Mesut Özil

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RedSky At Night said:
Back on subject, I wouldn't be shocked if we put in a panicish bid in for him late in the window when another team comes sniffing for him. Its the usual United way.
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I'm not so sure, I can see something happening pretty quickly as the CL final qualifying round is the 17-18th Aug and a week later. So, I can see a team wanting to wrap it up before he's ineligible for the CL for the rest of that season
 
Wayne_Rooney said:
It is a big loss. We hassled and unsettled Bayern in order to get him. One of the longest transfer saga's I'm aware of. Played 20ish games and he was what, 24 million?
His recurring knee injury is just incredibly unfortunate, something we perhaps should have considering before buying him. However, not registering Hargreaves is basically saying career over. Gotta feel for the lad.
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Not registering him wouldn't be a huge loss because if we did register him, there is very little chance that he will play any part before the next transfer window. Hence if we don't register him, we're not losing out on much (in the short term).
 
United Foreign players = 13
VDS
Vidic
Evra
Anderson
Nani
Berbatov
Diouf
Park
Valencia
Kuschzak
De Laet
Hernandez
Hargreaves

United Home Grown over 21 = 12
Neville
Ferdinand
Brown
Owen
Rooney
Carrick
Giggs
Scholes
Oshea
Evans
Fletcher
Gibson

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So if my calcualtions are correct that if we go for Ozil we will need to drop 3!
 
Commadus said:
United Foreign players = 14
VDS
Vidic
Evra
R DA Silva
F Da Silva
Anderson
Nani
Berbatov
Diouf
Park
Valencia
Kuschzak
De Laet
Hernandez

United Home Grown over 21 = 13
Neville
Hargreaves
Ferdinand
Brown
Owen
Rooney
Carrick
Giggs
Scholes
Oshea
Evans
Fletcher
Gibson

So if my calcualtions are correct we have to drop 2 from the list above to make the 25 man squad, but not only that if we go for Ozil we will need to drop 3!
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No Rafael and Fabio.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Incredibally unfortunate? I thought he had problems with his knees at Bayern? I rate the fella, but if we knew he had issues with fitness then spunking 24mill odd on him was a BAD move.

We've learnt from that lesson.

Back on subject, I wouldn't be shocked if we put in a panicish bid in for him late in the window when another team comes sniffing for him. Its the usual United way.
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It was a risky move. Looking at it now, it was certainly a bad move.
It is still unfortunate, whether he had previous problems or not. Certainly no previous problems to the extent of this one.

On Ozil, I'm not fussed if we get him or not. If we are interested, if Sir Alex wants him, why doesn't he put that 12m bid in now? Has he not learnt from Ronaldihno and Benzema? If he's going for the prices mentioned, it's best we put the offer in now. The money must be available for him. If we can spend 17m on two unknown youngsters we can spend a little less than that on a more established playmaker? The worst thing that could happen is entering a bidding war.
 
Wayne_Rooney said:
It was a risky move. Looking at it now, it was certainly a bad move.
It is still unfortunate, whether he had previous problems or not. Certainly no previous problems to the extent of this one.

On Ozil, I'm not fussed if we get him or not. If we are interested, if Sir Alex wants him, why doesn't he put that 12m bid in now? Has he not learnt from Ronaldihno and Benzema? If he's going for the prices mentioned, it's best we put the offer in now. The money must be available for him. If we can spend 17m on two unknown youngsters we can spend a little less than that on a more established playmaker? The worst thing that could happen is entering a bidding war.
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Huh? You think we missed out on Ronaldinho and Benzema because we waited too long to make a bid?
 
Mesut Ozil's soccer future remains unclear - Raphael Honigstein - SI.com

Mesut Özil didn't have time to chat with reporters upon his return to team training on Monday -- the Werder Bremen press department desperately needed him to pose for photos in the new shirt for the 2010-11 season and sign autographs.

But supporters of the Bundesliga club would be well advised to desist from investing in a new kit bearing the name of the German international. The 21-year-old is a player "on call," as local newspaper Weser Kurier puts it, and unlikely to see any action in a green jersey next season. A move to a bigger, more star-studded club beckons for the attacking midfielder, who was one of the World Cup's outstanding performers.

His Germany teammate Sami Khedira has already heeded the call. The 23-year-old signed a five-year deal with Real Madrid last week. VfB Stuttgart received an estimated $19 million as a transfer fee for the central midfielder, who had one year left on his contract with the Swabians. Stuttgart felt that it had no choice but to cash in on the player, because Khedira could have walked away as a free agent next summer.

Özil's situation is, on the face of it, very similar. He, too, is in his final season at the Weserstadion. Talks about extending his contract broke down before the World Cup. Soccer logic dictates that Bremen follow Stuttgart's lead and take the money now. But it's not quite as simple as that.

The player himself, for one, is on the record as saying that he's willing to see out the last year at Werder.

"The situation is clear for the next 12 months," Özil told Bild am Sonntag shortly before he joined his club mates at their preseason base in Austria. "I'm here now, that's what counts."

One is tempted to dismiss these sentiments as pure lip-service, but they do in fact reflect a genuine concern that a transfer might not be in his best interest at the moment. Sources familiar with matter told SI.com that talks with Real Madrid and Barcelona proved inconclusive, as neither club could convince Özil and his agent Reza Fazeli that he would be an automatic starter. Madrid have Kaka and Rafael van der Vaart playing in his position, Barcelona boast an array of small attack-minded midfielders and a certain Lionel Messi.

His personal sponsors Nike have reportedly also cautioned against a move that might see him spend most of the coming months sitting on the bench. The Portland-based sports company want to make Özil the German face of their campaigns and would prefer him starring in the Bundesliga rather than playing a bit part in Spain.

There are other considerations, as well. Özil, the son of Turkish immigrants, is still a very young player, on and off the pitch. Another year in the relative sedate surroundings of northern Germany would help him grow as a person and afford him more time to hone his game. It's sometimes overlooked that last season was not just marked by his breakthrough in the national team but also marred by inconsistent performances at club level. Guaranteed playing time in a team built around him can only benefit his development.

Staying put is probably the more lucrative option for the player in the medium-term, too. As a free agent, Özil could command a huge sign-on-bonus on top of his wages in 12 months time. A sizable part of the $22 million Werder might make from his sale this year would thus go straight to him instead.

That, conversely, constitutes a very good reason for Werder to sell now. But the economic case for the deal isn't that clear-cut, either. Bremen has an important qualification tie for the Champions League coming up in two weeks. Failure to reach the competition's group stage would cost it an estimated $27 million -- more than the proceeds from the Özil sale, in other words. But if Özil plays in those games, he will be barred from turning out in the Champions League for other teams, and therefore considerably less valuable on the market.

Sporting director Klaus Allofs is faced with a tough choice. Those who have sat in on his media briefings in Austria over the last few days are under the impression that he has already made it, though.

"If there are any offers [for Özil], we will think about them," the 53-year-old on Tuesday.

Contrast this statement with Allofs' categorical refusal to listen to advances for Bremen defender Per Mertesacker -- "He will stay with us, 100 percent" -- and you'll find that Werder appears quite willing to make the deal. A replacement for Özil seems on the way, too: Brazilian creative player Wesley (FC Santos), who is also wanted by Benfica, is close to signing a deal with Bremen, according to reports.

Still, Allofs cannot sell Özil against his wishes. That effectively rules out Barcelona and Real Madrid as potential buyers -- for the moment. A high-profile move to the Premier League seems the most likely outcome, provided one of the three clubs that have privately expressed an interest so far (Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United) can agree to terms with Özil and present a creditable scenario pertaining to his starting chances.

The future of one of Europe's brightest talents should be decided in the next few days. Fazeli's mobile phone better have a strong battery life.

Read more: Mesut Ozil's soccer future remains unclear - Raphael Honigstein - SI.com
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Hargreaves isn't considered homegrown either. The player must have played 3 years before the age of 21 in Wales or England - so he doesn't count.

Rafael and Fabio don't need to be registered as they are under 21 as of Jan 1 2010 and will not need to be registered next season either technically as they won't turn 21 till July next year.

I believe Amos though under 21 will be registered because of the whole goalkeeper and and if you need to get an emergency loan thing - he needs to be registered (not sure what it was - something I read in one of the other threads and didn't pay too much attn to it).
 
Shimo said:
Hargreaves isn't considered homegrown either. The player must have played 3 years before the age of 21 in Wales or England - so he doesn't count.

Rafael and Fabio don't need to be registered as they are under 21 as of Jan 1 2010 and will not need to be registered next season either technically as they won't turn 21 till July next year.

I believe Amos though under 21 will be registered because of the whole goalkeeper and and if you need to get an emergency loan thing - he needs to be registered (not sure what it was - something I read in one of the other threads and didn't pay too much attn to it).
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No need for him to be registered because of his age, he can still play whenever he wants.
 
Edited my post above - thanks to the corrections.

So it would mean for Ozil to come in someone would have to drop out. Likely candidates are Hargreaves, Diouf, De laet.
 
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No need for him to be registered because of his age, he can still play whenever he wants.
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Doesn't need to be registered for the new squad rules but, there was something regarding him being registered or if something happens to VDS and TK at the same time- we couldn't apply for a emergency loan like Shitty did last year. I could be wrong though - just what I remember reading in the 25 Person squad threads.
 
so have we signed him then? if not then why not?
 
Updated - Pogue, Shimo + others

United Foreign players = 13
VDS
Vidic
Evra
Anderson
Nani
Berbatov
Diouf
Park
Valencia
Kuschzak
De Laet
Hernandez
Hargreaves

United Home Grown over 21 = 13
Neville
Ferdinand
Brown
Owen
Rooney
Carrick
Giggs
Scholes
Oshea
Evans
Fletcher
Gibson
Amos (added because if he is not included we could not bring in another GK if we have an injury crisis)


So we need to drop one of the players above to make the 25 man limit and drop another to bring in Ozil.
 
Shimo said:
Doesn't need to be registered for the new squad rules but, there was something regarding him being registered or if something happens to VDS and TK at the same time- we couldn't apply for a emergency loan like Shitty did last year. I could be wrong though - just what I remember reading in the 25 Person squad threads.
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Now I follow, I think that would be a risk worth taking if it allowed us to reinforce our midfield though.
 
Manchester United are being linked with a move for Real Madrid midfielder Lassana Diarra after missing out on Mesut Ozil.

Ozil has put an end to all the speculation surrounding his future by saying he will stay with Werder Bremen next season and Sir Alex Ferguson is now looking at alternatives.
"For now, my situation for the next 12 months is clear," Ozil revealed. "Only the facts count and the fact is, I am under contract with Werder. I cannot know what comes after that."
Rumours now claim that Ferguson will turn to Diarra and could be ready to pay the £19million that would activate a clause in his contract allowing him to leave.
There is every chance Real could let him go anyway following the arrival of German international Sami Khedira, while they also have Xabi Alonso on board.
As doubts surround the future of Owen Hargreaves, a midfielder is on Ferguson's wanted list and bid could be on the cards for the former Chelsea, Arsenal and Portsmouth midfielder.


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Looks like Ozil is smart he gets CL football with Werder and then signs for a Spanish club on mega wages.

We won't be going for Diarra that is pure bullshit.
 
Drifter said:
Manchester United are being linked with a move for Real Madrid midfielder Lassana Diarra after missing out on Mesut Ozil.

Ozil has put an end to all the speculation surrounding his future by saying he will stay with Werder Bremen next season and Sir Alex Ferguson is now looking at alternatives.
"For now, my situation for the next 12 months is clear," Ozil revealed. "Only the facts count and the fact is, I am under contract with Werder. I cannot know what comes after that."
Rumours now claim that Ferguson will turn to Diarra and could be ready to pay the £19million that would activate a clause in his contract allowing him to leave.
There is every chance Real could let him go anyway following the arrival of German international Sami Khedira, while they also have Xabi Alonso on board.
As doubts surround the future of Owen Hargreaves, a midfielder is on Ferguson's wanted list and bid could be on the cards for the former Chelsea, Arsenal and Portsmouth midfielder.


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:rolleyes:
You might want to read the thread before posting in the future. ;)
 
Drifter said:
Manchester United are being linked with a move for Real Madrid midfielder Lassana Diarra after missing out on Mesut Ozil.

Ozil has put an end to all the speculation surrounding his future by saying he will stay with Werder Bremen next season and Sir Alex Ferguson is now looking at alternatives.
"For now, my situation for the next 12 months is clear," Ozil revealed. "Only the facts count and the fact is, I am under contract with Werder. I cannot know what comes after that."
Rumours now claim that Ferguson will turn to Diarra and could be ready to pay the £19million that would activate a clause in his contract allowing him to leave.
There is every chance Real could let him go anyway following the arrival of German international Sami Khedira, while they also have Xabi Alonso on board.
As doubts surround the future of Owen Hargreaves, a midfielder is on Ferguson's wanted list and bid could be on the cards for the former Chelsea, Arsenal and Portsmouth midfielder.


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Old quotes, we've chewed them over ceaselessly and decided it's not evidence beyond reasonable doubt.
 
From Bremen's point of view it makes financial sense to sell him now.
If Mourinho wants him, wouldn't he just buy him now for a cut price, like with Khedira, rather than wait a year?
If Barca want him, why are they pursuing Fabregas, who plays in a similar position?
Conclusion: he is unlikely to be moving to Real or Barca, but may go somewhere else, e.g. the prem.
 
Those quotes are days old and I'm sure Fergie sees Diarra a an alternative to Ozil, I mean they are so similar in their styles of play. :rolleyes:
 
The Diarra instead of Ozil maybe in that we only have one signing in us and if Ozil isn't happening then maybe we'll turn our attention to Diarra. That isn't a big leap because the most obvious hole is proper cover for Flether is non-existent at this time - with Anderson/Hargo out.

Barca to me just doesn't make sense for Ozil but, then he might be like Fabregas and be content to play squad role to win medals - which they'll do. It's a nice place too from what I hear.

Madrid - if Kaka doesn't perform this season then Ozil could take over next year on a free, so maybe their standpoint is lets see if Kaka does it and if he doesn't and Ozil is available on a free next year, we offer him sign on bonus for a fraction of what we would have paid Werder now (plus selling Kaka on).

It's strange to suggest he might start a lot of games at any of United, Chelsea and Arsenal. It will be almost hard for him to be a regular starter in any of those clubs as Madrid or Barca at least right now. At United in a year - he may have a lot more chance if both Giggs and Scholes depart.
 
Going for Diarra because we've missed out on Ozil is like going for Lucio because we missed out on Villa. Completely different players.
 
kietotheworld said:
Going for Diarra because we've missed out on Ozil is like going for Lucio because we missed out on Villa. Completely different players.
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Not entirely accurate. Say we believe the skint comments and we have enough money to buy a player for 15-20m, we go for Ozil who is available right now and could be one for the future - more about the timing rather than immediate need. We can't get him and another player comes on the market like Diarra that can fill a need - so we look at him instead.

Going for Ozil and missing out on Ozil doesn't mean we then go for the next best attacking type player he is. Just then look at what other players are out there that can still improve the squad.
 
If Carrick turns out to be seriously injured, we should really (the more) consider making a bid for him...
 
Godfather said:
If Carrick turns out to be seriously injured, we should really (the more) consider making a bid for him...
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Even if he's not seriously injured we should be signing Ozil. He fits all the categories of our transfer policy and won't cost too much.

We can't rely on Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Scholes and Gibson to go an entire season injury/suspension free.
 
Mick1991 said:
It seems to me that he is putting the ball in Bremen's court.
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exactly. he doesn't want to hand in a transfer request as he would lose compensation or whatever its called


Commadus said:
Looks like Ozil is smart he gets CL football with Werder and then signs for a Spanish club on mega wages.

We won't be going for Diarra that is pure bullshit.
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this, like we need another defensive-minded midfielder
 
Shimo said:
Hargreaves isn't considered homegrown either. The player must have played 3 years before the age of 21 in Wales or England - so he doesn't count.
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Surely the three years rule is only for foreign players? Hargreaves is English, he's gotta be considered homegrown!
 
We learned a horrible lesson in the long winded pursuit of Berba culminating in a frenzied dash across the line. If we are genuinely after Ozil then the deal will be done quickly and behind closed doors.

Chico and Smalling arrivals is a nice example of how we will hpoefully conduct business in the future.
 
Well both teams he could possibly go to will go head to head this Sunday. If ANYTHING is to happen it will be done by then IMO.
 
He'll also be in the same city this weekend with 2 of the teams that are said to have the best chance / most likely to sign him ... Tabloids are going to go nuts.
 
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