For one reason or another just seen the odds on Ozil signing for us have been dramatically slashed in the last few hours.
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That probably means we're not going to get him then, I remember how Ribery was 4/7 or something equally silly to join Liverpool last Summer when they weren't even interested.
Please stop getting my hopes up.
Probably yeah, i dont expect he'll come here whatsoever anyway just reporting what a few betting sites have been up to regarding the player.
Sorry, but really dont read to much into betting patterns we were odds on to sign Joe cole a few weeks ago only for us to find out we had no interest in him whatsoever.
Seems like this is going to be the "Benzema" thread of this summer. There'll be all sorts of vague media articles, and stories about "odds of the player joining United have been dramatically slashed!" getting peoples hopes up.
And in the end the player will join Madrid.
(He'll hopefully stay away from underage girls though).
And in the end the player will join Madrid.
(He'll hopefully stay away from underage girls though).
He'll join one of Barca or Madrid in all probability.
I thought the Balotelli one already was..
Kind of the point im trying to make. Diego was ace at Werder too, then he flopped elsewhere... Commanded a high fee too....young and skillfull and all that crap. Scored against England.
I remember the muppets last year getting all hot and bothered after Diego scored two in his opening for Juve.
O thats right... but yet we can spend £19m on Ruud Van Nistelrooy playing in the Dutch league and proven nothing then go out and spend £30m on Rio Ferdinand because he had a good world cup!!! What is the difference? The difference is sometimes transfers work sometimes they don't! Hence Veron. He is playing in the Bungeslega growing up in a German environment.. there is nothing Spainish about that league.
He wasn't better than Diego because he was still maturing as a player and the team wasn't built around him. He's only 21 for godness sack. At 21 Diego was rotting in Porto's reserves... so in them terms his done a little better so far hasn't he.
It's not a Jizzfest on here i think the majority of the posters have been very realistic they understand that he is far from the finished article but however if brought we could turn him into an absolutle world better who most importantly is suited to our style of player, like what we did with Ronaldo. I don't get this he is not better than what we have either who in our squad shows the potential to offer the creativity we was seeking for last year?
At the time of the goals what kinda reaction did you expect ?
That was a betting scam involving Skybet which you can't really do any more. Rich investors would heavily back the player to move to a club which in reality he had no links with, the odds on it happening would increase, and as a result, the odds on them staying with their current club would lengthen. Skybet no longer offer odds on a player to stay at their current club, so it'd be a major risk to bet on, and people smart enough to get the amount of money you need to pull off that sort of scam are usually pretty risk averse. Of course, there are other reasons the odds could shorten, 2 unrelated people putting £100 on it, or a ploy from the bookies to generate interest, but it's not the same sort of thing as the Ribery scam.
And afterward SAF admitted that we had bid for Benzema, but it just wasn't enough.
It's just a case of how deep Madrid's pockets are. If they are going to outspend everyone again, then who will be surplus to requirements next year who can perhaps be brought to United from Madrid.
So Ozil to Madrid, Kaka' to Chelsea, Jovetic to Barca? that might leave us in for Hazard next summer. 
Well I'm on holiday in Kenya and the paper reckons we've bid 3 billion shillings for him.
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still no value
So Ozil to Madrid, Kaka' to Chelsea, Jovetic to Barca? that might leave us in for Hazard next summer.
Some would say we're in one right now.
have a good feeling about this little goggle eyed feck.
I think he could be there for the taking if we really want him
All the sounds coming out of Weder Bremen suggest he is there for the taking, contract extension discussions have been closed as no agreemant could be reached, the sporting director at Bremen said their expecting and willing to listen to offers for the player and have aparently dropped their asking price to relative peanuts considering the quality of player were talking about, with Ozil being in the last year of his contract however i suppose theyve got little choice unless their prepared to let him go for nothing next year which obviously their not.
So i suppose if were really looking to find value in what is a hostile market then you cant really go wrong where this lads concerned, ticks all the right boxes including age wise etc, if were looking for a replacement for Scholes this kid is as good as were going to find and at the prices quoted hed be an absolute steal, wed be set for years and wouldnt have to worry about going into next summer with Scholes calling it a day and no replacement at the ready, in my view it would be more than risky to wait right up until Scholes calls it a day before looking into future replacements.
Having said all that i still see him ending up in spain, for around 15 million euroes or so much like what Sneijder went for last summer, which will make it all the more frustrating.
I think most of us can accept when a player simply goes for ridiculous money thats not reasonable and were not going to overspend, but when players of this ability go for considerably less than whats being quoted for the likes of james Milner it becomes frustrating especially when the manager claims theres no value to be found out there.
Awesome Player.
Couldn't agree more, for fecks sake sign him up.
in the 'real' world of football it takes three to tango - the player, his club and the club that wants to sign him.
Some of you here are taking it for granted that ozil prefers us from all the other clubs interested, which may not necessarily be the case
Some of you here are taking it for granted that ozil prefers us from all the other clubs interested, which may not necessarily be the case
Like I said, he's the one player in this window, given his price, potential and position that, if he did want to move clubs, I'd be disgusted not to sign. Obviously it depends on whether he wants to come to us or not too.
Forget your overpriced Milner, Suarez, Balotelli etc.
Forget your overpriced Milner, Suarez, Balotelli etc.
We are Manchester United, what more does he need? Seriously if David Gill or whoever can't sell Utd to a player then he wants to have a good look at himself.
Spanish weather and bitches.
If i were ozil, i would sign tomorrow for MU but not everyone is a united fan
You don't have to be a utd fan to understand what Manchester Utd represents, show the lad some clips of Besty or Cantona and if he doesn't bite then he's a phillistine and not worth thinking about.
Add Robbo, Beckham, Ronaldo, Giggs etc... Like you said if we can't sell United to a player we have to be shot. It's not like we are Newcastle.. players don't need much persuading.
He's indicated we're one of the four clubs that he would like to join (the others being Chelsea, Barca and Real). Now you can never know for sure when you're talking about Real (although Mourinho might install some sanity there) and maybe even Barca these days, but you wouldn't think either of those two would go for him considering they are already extremely well stocked in players of his type and position. Chelsea might be a bit more realistic, but I haven't seen them linked to him (yet).
Believe it or not, some players might prefer Spain to OT. Are they all philistines then?
If you choose the circus over utd then yes, Barca I can just about understand.
What if Real Madrid show him some clips of Zidane, di Stefano, Cristiano Ronaldo and Puskas? All top clubs have had great players, the fact we sell them a lot of our top players goes some way to making them a more attractive proposition than us.
Where does this myth come that we have sold them 'a lot' of our top players?
We've sold them four players in the last 8 years or so. Three of them were basically our cast-offs, players that we were actively looking to sell.
Its more then just the 'circus'. Spanish clubs tend to pay the biggest salaries in football, their low income tax had made them a football's tax haven and the weather is not so bad. Anyway if Ozil wants to play then he should choose Barcelona. I mean they already have Iniesta and Xavi in their team and they look set to add Fabregas to it. Considering that they have Messi and Pedro on the flanks + they have Ibra, Bojan and Villa upfront I think that Ozil may struggle to get a first team place.
We sold them one top player who had won everything at utd, there were no more worlds to conquer. We all know the others didn't want to leave but were forced out.
Real are a lesser club than utd, they might have more trophies but a significant portion of their success was because of their association with a vile dictator. Utd on the other hand rose like a phoenix out of a tragedy, we have no shame in our past, only glory (I've drunk too much and I'm getting a bit slushy but you get my point).
I say again if Ozil doesn't already dream of playing for utd then it wouldn't take much cajoling to make him start, give me half an hour and access to youtube and I'll do it if David Gill cant.
We sold them Beckham who was one of the best flank men England ever had. We sold them Ronaldo who was the best player in the world and Ruud who was one of our finest topscorers ever. Im not saying that we should have kept them at OT. I mean mysteries of all mysteries just 1 year before leaving to Real both Beckham and Ruud's attitude nosedived forcing SAF to do the inevitable. But to call them cast offs is a bit too much.
Heinze was the only castoff, though Ferguson did want Beckham out for mostly non-football reasons. Van Nistelrooy and Ronaldo engineered their moves, really.
Believe it or not players actually prefer to go to clubs that show a real keen interest in them... Being a big club aswell always makes it a bonus. If United should a keen interest in him, he may look twice.
On a purely practical level we should be able to convince him that at Utd he'll be given a chance, he will improve as a player at utd. Benzema missed out on the world cup because he went to that sham of a club over us.
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