I highly doubt we're the only club interested in making a bid.
Mesut Özil
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Yes it would be devastating to get 4 good years from him then sell him for 50 million
At £12M, we should add in a free blow-job for the Bremen president.
That's the title of today's Kicker:
If it's <£20,000,000 then bloody sign him up already, what are you waiting for SAF?
Werder want a bidding war. Man City are ready to outbid anyone even their own shadow.
Does Ozil want to come to England? The lure of La Liga is 2 clubs. The lure of the Prem is Arsenal, Chelsea and United. Don't underestimate the lure of London.
The problem at Real is they have enough players fighting for a few places. I doubt he could walk into the Barca team.
Realistically Arsenal are not in the bidding which leaves both Chelsea and ourselves.
In the end we won't know his real intentions unless we formalise a bid.
Does Ozil want to come to England? The lure of La Liga is 2 clubs. The lure of the Prem is Arsenal, Chelsea and United. Don't underestimate the lure of London.
The problem at Real is they have enough players fighting for a few places. I doubt he could walk into the Barca team.
Realistically Arsenal are not in the bidding which leaves both Chelsea and ourselves.
In the end we won't know his real intentions unless we formalise a bid.
Think we can rule out City, hes made it clear hes only interested in going to one of europes elite clubs to win titles, he and his advisors i believe.
Said himself Champions league and trophies... We can offer that, especially with him on board. The transfer would be too perfect to make sense for United, however we tried to get him before and Fergie is kean when it comes to persuing past targets i.e Berbatov, David Villa even Blanc.
Wereder need to weigh up - how much is a season of Ozil worth to them. If they keep him they lose any chance of making money on him but at least they have hime for another year.
34 starts, 3 subs, 9 goals and 14 assists.
WB are in the CL play offs after finishing third.
34 starts, 3 subs, 9 goals and 14 assists.
WB are in the CL play offs after finishing third.
That's the title of today's Kicker:
Assuming that Kicker story is made up, I'm wondering why on earth someone would do that.
Why not just make up a rumour rather than make up what some real magazine thinks about that rumour, which can be easily disproved. Strange?
I guess the fact we are talking about it is a reason. Falling into the trap.
This thread though
Love it.I don't think we will sign Ozil because it would mean one of Berba or Nani making way.
Ozil plays best in a 4-3-3 which would mean No Berba and Nani v Ozil for the left sided attacker.
If we play 4-4-2 I dont see Ozil playing as a left winger as he does not do the defensive side as well. He would be better playing down the middle as he has done at times for WB so it woud be him v Berba for the position of second striker.
Signing Ozil may seem brilliant on the surface but it would mean some tough decisions for SAF. SAF has shown his faith in Berba and Nani has signed a new deal and has SAF backing so I don't think this deal will happen.
Ozil plays best in a 4-3-3 which would mean No Berba and Nani v Ozil for the left sided attacker.
If we play 4-4-2 I dont see Ozil playing as a left winger as he does not do the defensive side as well. He would be better playing down the middle as he has done at times for WB so it woud be him v Berba for the position of second striker.
Signing Ozil may seem brilliant on the surface but it would mean some tough decisions for SAF. SAF has shown his faith in Berba and Nani has signed a new deal and has SAF backing so I don't think this deal will happen.
If Luka Modric can adopt a role in a central midfield 2 i see no reason why Ozil cant, similiar build/stature, very similiar styled players who both probably prefer the free role just in behind the striker.
Berba leaving to make way for Ozil. Now we have two reasons to get him.
Yeah and where do Tottenham get with that formation - nowhere. Playing Ozil in a two man midfield is a recipe for disaster and SAF would never play it.
It's why all the rubbish regards Modric joining United was hot air.
The champions league perhaps?
In suspect Fergie sees Modric as Scholes replacement. If we are interested in buying somebody I suspect it's Modric. But 'Arry won't sell until he's found a replacement. I bet I'm not far off the truth!
I dunno, I think Ozil is more versatile than you're giving him credit for. We usually only play 4-4-2 at home and against lower teams anyway so i wouldn't see Ozil behind Berba/Rooney as that bad (as Scholes did back in the day) against those teams.
Exactly.
Lol
See what they do in the CL. Seriously if you think Ozil in a midfield 2 will work lets just say I disagree.
Redknapp only knows 4-4-2 and thats it. The best teams in the CL don't play that and I suggest you read the link below by one of is not the best football commentator.
The Question: What next for 4-4-2? | Jonathan Wilson | Sport | guardian.co.uk
Tottenham also outplayed and comfortably beat last seasons champions at white hart lane playing with Modric in a midfield 2.
To say it gets them nowhere after their best season in decades is at best rather silly at worst fecking idiotic..
To say it gets them nowhere after their best season in decades is at best rather silly at worst fecking idiotic..
So we can play 4-4-2 with Ozil in midfield against lesser sides when at home - that't not many matches is it.
We won't be buying Ozil as to fit him into the team means one of Berba or Nani will have to make way. Ozil is not good at tracking back and making him do that could affect his game.
Im not advocating buying ozil and playing him exclusively in a 2 man midfield, nor am i saying its his best role, it clearly isnt, what im saying is for the majority of matches we play against the lesser sides im pretty confident in saying Ozil is more than capable of playing in a midfield 2, he wont play in a 2 against the better sides because as a side we don’t play that way in said matches.
Anyway its all academic really, he wont be coming here so it’s a mute point.
Yeah one game. As I said PL and CL are different - play that in the CL and see what happens.
So what play him in weak matches in midfield - kinda pointless just to make a point isnt it. Why not play him off the front man then?
He won't be coming as I think SAF has faith in Berba and Nani.
Experience in the position and experience having to do the dirty work associated with it. And how do we know Ozil wants to become a central midfielder? If he wanted to be one, wouldnt he already be one? If Ozil can play central midfield why cant Berbatov for example? Berbatov defends more than him (or Silva, who we had this weird theory about as well). So?
What dirty work does Modric do exactly i must have missed it? Modric like Ozil has exclusivly played in between the lines in that free role off the front be it a club level or for Croatia, but has shown at Spurs when required hes capable of playing from a little deeper in a midfield pair still with licence to get forward and create but just from a starting point 10 yards deeper on the pitch....whats to suggest Ozil cant do the same given hes very similiar in stature and style to Modric?
And is there any need to keep bringing Berbatov up in every discussion? Berbatovs a striker Ekeke, hes been a striker for his entire carear, Ozils not a striker, any comparison is futile.
Sorry my post was a little confusing. I meant we play 4-4-2 at home against big teams quite often and home or away against the lesser teams. As it stands Berbatov doesn't play away at the big four anyway, Ozil would be replacing Carrick or Scholes (as he cant play every game), so it wouldn't effect Berba/Nani's appearances at all imo.
Probably did, afterall it was just one game he played central midfield and then again in the next one after an hour or so and changes were made. Modric played deeper than Huddlestone. Positionally he's in the right places to plug holes in the midfield and obviously he attempts to close players down and tackle even though he's crap at it. Ozil doesnt put much effort into defending (its okay, he doesnt have to), he doesnt defend positionally because one of his best qualities is picking up advanced positions and making runs to occupy the defence. If he does that from midfield it leaves huge gaps the opposition can break through at will.
Berbatov, when played in the hole, did a good job plugging holes with his position, dropping into a midfield area when we didnt have the ball. And he does decently closing players down and tackling. These are the qualities Ozil would need to suddenly discover if he was going to be a central midfielder.
As I said, we had this weird little theory in the Silva thread too. But being one of the few who had to watch a couple of matches with Silva playing central midfield, and his team getting raped, I can safely say its a bollocks theory. Unless a player can fulfill the defensive responsibilities of the role, he needs to stay away from central midfield.
The attacking midfield/hole position is made for these players.
Sigh, can we make this clear as its getting rather tiresome having to repeat it, NO ONE is suggesting we try and turn Ozil into an orthodox central midfielder, the point was against lesser sides especially at home there’s no reason why Ozil, accompanied by a Fletcher type couldn’t be a success in a two man midfield partnership if required, hence meaning we wouldn’t have to drop a striker (Berbatov) or a wide player (Nani) to get him in the team as was previously suggested.
Theres no point getting any deeper into this discussion because the player wont be coming here for any of these 'situation's to arise.
Any premier league team can bring it on a given day and punish us for taking liberties like that. If a player cant do the defensive responsibility of a given role, its a big gamble. As much of a gamble as it would have been to play to Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov from the start each week.
What's this nonsense about Spurs only playing 442?
agreed - but then what happens with Berbatov, Hernandez, Owen, Macheda if we go with a predominantly 451?
I do think we could play 442 with Ozil in the side though - just depends on the game.
I think he could be played centrally in most of our home games in a season - the games we dominate possession in - we don't generally need two central players offering defensive work all that often. There is also a possibility of playing him from the left of the midfield 4 - I know he would drift, but it could work (similar to how Ronaldo played). That type of role, with Evra overlapping and giving the width and pulling players away could work for Ozil, but i'm not entirely sure on it - just a thought. If that is a plan though, Nani gets dropped to the bench for it, but I suppose that is life at United; if you are good enough you will play and if Nani isn't up to the competition for a place on the left then so be it.
There will be games when playing a 4-4-2 with 2 conventional wingers and two hardworking midfielders (Scholes/Gibson/Carrick/Fletcher/Anderson) would suit us fine while there will be others where the 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 is more appropriate. Ozil would only add competition to Nani (in the 4-4-2 case) or Berba (in the 4-2-3-1). Hernandez/Owen/Macheda competition is Wayne Rooney.
Manchester United are leading the chase for Germany World Cup star, Mesut Ozil.
Sir Alex Ferguson is the clear front-runner for the Werder Bremen playmaker, readying a bid of up to £12m to bring his top target to Old Trafford.
Bremen are bracing themselves for a swoop before the transfer window closes at the end of August and expect United to follow up their interest with a firm offer.
United chief executive, David Gill, revealed this week that money is available to sign a world class player.
And having scoured the talent at this summer’s World Cup, Ferguson believes Ozil has the potential to be the long-term successor to Paul Scholes and boost his bid to regain the Premier League title.
The 21-year-old was one of the stand-out performers in South Africa, helping Germany reach the semi-finals and he played a key role in their 4-1 demolition of England.
But he is available at a cut price with Bremen worried they will lose him for nothing when he is out of contract at the end of the season.
Real Madrid are also monitoring Ozil, but Jose Mourinho is ready to wait until January to negotiate in the hope of signing him on a free.
That gives Ferguson the chance to steal a march on the Spanish giants and land a player who will fit into the club’s policy of signing emerging talent.
Meanwhile, Aalesund director, Henrik Hoff, has confirmed that United are interested in Danish goalkeeper, Anders Lindegaard.
MEN Sport revealed this week that Fergie had targeted the keeper as a long-term successor to Edwin van der Sar.
United lead Ozil race - Manchester Evening News
Sir Alex Ferguson is the clear front-runner for the Werder Bremen playmaker, readying a bid of up to £12m to bring his top target to Old Trafford.
Bremen are bracing themselves for a swoop before the transfer window closes at the end of August and expect United to follow up their interest with a firm offer.
United chief executive, David Gill, revealed this week that money is available to sign a world class player.
And having scoured the talent at this summer’s World Cup, Ferguson believes Ozil has the potential to be the long-term successor to Paul Scholes and boost his bid to regain the Premier League title.
The 21-year-old was one of the stand-out performers in South Africa, helping Germany reach the semi-finals and he played a key role in their 4-1 demolition of England.
But he is available at a cut price with Bremen worried they will lose him for nothing when he is out of contract at the end of the season.
Real Madrid are also monitoring Ozil, but Jose Mourinho is ready to wait until January to negotiate in the hope of signing him on a free.
That gives Ferguson the chance to steal a march on the Spanish giants and land a player who will fit into the club’s policy of signing emerging talent.
Meanwhile, Aalesund director, Henrik Hoff, has confirmed that United are interested in Danish goalkeeper, Anders Lindegaard.
MEN Sport revealed this week that Fergie had targeted the keeper as a long-term successor to Edwin van der Sar.
United lead Ozil race - Manchester Evening News
I'd be delighted if we signed him. It won't happen though. You guys need to stop torturing yourselves.
I wonder which of the rags the MEN plagiarised that from this time.
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