Mesut Özil

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Based on what Ruud and Saha did at the tail end of 2004 once united, Rooney wasn't a necessity. He later turned out to be once both players were crocked in 2004/05 season. Rooney was a long term signing as he was considering the best English player in over a decade. And he was signed only after Newcastle made a lucrative bid.

He wasn't but he was however better than every striker we had but Ruud. Like Cheif was saying. Either way Bayern don't think like United and with Kroos likely to be high in their thoughts for now Ozil is not of interest.
 
happened to stumble across this video in one of the blogs that has these latest quote about Ozil..

 
That would be a honorable thing to do but seeing as most footballers are more interested in their own good than club's good we don't see it happening very often. Better cash in on signing on fee, which is usually around £6m for top players when they move on free, based purely on Football Manager obviously, than basically hand that money to your club.

Looks like I wasn't so wrong
 
Yeah, that was before his latest setback. I've started to lose faith in Hargreaves ever being a regular member of the squad to be honest. Sad how his time with us has gone.

Took you long enough. Hopefully now we'll start to see less of the formations with Hargreaves in them, because it was never going to happen. He has a few matches left in him but not enough to be a first choice.
 
In sum:

Werder want Ozil to extend his contract.

Ozil wants to see out the current contract, but not extend.

Werder will therefore be forced to sell him or lose the transfer fee.

United is looking for an attacking midfielder.

Which other clubs have the funds and the place for a player like Ozil?

Not Inter (Sneijder), Not Barca (Xavi/Iniesta), Not Madrid (Kaka et. al.), Not Chelsea (Lampard), Not Liverpool (no funds, Gerrard)

City? Arsenal? AC Milan?

It doesn't seem like Bayern's style to pay big money for this player especially when their midfield is already well-sorted.
 
That's because he was injured. When he's fit, he's a brilliant and immense player. Shame we were unlucky with his health situation. Sh*t happens.

Not for England. I didnt watch him in the bundasliga so I dont know about that. And if he's been injured all the time at United fair enough. But he played a lot for England and was never an immense player. A very good game and a half doesnt change that. He was utter wank for us in central midfield, good on the right and pretty good at right back. A very unimportant player for us.
 
In sum:

Werder want Ozil to extend his contract.

Ozil wants to see out the current contract, but not extend.

Werder will therefore be forced to sell him or lose the transfer fee.

United is looking for an attacking midfielder.

Which other clubs have the funds and the place for a player like Ozil?

Not Inter (Sneijder), Not Barca (Xavi/Iniesta), Not Madrid (Kaka et. al.), Not Chelsea (Lampard), Not Liverpool (no funds, Gerrard)

City? Arsenal? AC Milan?

It doesn't seem like Bayern's style to pay big money for this player especially when their midfield is already well-sorted.

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In sum:

Werder want Ozil to extend his contract.

Ozil wants to see out the current contract, but not extend.

Werder will therefore be forced to sell him or lose the transfer fee.

United is looking for an attacking midfielder.

Which other clubs have the funds and the place for a player like Ozil?

Not Inter (Sneijder), Not Barca (Xavi/Iniesta), Not Madrid (Kaka et. al.), Not Chelsea (Lampard), Not Liverpool (no funds, Gerrard)

City? Arsenal? AC Milan?

It doesn't seem like Bayern's style to pay big money for this player especially when their midfield is already well-sorted.

Good logic, but any evidence?
 
In sum:

Werder want Ozil to extend his contract.

Ozil wants to see out the current contract, but not extend.

Werder will therefore be forced to sell him or lose the transfer fee.

United is looking for an attacking midfielder.

Which other clubs have the funds and the place for a player like Ozil?

Not Inter (Sneijder), Not Barca (Xavi/Iniesta), Not Madrid (Kaka et. al.), Not Chelsea (Lampard), Not Liverpool (no funds, Gerrard)

City? Arsenal? AC Milan?

It doesn't seem like Bayern's style to pay big money for this player especially when their midfield is already well-sorted.

Heard from a few sources that munich would like to have berba, so maybe sell him to them and attach a NO OZIL condition etc :D
 
Not for England. I didnt watch him in the bundasliga so I dont know about that. And if he's been injured all the time at United fair enough. But he played a lot for England and was never an immense player. A very good game and a half doesnt change that. He was utter wank for us in central midfield, good on the right and pretty good at right back. A very unimportant player for us.


SAF chasing after him, SAF including him in the CL squad last season and then waiting till the end to finally drop him for the 2nd phase makes me think that he figures as a very important player in SAFs plans.

He was good enough to be considered after playing 30 seconds on his reputation for England squad. Surely he can't be as wank as you think he is.
 
Fergie maybe has his mind already made up that one of Obertan or Gibson will be ready for the attacking central midfield role this year!!
 
Not for England. I didnt watch him in the bundasliga so I dont know about that. And if he's been injured all the time at United fair enough. But he played a lot for England and was never an immense player. A very good game and a half doesnt change that. He was utter wank for us in central midfield, good on the right and pretty good at right back. A very unimportant player for us.

For Bayern, he was a very good player and played a huge role in their squad. To be honest, I thought and still think that he was/is a perfect player for United. Obviously, with his injury history, it was a bit of a risk. In some cases, it pays off, just like it did with Robben and Bayern. In other cases, it doesn't pay off, we were simply very unlucky. That's football, it happens.
 
It would be nice though.

Chances are if Balotelli comes, Rooney would not be the center of attack anymore and thus would suffer in terms of performance level. Balotelli will be a very good target man but that would mean Rooney will revert back to his old ways of dropping deep and drifting left.
 
SAF chasing after him, SAF including him in the CL squad last season and then waiting till the end to finally drop him for the 2nd phase makes me think that he figures as a very important player in SAFs plans.

He was good enough to be considered after playing 30 seconds on his reputation for England squad. Surely he can't be as wank as you think he is.

So how did England do?
 
To be honest whenever I've seen him he's not lived up to his general billing. Seems to not have a football brain at all. A bit like Micah Richards. But I haven't seen too much of him.
 
To be honest whenever I've seen him he's not lived up to his general billing. Seems to not have a football brain at all. A bit like Micah Richards. But I haven't seen too much of him.

Err, think you might be in the wrong thread here.
 

Well I am just going by what Fergie said a few months ago. Straight from the horses mouth. But you obviously had too may cocks up your arse and in your mouth at the time to have taken notice when he said this.....
Sir Alex Ferguson: Darron Gibson's Goals Make Him 'The New Paul Scholes' At Manchester United - Goal.com

What a proper tit you look like now!!!!!!

Sir Alex Ferguson: Darron Gibson's Goals Make Him 'The New Paul Scholes' At Manchester United
Irish international can be '12-14' goals a season man...

By Zack Wilson
Apr 14, 2010
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson believes that Darron Gibson can develop into the kind of goalscoring midfielder which Paul Scholes has been at Old Trafford over recent years.

Ferguson believes that the Red Devils have lacked a natural goalscorer in midfield when Scholes has not been fit, and he is optimistic that Gibson, who netted his sixth goal of the season last week against Bayern Munich in the Champions League, can develop into that kind of player.

"You saw Gibson's performance against Bayern Munich," the Scot told reporters.

"That was his sixth goal of the season [in all competitions] and you cannot dismiss that.

"It is the kind of contribution we used to get from Paul Scholes. He used to get me 12 to 14 goals from midfield all the time and we haven't had a player like that in a while."

Ferguson also feels that Gibson may well have helped United's campaign significantly if he had played more regularly throughout the season.

"Who is to say if Gibson had been playing all the time where he would be in terms of goals?" Ferguson mused.

"But he is getting recognition now and even the players are commenting on how much he has improved."
 

Also....So that you look like an even bigger tit


Premier League Football Here: Bryan Robson backs Gabriel Obertan to perform for Manchester United in the future
Bryan Robson backs Gabriel Obertan to perform for Manchester United in the future
Legendary Manchester United midfielder Bryan Robson has spoken about Manchester United's younger squad players, saying “The player I really think will come through is Gabriel Obertan. He’s been used mainly wide, but I think his best position might be through the middle".

Obertan showed glimpses of his ability last season, but his crossing has not been of the quality of a top winger, despite his ability to dribble and get into useful positions, so Robson's assertion may be correct.
 
Also....So that you look like an even bigger tit


Premier League Football Here: Bryan Robson backs Gabriel Obertan to perform for Manchester United in the future
Bryan Robson backs Gabriel Obertan to perform for Manchester United in the future
Legendary Manchester United midfielder Bryan Robson has spoken about Manchester United's younger squad players, saying “The player I really think will come through is Gabriel Obertan. He’s been used mainly wide, but I think his best position might be through the middle".

Obertan showed glimpses of his ability last season, but his crossing has not been of the quality of a top winger, despite his ability to dribble and get into useful positions, so Robson's assertion may be correct.

Has Fergie ever showed an inclination to play him through the middle? If he were to try Obertan in a central attacking role, he obviously wouldn't be ready this year. You know, since he hasn't exactly got experience in the position. So you sound like a bit of a tit yourself mate.

As for Gibson... he's got the goals of Scholes, but does he (or will he?) have the overall quality? I tend to doubt that. I still think he can be a pretty good player for us though.
 
Has Fergie ever showed an inclination to play him through the middle? If he were to try Obertan in a central attacking role, he obviously wouldn't be ready this year. You know, since he hasn't exactly got experience in the position. So you sound like a bit of a tit yourself mate.

Just on the subject of Obertan he has experiance playing there at French youth level and I'm told on rare occasions with Bordeaux, he was also played there for quite a few games in our reserves, so I don't think he would need as much adjustment as you think, all he would really need is to be told that is where we see him and to be given license to roam in that position.

It does seem to be in the opinion of many his natural position despite spending alot more time playing outside forward/winger.
 
Just on the subject of Obertan he has experiance playing there at French youth level and I'm told on rare occasions with Bordeaux, he was also played there for quite a few games in our reserves, so I don't think he would need as much adjustment as you think, all he would really need is to be told that is where we see him and to be given license to roam in that position.

It does seem to be in the opinion of many his natural position despite spending alot more time playing outside forward/winger.

I'd still stick by my statement and say he'd need a lot of adjustment if he hasn't played it steadily in a long time. This is one of the most competitive leagues in the world and quite frankly, his passing ability and general vision on the ball is pretty poor from what I've seen of him so far. It'd be like playing a less intelligent Nani from a year or two ago in the middle of the park and expecting him to be a starter like Ringo is suggesting. That'd be a mess.
 
Also....So that you look like an even bigger tit


Premier League Football Here: Bryan Robson backs Gabriel Obertan to perform for Manchester United in the future
Bryan Robson backs Gabriel Obertan to perform for Manchester United in the future
Legendary Manchester United midfielder Bryan Robson has spoken about Manchester United's younger squad players, saying “The player I really think will come through is Gabriel Obertan. He’s been used mainly wide, but I think his best position might be through the middle".

Obertan showed glimpses of his ability last season, but his crossing has not been of the quality of a top winger, despite his ability to dribble and get into useful positions, so Robson's assertion may be correct.
I like Obertan. He just needs to toughen up a bit and get rid of the nerves. He seems to have a good pass on him, great skill, good vision and a great burst of speed. But he doesn't apply it very well. Once he toughens up a little and improves his decision making he'll be a very good player.
 
I like Obertan. He just needs to toughen up a bit and get rid of the nerves. He seems to have a good pass on him, great skill, good vision and a great burst of speed. But he doesn't apply it very well. Once he toughens up a little and improves his decision making he'll be a very good player.

He can get past his man with ease. This is something I like! His passing however was a little ropey yesterday. Infact bar Scholes and Berbatov, I thought Diouf played the best past passes around the box.
 
He can get past his man with ease. This is something I like! His passing however was a little ropey yesterday. Infact bar Scholes and Berbatov, I thought Diouf played the best past passes around the box.
I can see the passing ability though. Just want to him get in defenders faces a little more. Seems a fragile chap.
 
I'd still stick by my statement and say he'd need a lot of adjustment if he hasn't played it steadily in a long time. This is one of the most competitive leagues in the world and quite frankly, his passing ability and general vision on the ball is pretty poor from what I've seen of him so far. It'd be like playing a less intelligent Nani from a year or two ago in the middle of the park and expecting him to be a starter like Ringo is suggesting. That'd be a mess.

His passing ability and vision is actually very good although most it wasn't in evidence yesterday due to lack of sharpness. He also has a much better footballing brain than Nani having been Schooled at Claire Fontaine as a youngster and it shows. I have said previously that the only thing he lacks is confidence and sharpness which he will pick up the more he plays.

Its no coinsidence that it was his run through the middle that helped to create our first goal and thats the kind of influence I would expect to see more of in a AM free role much like Ozil's during the WC. I don't think we have yet seen the best of him as he had a very injury hit start to his career here last season and at this point is only getting back to full fitness but I am pretty sure that given the right chances this season he will impress in the same role that Ozil played this summer.
 
Werder Bremen general manager Klaus Allofs accepts that Mesut Ozil is likely to be hot property this summer.

The 21-year-old playmaker shone for Germany at this summer's World Cup, bringing him to the attention of a global audience.

A collection of assured and mature performances earned him a host of new admirers, with some of Europe's top clubs believed to be among those to have sat up and taken notice.

The likes of Real Madrid and Manchester United are reported to be weighing up approaches to Bremen for their prized asset, aware that Ozil has the potential to be a world-class performer for years to come.

Bremen are, understandably, reluctant to do business, but appreciate that their hand may be forced.
Policy

Ozil has just one year left to run on his current contract at the Weserstadion and Allofs admits he may be forced to sell now rather than risk losing a top talent for nothing next summer.

"I can already think that we will have offers in the next few weeks or just before the transfer deadline from a number of clubs," he said.

"If something concrete comes, we have a duty to talk to Mesut and his advisors and to see what they want. We will not change our policy. We cannot afford it."

Bremen have put fresh terms to Ozil but are making little headway in their efforts to tie him down on a long-term deal.

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