hope this happens. that just leaves a tweak to tighten up the d.
Mesut Özil
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Thanks. Its hard to keep track at times as there seems to be hideous overreactions to even the smallest piece of noise
He was actually given 21 when he "signed" for us
Just sign the fecker.
Hes not coming to united, simply because we're not going to sign anyone else for the rest of the summer. Atleast no major signings.
unless he is deemed as a value signing...
No.
ffs, nearly 3000 posts over nothing.
HAHAH.
Love the way how everyone is convincing themselves that we will sign him.
Love the way how everyone is convincing themselves that we will sign him.
Never be afraid to dream a little bigger darling.
Jinxed.
Kaka out for 4 months.
Could this mean Real go in for Ozil?
Could this mean Real go in for Ozil?
quite possibly.
It might, but Kaka is a £50m player and Real would receive nothing like that if they sold him at any point in the future because his value is decreasing as he reaches the age of 30. In that sense, they really have to make that transfer work over the next few years, and having just signed Di Maria for £20-odd million this summer, that would almost certainly mean that one of Ozil, Kaka, or Di Maria, would not start every week, unless Ronaldo was used as a striker, which is unlikely in a Mourinho team.
There would also be risk involved in signing another young player who may or may not either settle, or develop to their full potential, and they desperately need at least one fullback who is likely to cost up to £20m, so there is a money issue, as well. Despite the fact that they spend it like it is going out of fashion, much of the transfer spending in recent years has been funded by debt, and they really can't afford another summer like the last one.
Added to that is the fact that most teams — and I include Real Madrid in this — don't spend £20m on a player simply because one of their first team players is injured for four months, so you would think that they would only sign Ozil if he had already been earmarked before-hand as a summer transfer target.
All sounds quite logical. But were talking about Real Madrid here - logic can go out of the window. Sure, its only 4 months, but Real could be out of the title race by then.
There was talk about him going to real in Jan or next season. This may expedite any deal. If Jose wants him, he will get him.
There is as much chance of him going to Real than of coming to us.
Whether they need him in long term or not, getting Ozil for 12m is a bargain. In a year's time the club would be able to at least recoup that sum of money back by selling him. I know that Im being ruthless but that's the way things are.
Too right. Its good business anyway you look at it.
We paid £7mil+ for Smalling who hardly has any experience. £12mil for Ozil is a steel.
I know whats going to happen here.
We wont bid on him, in the hope we can get him on a free next season.
There will then be a crazy race for him and someone else will offer bigger wages and in Real or Barcas case, sunnier climes.
We wont bid on him, in the hope we can get him on a free next season.
There will then be a crazy race for him and someone else will offer bigger wages and in Real or Barcas case, sunnier climes.
This is merely a chapter in the crazy Summer of 2010, where transfer targets were fawned over, in an endless cycle of lust and depression... the bodycount is already high, but will continue to rise until the end on Sept 1st
Most sensible post in this thread.
I don't necessarily disagree, and while it's true that logic and Real Madrid aren't often associated with each other (depending on your biases, I suppose), Mourinho is probably the most skilled logician in world football.
On the one hand, he doesn't appear to allow anything to get in the way of him creating a successful team, and with Real Madrid's money and power, he might be persuaded that he needs a player to perform the Kaka role, even if it's only for four months.
But on the other, he has very clear ideas about the size and composition of squad that he requires, and that appears to be a crucial component to the creation of a hungry and successful squad. So, I'm not convinced that he would be prepared to potentially jeopardize all of that, and particularly not with another very young player who would almost certainly need time to settle, exactly at the point that he needs him to fulfill a very important role.
With Di Maria, Khedira, as well as one, possibly two, fullbacks also needing to settle, that more than anything could see them out of the title race, which is why I believe that he will see van der Vaart as crucial to the team.
Where's the fecking optimism?
Maybe, but why knows?
Piotr Trochowski to be Manchester United back-up target after Mesut Ozil
Manchester United will line up a move for Hamburg midfielder Piotr Trochowski if they fail to sign his Germany team-mate Mesut Ozil from Werder Bremen.
Ozil is out of contract next summer but is rumoured to be keen to move away from the Bundesliga this year after impressing at the World Cup.
Bremen are equally desperate not to lose out on a potential transfer windfall by letting his existing deal run out and risk being forced to settle for a cut-price fee.
However, the Turkish-born playmaker is not short of potential suitors - with Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester City, and Spurs all rumoured to be interested.
As a result, Sir Alex Ferguson has identified another German World Cup hero in Trochowski who could add an extra dimension to United's midfield.
The Hamburg player would also represent more of a bargain, with Bremen thought to be demanding upwards of £30million for Ozil.
Manchester United will line up a move for Hamburg midfielder Piotr Trochowski if they fail to sign his Germany team-mate Mesut Ozil from Werder Bremen.
Ozil is out of contract next summer but is rumoured to be keen to move away from the Bundesliga this year after impressing at the World Cup.
Bremen are equally desperate not to lose out on a potential transfer windfall by letting his existing deal run out and risk being forced to settle for a cut-price fee.
However, the Turkish-born playmaker is not short of potential suitors - with Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester City, and Spurs all rumoured to be interested.
As a result, Sir Alex Ferguson has identified another German World Cup hero in Trochowski who could add an extra dimension to United's midfield.
The Hamburg player would also represent more of a bargain, with Bremen thought to be demanding upwards of £30million for Ozil.
A: SAF has said we're not likely to sign anyone
B: There are no reliable sources ANYWHERE which suggest we have even enquired about Ozil. All that does exist are some dodgy fan football 'news' sites who probably read a conversation on here where people were jizzing over Ozil and convinced themselves that United are in for him
C: The last player we signed who was subject to such levels in crazed, transfer-deprived hysteria on here was Berbatov. Look what happened there
I know a guy from turkey who told me his second cousin knows a guy who lives in Germany who met Ozil on the street and asked him if he was going to United, he winked and said "sure".
So I'd say that is pretty much confirmed.
So I'd say that is pretty much confirmed.
Can't wait till Monday when this transfer is meant to be "done" and it isn't.
This thread will reach 5000 posts by then... ...about nothing
Well Cleverley is staying now (according to SAF in this mornings presser), which makes a move for Ozil look even more unlikely now.
Sorry muppets, think this one's dead in the water
Sorry muppets, think this one's dead in the water
I happen to be very optimistic we won't sign him.
link?
Just said on SSN. Diouf is allowed out on loan along with Welbeck - but not Cleverly.
Yeah cos Cleverly is in the same class as Ozil.
That isn't the point. Cleverley is a Manchester United player and a highly rated one at that. There would be little point in keeping him at the club if he wasn't going to be given games.
With five strikers likely to be at the club during this season (Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez, Owen, and Macheda), and Ozil's best position being in the hole behind the striker, that would necessarily mean that four of those strikers would be left out of most games.
He can also play on either side, of course, but we have several players who can operate in those positions, with Cleverley being one them, although I do believe that he will eventually move inside as he matures.
Whether supporters believe that a player is in the same "class" or not, it should be obvious that the players who are already at the club do influence the managers thinking with regard to possible transfer targets.
Ozil was never a particularly realistic target in the first place, unless players were either sold or allowed to go out on loan.
What he said.
Who said such a thing?
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