibson are better than Ozil or not is irrelevant, Fergie has his reasons for keeping the faith in them for now - mostly loyalty, perhaps. Show them loyalty now and he will get it returned in spades for the rest of the time that he remains their manager.
Personally, I discounted the purchase of Ozil the minute Fergie said that Cleverley wasn't going out on loan. Sorry, Ozil fans, I just don't think it's gonna happen.
I think the one in, one out nature of the transfers is more likely to be because of the squad limit rule coming in next season. This is likely to be the case for as long as this rule is in place now, really.
nothing to do with money. we are much better off financially than barca, as we had no problems until now refinancing our debt.
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That's quite a theory, but we know that there is more than £100m in the bank, and it would be suicidal if the owners were prepared to (hypothetically) lose out on the Premier League and the Champions League to save £12m. It's possible, I suppose, that they may not care about the extra revenue that is earned from winning major trophies, or even that they believe that we can win them without further investment. But you would have to think that if the manager wanted a player for anything under £20m, the owners would consider that to be a sign that the manager believes that it is necessary, and that they would make the money available.
As it is, Werder have been very clear that they would rather keep the player and lose him on a free if they can't attract a high enough fee to allow them to replace him. The £12m figure has no real basis in fact, as far as I am aware. But the difference between £12m and, say, £16m is not particularly important, anyway.
And there is also no evidence to suggest that we are even interested in Ozil and plenty of reason to believe that we would need to sell players to make his signing worthwhile even if we were. With five strikers at the club and two very good wingers who have earned their place in the team, it isn't immediately obvious that he is either required, or that he would replace any of the players who are currently deserving of their position in the team.
The fact that some people are trying to shoe-horn him in to a central midfield position suggests that the desire to sign him has completely over-ridden all other considerations. And that's just not a particularly good reason to sign anyone, in my opinion, no matter how talented they are.
Im with you. I think Fergie will put his trust in Cleverley & Gibson.
Personally, i dont think having Ozil would stunt Cleverleys development too much. I think Fergie should have put him on loan and let him get 25 games+ at somewhere like Wigan or Bolton, like Wiltshire did last year.
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