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Enigma_87 said:
Priority #1 for him should be that he secures a name for himself first, rather to go to Spain now. If he goes now, he may very well be a second fiddle to Iniesta or Kaka. If he doesn't get playing time, he won't fulfil his potential, it's obvious.

Real buy established footballers, Ozil at the moment is not one. He needs couple of seasons at a top side to become one.

At United he would have the whole package as Pexbo said. He could easily go to Spain in his late 20's. Why would he risk it all now, when there's nothing certain at those two top clubs?
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What about Khedira? Not really established and not a Galactico, yet Real Madrid went for him.

For an intermediate step which lasts about two years, he doesn't need to go to United, that wouldn't be worthwhile from his perspective - he could just as well stay in Bremen. He's still a little boy whose laundry is done by his mother. He won't leave Germany if it's not for the big prize (aka Barcelona or Madrid).
 
Lailiani said:
What about Khedira? Not really established and not a Galactico, yet Real Madrid went for him.

For an intermediate step which lasts about two years, he doesn't need to go to United, that wouldn't be worthwhile from his perspective - he could just as well stay in Bremen. He's still a little boy whose laundry is done by his mother. He won't leave Germany if it's not for the big prize (aka Barcelona or Madrid).
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Mourinho needs a water carrier. Khedira is a good one and can play box to box. Both Diarra's and Gago I don't think they fulfilled the expectations. In any case, Khedira has much better chance for a starting spot than Ozil.

Why would he stay at Bremen? If he decides to stay, he has to sign a contract, and if he signs one I doubt that it'll be for less than 3 years. Why stay another 2-3 years at Bremen when he could compete for the title in England and in the latter stages of CL? Not to mention that he'd get a better salary while doing that.

Real have far too many players in his position - Canales, VDV, Kaka, Granero...
 
Di Maria isn't really an established player either, if we are looking at in terms that madrid only sign players because they sell shirts then he would be a logical buy because of the buzz he has created with his performances off the world cup.

But I think Mourinho would rather work with a rehabilitated pro like Kaka who is well behaved and an excellent pro rather than a young gun who still has to really learn the game.
 
Lailiani said:
What about Khedira? Not really established and not a Galactico, yet Real Madrid went for him.

For an intermediate step which lasts about two years, he doesn't need to go to United, that wouldn't be worthwhile from his perspective - he could just as well stay in Bremen. He's still a little boy whose laundry is done by his mother. He won't leave Germany if it's not for the big prize (aka Barcelona or Madrid).
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Khedira is just a fresh face mourinho is bringing in to replace the Diarra's and Gago.

Do you really think Ozil would just come straight in and find a spot in their attack. I can't see him ousting Kaka for a start.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Mourinho needs a water carrier. Khedira is a good one and can play box to box. Both Diarra's and Gago I don't think they fulfilled the expectations. In any case, Khedira has much better chance for a starting spot than Ozil.

Why would he stay at Bremen? If he decides to stay, he has to sign a contract, and if he signs one I doubt that it'll be for less than 3 years. Why stay another 2-3 years at Bremen when he could compete for the title in England and in the latter stages of CL?
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If (!) he signs another contract for Bremen, it will obviously include some buyout clause. This means that it would be much easier for him to get out of his contract in Bremen than it would be in a case of having a contract with United.

Real have far too many players in his position - Canales, VDV, Kaka, Granero...
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Yes, that's right - but has this ever been actually a problem for Madird? When they signed Kaka and Ronaldo, they also had already more than enough quality players. Spanish clubs can't be understood by common sense, because it's not how they work.

The player has only one year left on his contract and he wants to play for Spain - this means that he wouldn't come too expensive even if they went for him this season. If they go for him next season, they'll even spend almost next to nothing. They will snap him up, they won't think "wow, this Özil lad is pure quality and he will come cheap, but we have enough players, let's be nice and let United sign him up".
 
Pexbo said:
We've got Gill now not Kenyon.


It's hardly masterminded is it? it's common sense. We start now they haggle, we start late and they are in no position to bargain with us.
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Berbatov, Tevez. Two players where we've tried to play some games and get the price as low as possible and one way or another, completely and utterly messed up. On Berbatov we had to pay the absolute top end fee instead of the £25 million we were first prepared to pay, because we left it till the last day. And then with Tevez we were prepared to pay another top end fee, but so late in the day that we missed out on him. We're not very good at these things.

We'd be lucky to get Ozil at an inflated price, let alone on the cheap because we left it till the last day.
 
Pexbo said:
Khedira is just a fresh face mourinho is bringing in to replace the Diarra's and Gago.

Do you really think Ozil would just come straight in and find a spot in their attack. I can't see him ousting Kaka for a start.
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No, I don't think he will be an immediate success. He's still very young, he will have to adapt to a new country, language and league and he will have to find his spot among those big egos.

But since when have all those things stopped players from going to Spain or clubs like Madrid and Barca from signing new players?

I really do not want to be a fun wrecker, I'd love United to sign him. But I predict a huge disappointment, because the vibe you get from him now and have gotten from him over the years as well as the current transfer stories in the German press don't point to a United transfer at all.
 
Lailiani said:
If (!) he signs another contract for Bremen, it will obviously include some buyout clause. This means that it would be much easier for him to get out of his contract in Bremen than it would be in a case of having a contract with United.



Yes, that's right - but has this ever been actually a problem for Madird? When they signed Kaka and Ronaldo, they also had already more than enough quality players. Spanish clubs can't be understood by common sense, because it's not how they work.

The player has only one year left on his contract and he wants to play for Spain - this means that he wouldn't come too expensive even if they went for him this season. If they go for him next season, they'll even spend almost next to nothing. They will snap him up, they won't think "wow, this Özil lad is pure quality and he will come cheap, but we have enough players, let's be nice and let United sign him up".
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you look it only in Madrids perspective. Ozil said that he adores Spain and all. That's ok, but if Ozil himself want to go there bad then we don't stand a chance that's obvious. However, would that be better for him? He won't be able to play in most of the games, no way Kaka, who they bought for 70 mills last year would be benched.

Ozil may very well go to United, or another top club for the same ammount of time he would spend at Bremen waiting to be snapped up. Really if he moves to a top club it will be a step up for him. Why stay another year at Bremen when he could easily not be the flavor of the month next year?

You said it yourself, Ozil is young and needs to develop his game, where is a better place for him to do that? At Barca/Real or at United where he could play almost every game?

Madrid may very well turn to somebody else next year, the ammount of flashlight Ozil would get at Werder may not be sufficient.
 
Enigma_87 said:
he's good but nowhere near Kaka's shirt selling capabilities. ANd this matters the most for Madrid.

Not to mention that they already got Canales, who is also young and plays in his position.

I don't think he'll end in Real, to be perfectly honest.

Well, at least not now or next year.
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Good point, there are at least 3 players in both of the positions Ozil plays in at the club already.
 
Ekeke said:
Berbatov, Tevez. Two players where we've tried to play some games and get the price as low as possible and one way or another, completely and utterly messed up. On Berbatov we had to pay the absolute top end fee instead of the £25 million we were first prepared to pay, because we left it till the last day. And then with Tevez we were prepared to pay another top end fee, but so late in the day that we missed out on him. We're not very good at these things.

We'd be lucky to get Ozil at an inflated price, let alone on the cheap because we left it till the last day.
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We chose not to buy Tevez. And given that cnuts behavior over the course of that season, i'm glad we didn't. SAF didn't want to sign a player only to not actually own him which Joorabichian wanted. So effectively it was 30m for a long term loan.
 
marchi-91 said:
We chose not to buy Tevez. And given that cnuts behavior over the course of that season, i'm glad we didn't. SAF didn't want to sign a player only to not actually own him which Joorabichian wanted. So effectively it was 30m for a long term loan.
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Offering someone money is a weird way of trying not to buy something.
 
If Ozil is playing the waiting game to join Real then he is playing a very dangerous game. Take Ribery for example. Last season he was the next big thing with Real offering outrageous sums of money to get him, then 1 injury and a bad world cup and he ended up being forgotten by them. If Kaka and De Maria do well and Ozil has a non spectacular season then I can't see Real pouncing for him.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I can't see Real going for Ozil. With Leon, Di Maria and Van Der Vaart still on their books. Plus the young Canales. Mourinho isn't in to stock piling players.
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Thats not true.. at Chelsea he would buy players for the sake of it. SWP stinking up the bench for one springs to mind.
 
Raees said:
Thats not true.. at Chelsea he would buy players for the sake of it. SWP stinking up the bench for one springs to mind.
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I don't really think he had total control over transfers though. It was Abramovich that signed Shevchenko and it was no secret that Mourinho didnt really want him.

It would be interesting to see if Perez let's Mourinho do his job, or like every other Madrid boss gives him a list of players to sign, and expect him to do the job.
 
Raees said:
Thats not true.. at Chelsea he would buy players for the sake of it. SWP stinking up the bench for one springs to mind.
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He also bought Drogba, Essien and Carvalho - the core of the team. Obviously there were a few bad transfer here and there but mostly he's been successful with his acquisitions. Also Ashley Cole was his signing, though it was a no-brainer really with his ability, same goes for Ballack. I think Malouda was also signed by Mourinho at the end of his spell.

SWP was a typical Mourinho signing I'd say - a winger that was never going to play, he does that each time he joins a new club, did the same with Inter by signing Mancini and Quaresma, then never played them. It's almost like he intends to switch to using wingers but he cannot.

And when you look at his record at Inter it's excellent as well - he managed to revitalize players like Lucio and Motta, and allowed Milito to shine when it looked like he was going to keep playing for random mid-table sides for another decade.
 
He's doing class for me in my new FM game. Probs should sign him up based on that fact alone.
 
Pexbo said:
It's hardly masterminded is it? it's common sense. We start now they haggle, we start late and they are in no position to bargain with us.
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They could say exactly the same. Just as we ended up paying more for Berbatov, we could end up being forced by time into paying more for someone at the end of the window.
 
Mitch Conor said:
agreed - but then what happens with Berbatov, Hernandez, Owen, Macheda if we go with a predominantly 451?

I do think we could play 442 with Ozil in the side though - just depends on the game.

I think he could be played centrally in most of our home games in a season - the games we dominate possession in - we don't generally need two central players offering defensive work all that often. There is also a possibility of playing him from the left of the midfield 4 - I know he would drift, but it could work (similar to how Ronaldo played). That type of role, with Evra overlapping and giving the width and pulling players away could work for Ozil, but i'm not entirely sure on it - just a thought. If that is a plan though, Nani gets dropped to the bench for it, but I suppose that is life at United; if you are good enough you will play and if Nani isn't up to the competition for a place on the left then so be it.
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Ozil wouldn't be pigeon-holed into just one particular position. He'd give us options, capable of playing a few different positions in different formations. So he wouldn't be competing with any player in particular, and there are plenty of games to go around.

In a 442 he could play on the left wing, with Nani or Valencia on the right. He might be capable of playing in the centre next to Fletcher as well, although I would be a bit worried about that. He could also play behind Rooney, although that might be more of a 451. In a 4231 he could play as any of the '3'.
 
Lailiani said:
For an intermediate step which lasts about two years, he doesn't need to go to United, that wouldn't be worthwhile from his perspective - he could just as well stay in Bremen. He's still a little boy whose laundry is done by his mother. He won't leave Germany if it's not for the big prize (aka Barcelona or Madrid).
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What a load of shit!

He'd get to:

- Treble his wages
- Work with Sir Alex Ferguson, Scholes and Rooney
- Play in the stadium with the highest attendance in the world
- Become a household name in footie at the biggest club in the world
 
KingMinger22 said:
What a load of shit!

He'd get to:

- Treble his wages
- Work with Sir Alex Ferguson, Scholes and Rooney
- Play in the stadium with the highest attendance in the world
- Become a household name in footie at the biggest club in the world
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At Real he would:

- Quadruple his wages
- Work with Mourinho, Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema, Alonso, Maicon and his German team-mate Khedira + more.
- Play in an 80,000 seater stadium
- Rot on the bench...

I think he's staying at Bremen anyway.
 
I cant see Ozil coming because Fergie probably would prefer a homegrown player to come in as Ozil might come for 3 seasons and then feck off! Matty James looks promising and then Jack Rodwell is such a talent and has great attacking skills that he could maybe be moulded into a playmaker so I would think that Fergie is thinking more of James in a couple of years or Rodwell in 1 year if he can squeeze him out of Evertons fist! But if Ozil is available on the lat day of the window for a cut price then why not!
 
Ringo 07 said:
I cant see Ozil coming because Fergie probably would prefer a homegrown player to come in as Ozil might come for 3 seasons and then feck off! Matty James looks promising and then Jack Rodwell is such a talent and has great attacking skills that he could maybe be moulded into a playmaker so I would think that Fergie is thinking more of James in a couple of years or Rodwell in 1 year if he can squeeze him out of Evertons fist! But if Ozil is available on the lat day of the window for a cut price then why not!
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I totally agree, it seems that SAF is looking more at promoting within rather than going out and splashing the cash - whether its because we have no money or he sees theres no value in the market i dont see us signing anyone and giving one or two of the reserves a run in the first team. It could be a risk but if SAF thinks its just then who am i to complain
 
Not sure if old quotes, but Bremen GM Klaus Allofs saying this on Ozil (translated with Google):

"We have spoken before the World Cup with him about a new contract and will do it again now . But we are not here when he comes tomorrow , grind from one session to the next. State is today: Mesut will continue to play for Werder , because there are no concrete offers. If an offer comes, we will talk with Mesut promptly and his consultant . Should he go actually , we do not necessarily respond . We have enough attacking midfield player. "
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Girls think he's cute? What the feck?

He looks like some creature that lives in your closet.
 
The Physio said:
So, Ozil?
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He is flying in to Manchester on Monday from his vacation.

Or he is flying to Bremen;

or he is flying to Madrid to tell them to get him on pre-contract in January.

Don't care who but, unless a club knows they'll get him to sign for them on a free next year - some club should take a punt on him now. Bremen need the money and a talent that could be one day classified as best in the world.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
WM-Held Mesut Özil: Ich bleibe noch ein Jahr bei Werder Bremen - Sport - Werder Bremen - Fußball-Bundesliga - Bild.de

I´m staying at Werder for another season
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BILD am Sonntag: How much are you looking forward extension of the national coach Loew and manager Bierhoff?

Mesut Özil (21): Very! Both Mr. Loew and Mr. Bierhoff have made the greatest contribution to success in recent years. They have former Under-21 players as given me confidence and made the transition to the A-national team very professional.

Can you already looking forward to the new season?

And how! I have intentionally omitted entirely in the holiday weeks on the ball. Now I'm longing. I'm hungry again after football.

But we see you all again in the Werder-shirt?

But of course. Already on Monday. There goes off for me the training.

Sami Khedira moves to Real. Also, you are always brought in connection with Madrid. How much you irritate a move to Mourinho?

I'm very happy for Sami, his fingers crossed. It is very good for German football that the big clubs interested in German players. In recent years, there were only Michael Ballack, who has represented the German soccer at a top club. I am a Werder player, external me to other clubs.

Lying in front of you at all offers from top clubs?

Klaus Allofs has already said that there are no bids.

How much you flatter the exchange speculation?

That I have never participated. For me, only facts count. The fact is that I am under contract at Werder.

Were you ever with 21 ripe enough for the country?

It is not a question of age, but one of attitude and quality.

When do you want to have clarified the question about your future?

First, but the situation for the next 12 months has been resolved. What's next, can I now do not know yet.

Have you ever even think that Werder will hold?

Why should it be different? Especially since we still have one year contract. In addition, I have indeed left a good impression. It was in every respect so far been a harmonious and prosperous co-existence.

What do you advise family and friend?

With my agent and the family I trade me about everything. I have always opted for the sporting perspective and challenge. They have always supported me. So far we have done everything right.

Should it not come to a switch: What opportunities can make Werder still on an extension?

Once again, I've been two and a half years when I am with Werder, never voiced any intentions of changing. I had last year received an offer from abroad, but never thought of it, but I focused on my job at Werder.

I am a friend of honesty. Some extend their long-term contracts on better terms, but want to go after two weeks. That had never done before, but always respected the Treaty, and filled with joy. I mean that as a footballer in his career, more than enough money. I pursue my sporting goals in the first place.

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thanks to google translate
 
My translation was "If I see out this year with Werder, wherever I go next year I can get massive wages and a fat signing on fee due to being a free agent."
 
basicallly he s threathening werder to let him go at a small fee or else he ll quit within a year on a free.
 
dailystar.co.uk/football/view/147160/Mezut-Ozil-I-dream-of-playing-for-Manchester-United/

Bur not only.....
 
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