The club relied so much on Rooney's goal scoring form last season that an addition of goal scoring, goal creating forward would be quite welcome. Especially when Rooney inevitably fatigues or gets crocked.
Mesut Özil
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The club relied so much on Rooney's goal scoring form last season that an addition of goal scoring, goal creating forward would be quite welcome. Especially when Rooney inevitably fatigues or gets crocked.
Check out his boggly eyes when he does that.
Berbatov Mk II?
Ozil does remind me of Berbatov with his languid style and often half asleep look.
Ozil = Berbatov with pace.
Ozil = Berbatov with pace.
And the ability to play on the wings... And perform on a big stage. And a young player... And left footed. And so on.
New report:
If United don't even try to attempt to snap up Ozil there is something seriously wrong at Old Trafford.
we dont have any money.
yup...sounds like he's officially for sale from what i just heard on fox soccer channel here in the u.s.
Get him get him get him get him!
Maybe the new approach to transfers should simply be to buy Real Madrid's castoffs.
Madrid just wants to buy everyone, meanwhile their castoffs like Sneijder and Robben go on to Champions League success.
If they buy Ozil, then who makes way for him? Or will he be content to sit around on the bench.
At United he'd go straight into the team IMO.
Does the must-have player of last season (Benzema) make way for the must-have player of this season (Ozil)?
Perez =
Madrid just wants to buy everyone, meanwhile their castoffs like Sneijder and Robben go on to Champions League success.
If they buy Ozil, then who makes way for him? Or will he be content to sit around on the bench.
At United he'd go straight into the team IMO.
Does the must-have player of last season (Benzema) make way for the must-have player of this season (Ozil)?
Perez =
A rejected bid for Ozil is enough to make the muppet in me cum.
Maybe the new approach to transfers should simply be to buy Real Madrid's castoffs.
Madrid just wants to buy everyone, meanwhile their castoffs like Sneijder and Robben go on to Champions League success.
If they buy Ozil, then who makes way for him? Or will he be content to sit around on the bench.
At United he'd go straight into the team IMO.
Does the must-have player of last season (Benzema) make way for the must-have player of this season (Ozil)?
Perez =
Valid point about the bench there. Ozil is not a first team player in my opinion. I for one wouldn't start him over a fit Ryan Giggs or Fletcher, lt a lone a valencia or Nani on the wings.
Yes he had a good world cup. A world cup that Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Darren Fletcher, Michael Carrick (no gametime), Valencia, Anderson, Gibson or Nani didnt get a chance to shine at.
For me he is overrated, great passer of the ball and great eye for a throughball but his close control when pressed, prompted him to panic and he wasnt an attacking midfielder that you seen running at players and bamboozling them and having a shot. He simply took the pass and put it elsewhere quickly. A good throughball passer isnt worth 25million if you ask me
I think the muppetry comes or should i say "cums" when he played in that German setup. As said before i dont see how he can improve on what we have or who you would drop.
I reckon Ozil is overrated and overpriced/overvalued.
Some of us actually DO watch the Bundesliga. No I'm not going to say he'd be a dead cert for a success in the Premier League, because you never know. He's still very young and some players find it difficult to adapt to new leagues or countries. But generally, he's absolute first team material and he's proving it at Bremen on a regular basis.Why would anyone not want to sign Ozil, the kid is clearly gold. At 21 he's proven to have good football intelligence, a great eye for a pass, a great left foot, a good turn of pace...
Signing anyone is a risk but i'd say he'd be a risk worth taking.
Signing anyone is a risk but i'd say he'd be a risk worth taking.
Just out of interest, and not to de-rail the thread... But who would you all rather, Gourcuff or Ozil?
It's strange how it's gone all quiet on the Gourcuff front, be it any transfer rumours or even the threads on here.
It's strange how it's gone all quiet on the Gourcuff front, be it any transfer rumours or even the threads on here.
Ozil, without a shadow of a doubt. He's exactly what we need, and when what you need becomes available, you either take it, or rue not taking it.
Simple as that.
tough one. Purely on age i'd go for Ozil, Gourcuff is a bit of an enigma, still a great talent but Ozil for his age shits on Gourcuff. So really not that tough, Ozil all the way!
That is a very good question. After a few sterling WC performances (and a few shit ones from the Frenchman), Ozil is flavour of the month. Tbf, I have heard Caftards bigging him up since last year's Bundesliga performances already, so Ozil is not "out of the blue", but the ones who jizzed in their pants over signing Gourcuff have all gone quiet.
Fergie denies interest in signing the player and yet people are still holding out hopes that Ozil will be some kind of "saviour" for United.
Ozil is going to Real Madrid most likely.
Ozil is going to Real Madrid most likely.
Was always Ozil for me. Partially because I had seen Ozil plenty of times before the world cup and Gourcuff only a few. But Ozil was the player I rated highest out of him, Gourcuff and Silva before the world cup and obviously even more-so now.
With Di Maria, Kaka and Canales and Ronaldo there it's going to be a tough sell to convince him that he'll be a starter. It seems Mourinho wanted to bring Canales in as soon as possible and not loan him to Racing again for a season as had been the agreement till he took over. So that would complicate an Ozil deal immensely.
I think the majority of fans on here bigging him up now would be asking for him to be sold after a season. Said the same with Gourcuff too.
The things they all criticise Berbatov for - laziness, disappearing in games, not enough goals - they're all here with these two as well.
Link? Sorry I may have missed that.. I have followed every post in this thread so I don't know how or when that happened?
But they are still young and that can be changed.. See Gibson for example.. He was very lazy and hardly bothered trying to challenge once a player was past him.. But in the past 1 and a half seasons I have seen a major effort on his part to show the will to run back and try to recover the ball or randomly cover for a player who is out of position..
As for consistency that is also a thing that can be tackled, not easily, but it can be done.. Rooney is a prime example of this.. While age is still on their side I cannot see why players would not be able to improve on their consistency..
Contract talks between Werder Bremen and their highly regarded Germany international Mesut Oezil have come to a close without yielding anything positive for the Bundesliga club, which could give encouragement to a number of leading Premier League clubs who have been linked with the playmaker.
Werder general manager Klaus Allofs was reported by diariovasco as saying: "In our talks we have not found a solution. It is a situation we must accept."
Werder's valuation of the player is thought to be £23 million (€27m), and Allofs went on to say, "I expect bids in the coming weeks or just before the end of the transfer market."
Allofs' statements have been varying as to the future of the young starlet. He had previously stated that Werder would be content to let the one year left on Oezil's contract run down in order to extract another season's worth of performances from him.
"We'd rather not see him leave on a free transfer next year, but it's definitely an option. Mesut is going nowhere for now."
Werder general manager Klaus Allofs was reported by diariovasco as saying: "In our talks we have not found a solution. It is a situation we must accept."
Werder's valuation of the player is thought to be £23 million (€27m), and Allofs went on to say, "I expect bids in the coming weeks or just before the end of the transfer market."
Allofs' statements have been varying as to the future of the young starlet. He had previously stated that Werder would be content to let the one year left on Oezil's contract run down in order to extract another season's worth of performances from him.
"We'd rather not see him leave on a free transfer next year, but it's definitely an option. Mesut is going nowhere for now."
Really sour attitude toward the subject, Brwned. I mean, Berbatov is a 29 year old striker, Ozil is a 21 year old midfielder.
With players in their early 20's, I think it's safe to say most posters on the Cafe have the intellect to understand that development will be a key issue, not a nice bonus (as when you sign a 26 year old plus player).
And as stated above, neither Ozil nor Gourcuff are strikers, whereas Berbatov is...so it's only natural for him to feel pressure regarding goal tally beyond that felt by any midfielder.
The guy has a lot of talent, but I want to play devil's advocate.
He showed absolutely no defensive ambition for Germany (I don't watch him for Bremen). Perhaps this was a byproduct of the system that he played in, or perhaps it was his mentality. Does he defend at all for Bremen? Because, tbh, he seems lazy and the definition of a luxury player.
I don't understand the pressing need for a player like that, especially if he is not any good defensively. He could not fit into our 4-4-2, unless he was the second striker. We have about 7 strikers right now so that's not really what we should be looking at. And if we were after a striker, it would have to be a traditional #9, since that's what we lack.
When we play the 4-5-1 (25-30% of our matches), then he would be our attacking midfielder. However, our attacking midfielder has to be able to defend, and cannot be a slouch. Ozil, while immensely talented, would probably not fulfill the defensive obligations of our 4-5-1, and doesn't even fit into our 4-4-2 AT ALL. The only reason he works in Germany's 4-5-1 (4-2-3-1) is because Muller and Podolski both got back well, and because Khedeira and Schweinsteiger are immense defensively.
What logical reason do you all have to suspect that he would do well for us? Try and imagine him in either of our two systems, where does he fit in, especially in the 4-4-2? Can he do the job defensively in the 4-5-1? This guy is a fantastic player, but not for us IMO
He showed absolutely no defensive ambition for Germany (I don't watch him for Bremen). Perhaps this was a byproduct of the system that he played in, or perhaps it was his mentality. Does he defend at all for Bremen? Because, tbh, he seems lazy and the definition of a luxury player.
I don't understand the pressing need for a player like that, especially if he is not any good defensively. He could not fit into our 4-4-2, unless he was the second striker. We have about 7 strikers right now so that's not really what we should be looking at. And if we were after a striker, it would have to be a traditional #9, since that's what we lack.
When we play the 4-5-1 (25-30% of our matches), then he would be our attacking midfielder. However, our attacking midfielder has to be able to defend, and cannot be a slouch. Ozil, while immensely talented, would probably not fulfill the defensive obligations of our 4-5-1, and doesn't even fit into our 4-4-2 AT ALL. The only reason he works in Germany's 4-5-1 (4-2-3-1) is because Muller and Podolski both got back well, and because Khedeira and Schweinsteiger are immense defensively.
What logical reason do you all have to suspect that he would do well for us? Try and imagine him in either of our two systems, where does he fit in, especially in the 4-4-2? Can he do the job defensively in the 4-5-1? This guy is a fantastic player, but not for us IMO
The main ones with Berbatov is that he doesnt do it in the big games and he's not a young player. Ozil has proven he can do it in the big matches and he is a young player and will be greeted with a lot more patience if he comes. His versatility also means that if he isnt scoring goals he can still be part of the team on the wing, and still be involved if we change formations unlike Berbatov.
You'd think so, yeah, but then Anderson's getting written off now fro example so I don't see why Ozil'd be any different?
Berbatov's there primarily to create, much like Gourcuff and Ozil would be. Obviously he'll have a bit more onus to score but I still think there'd be complaints about a lack of goals from Ozil if he came.
Might be a bit cynical but that's just the way I see it. I'd love to have Ozil, just in case you've got the wrong impression there.
I cant remember how much he was tracking back when played on the wing a few seasons ago. But only a few players playing in the hole give you any sort of defensive work ethic. The likes of Tevez. Not the likes of Silva and Ozil. This is why they are playing in the hole and not playing in midfield. However its fine if you're playing a diamond, which is the best formation to use with these types of players. Then there are 3 players covering the defensive positions and this player can concentrate on linking midfield and attack.
We arent going to play a diamond so I can see why you might want someone who is going to put his foot in a little bit. But a player of this type, no matter who it is, isnt likely to want to do it.
The last thing we need right now is a number 9. During last season thats exactly what Rooney became.
There's not much difference in a 4-4-2 and a 4-4-1-1
In a 4-4-2 one of the strikers will drop deep to link play anyway and it'll become a 4-4-1-1. So all the advanced playmaker needs to do to make it up is get into the box and try and get on the end of a few chances. And Ozil does have the ability to do that.
Substitute in Valencia and Nani, who do tack back very well, and Carrick and Fletcher, who replicate almost all of what they do in a defensive sense at the very least, and I don't see why you're worried?
Seems a perfect fit there.
Maybe because Ozil has already proven himself?
Last season he was mainly there to score. In his first season he was looking to be more creative. But then he had the change of roles.
It's one thing to have your new £31 million striker end the season with 9 league goals and another thing to have your 22 year old £?? million attacking midfielder end the season with 9 league goals. 9 or 10 league goals would be a decent return for him in his first season and thats simply not the case for a striker in his prime.
Fair point regarding Anderson. Although it's worth noting that Anderson always gets support from the fans at OT, even if on here criticism flows his way. His chant is always heard every home game. Berbatov has lost the OT backing, not just the backing from 'tele fans'.
Personally, I feel Ozil is on a different level entirely to Anderson (even now, let alone when he arrived) and I think his displays for Germany and Bremen alike have shown a maturity that would see him excel at a bigger club.
We've not had too many goals coming from midfield the last two seasons (I view Ronaldo's last season with us as a striker's role) so I don't think the fans would actually expect too much in that area.
Certainly what more and more fans are crying out for is a creative force through the middle, and Ozil would surely deliver there.
I find you only watched and rated him in the WC ?
Hilarious post mate, i mean a guy that is just a good throughball passer.. PFFT... that's only one of his strengths...
He is not over priced... his contract ends in a year, he is not over valued as he is one of Bundesliga's best youngsters and if Milner is worth 30m Ozil for 25m is a steal.
You see, that's how Germany played it, not us. Think of who else we have had occupy that attacking midfielder position recently in a 4-5-1, which of them has been a player bad at tracking back? Scholes? Anderson? Giggs? Park?
When you play someone like Ozil there instead, who will not track back often, then what is the difference between that system and a 4-4-2 defensively?
Nothing is the answer. And yet, we play a 4-5-1 for defensive stability and ball control in the midfield, Ozil does neither. He is not the type of player who gets on the ball all the time, nor is one who tracks back well. He is a great player that doesn't fit the puzzle
If excelling for Germany in a World Cup constitutes proving yourself - presumably to be good enough for United? - then we should sign Podolski up too.
If we did sign him up there would be no doubts that he isnt a talented enough player as he's already proven himself to be on his day. Whereas for a lot of people, Anderson hasnt yet. And only by showing that on some kind of stage will convince them otherwise.
Ozil had also proven himself in the bundasliga in the role he plays. Whereas Anderson proved himself in portugal and european competition in a role he never plays for us. And has done very little to prove himself in central midfield so far.
I don't think we would've bought Berbatov if we were looking for a player who tracks back or wants to get on the ball all the time, I think we were just looking for someone who could drift into space and provide that key pass time and again.
In the toughest games when we need more ball control we could move Ozil out to the wing if need be, but as the main formation I can't see why we couldn't just go 4-2-3-1. It's a slight formation/tactics change but we've done that before with plenty of signings.
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