Is this it, is Ozil this summer's Berbatov/Benzema?
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I'll be dissappointed if we don't at least make an offer for him. But it's crazy to apply logic to the transfer dealings of Barca and Real, especially Real. If there's a chance to get a new superstar of the game then they will go for it, no matter the cash, no matter the current squad situation.
Has there ever been method to Real's madness? They'll buy as many "stars" as possible.
Well we "signed" Ljajic who plays the same positions. That was in the same window as these comments from Ozil, right? And Berbatov had his second chance
No, he's this decades Zidane or Ronaldinho. Two transfers that we just missed out on. I don't wanna see it happen again.
Robinho? I hope you mean Ronaldinho.
Seriously? Regarding Zidane I've only heard that Utd weren't convinced about Zidane when he was still at Bordeaux. Rumour has it that a certain Martin Ferguson was the designated scout...
Not with Jose in charge. He will ony go for what he needs. As for Barca..Rosell wants mainly Spaniards.
I did, it's been a long day. Corrected.
I meant Ronaldinho. Regarding Zidane, though, I thought it was actually Cantona who persuaded SAF not to sign him, or something along those lines?
Ok, fair enough. Regarding Zidane who really knows? It's all hearsay until SAF sheds the light. I've heard that Zidane wasn't deemed good enough. Juve was later on accused of using performance enhancing drugs, make of it what you want.
If I remember well that player was Deshamps and not Zidane. Zidane was suggested by Cantona but SAF opted not to sign him up because he couldn't play on the flanks.
Cantona hates Deschamps so that makes sense.
I like this team ALOT.
If it performs according to capability, it will win the league and with style and panache.
That'd be fecking immense.
Some of the Ronaldo money would be more than well invested on this guy.
Brilliant. I don't know if it worked in the first year because teams like that need time to adapt but it would sort us out in the long run. I do not believe that we will sign Özil and yet I can't say goodbye to that thought.
Imaginary team.
Not because we havent signed Ozil, but Because Hargreaves is playing. Total myth, no chance. Besides it'd be miles better with Scholes in the team.
Ozil is fantastic but he's not the one playing more passes than any player on the other team. Thats Sweinsteiger - or for us, Paul Scholes.
Yeah, the third man needs to be a great tempo dictator in the midfield, but still Ozil would be the first piece of the puzzle, we can get Banega next summer.
Sorry if I'm being a bit pedantic, mate. But its RaFAel
He is not a mutant turtle. Atleast it hasn't been proven yet.
feck it, lets have both Ozil and Sweinsteiger then.
To even compare Schweinsteiger to Paul Scholes is muppetry at its worst. Schweinsteiger has played in his entire career one decent season at Bayern, whilst Scholes is one of the finest midfielders football has ever produced.
No the silly part is you are ignoring that scholes is not a every game player. You have something against schweiny fair enough but, the comment was hardly a muppet comment. In the form schweinsteiger has been he certainly can fill the role being discussed.
Nothing to do with comparing the two over their careers.
He plays exactly like Scholes and would love for him to sign for us.. Really just sits and dectacts the play!! Whoever decided for him to play in that postion is a genuiness.
Scholes is the ideal option as the 2nd of the 2 holding players in that formation. The problem is that he is a liability defensivley. Hopefully Anderson will eventually mature and replace him.
Frankly the thought of Anderson Fletcher and ozil in midfield is mouth watering.
A great mix of pace, power and creativity.
Frankly the thought of Anderson Fletcher and ozil in midfield is mouth watering.
A great mix of pace, power and creativity.
If we can get Anderson to replace the 'Scholes of now' that would be great think he needs 2 more seasons of maturing though
They do the same job on the pitch. To ignore that is muppetry beyond its worst. Scholes plays more passes than anyone else on the pitch. Schweinsteiger does the exact same thing. He did it in his champions league matches, he's done it in the world cup with the most passes so far. Thats what I said and its absolutely, perfectly, correct - no matter your agenda against the German, whether he ran over your cat or otherwise.
Scwheinstgatstaseeir can't even get in the same sentence with the legend that is Scholes
Edit:Oh.....dammit
Edit:Oh.....dammit
Why would I have an agenda against him? I just don't think he's already comparable to Paul Scholes.
You dislike him based on previous seasons. You cannot put that aside and appreciate that right now, based on champions league and world cup form, he's a fantastic player.
i agree tha he's a fantastic player, and ive been a big big fan since his breakthrough, but he's no scholes...same roles yes, would love him at United, but he's no scholes!
Who said he is Paul Scholes? I guess Mainoldo almost sort of says that, but doesnt, yet that has nothing to do with the conversation between Lailani and myself.
For some reason Lailani's reply came as a response to me mentioning Scholes.
I said that the player who passes the ball more than any other player on the pitch is Sweinsteiger, and for United it would be Scholes.
They both do that job. Thats it.
I said this because someone had posted up a team without a central midfielder to play the playmaking role with Fletcher and Hargreaves in central midfield, chosen instead of Scholes.
Well Ozil has been fantastic in the world cup but if Germany's midfield was Khedeira and Frings, Germany would have had much less of the ball and Ozil would have had much less oppertunities to drift into spaces to hurt teams and cut them open because he'd be dropping really deep, behind the ball, to make sure his team has lots of the ball and is able to pass it around decently. A player like Sweinsteiger for Germany, or if Ozil was playing for United, Paul Scholes would do that job in midfield and allow Ozil to float around, exploit space, pick the ball up in dangerous areas and slot people through from there.
So to conclude : I most certainly didnt say Sweinsteiger is Paul Scholes.
Fair enough. I still don't think that Schweinsteiger is that influential for Özil's game. After all, Schweinsteiger doesn't play for Bremen, yet Özil also delivers the goods when playing for his club.
I hope the little Alien will have his shooting boots on as I'll be backing Germany to knock the argies out.I'm not a fan of either but last time I counted there were a lot more players I hate for Argentina.Plus Germany has been playing the best football
Yep. He just needs someone else doing that job so that he can play as he has for Germany, behind the 1 striker. Else he'd need to drop deeper and be less effective in the final third.
At Bremen he plays behind 2 strikers and they use a diamond to have a bit more control in midfield. We could do the same of course, and maybe then we wouldnt need Scholes in the team... However, our wingplay would go to hell. And our play in wide areas is by far our strength right now.
I hope they knock Argentina out too. For me I enjoy watching Germany (partly because of the freshness of their team) and Spain (because I never tire of watching Xavi and Villa play their football) the most so I hope one of them win.
I could see United trying to get Ozil, being an attacking midfielder, but not now. His success in the WC will mean that his price is up and we would no longer see "value" in him.
I don't understand how everyone has it set in their mind that Chelsea have loads to spend? When did that happen? Last I checked they have been making cheap/value signings ever since Roman Abramovich told Chelsea that they should be self sufficient.. They signed Zirkhov for around the same amount of money we signed Valencia for.. They are getting rid of Cole, Ballack, Baletti, Deco etc to make space for whom? Benayoun? Are you fecking kidding me? Chelsea are as Financially tight as we are..
P.S I think we can easily afford Ozil and IF SAF is interested we should be the ones snapping him up unless Barca or Madrid have something to say about it.. And since we have more or less come to the conclusion that almost all of the other clubs can either not accommodate or afford him I would be very bullish on this transfer going through.. Once again that is if SAF is interested..
Also I don't know why but there is still something very iffy about Ozil.. I can't quite put my finger on it though..
P.S I think we can easily afford Ozil and IF SAF is interested we should be the ones snapping him up unless Barca or Madrid have something to say about it.. And since we have more or less come to the conclusion that almost all of the other clubs can either not accommodate or afford him I would be very bullish on this transfer going through.. Once again that is if SAF is interested..
Also I don't know why but there is still something very iffy about Ozil.. I can't quite put my finger on it though..
True, but how much will Werder realistically want for him considering he's out of contract next season? As the other big teams, with the exception of possibly Chelsea, are interested in other players, if we really want to sign him we should be speaking to Werder right now to agree a deal. I reckon £25 million is the most Werder can realistically expect any team to pay for him (unless man city get involved)
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