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Do you think such logic will apply to Barca and Real? If the player is as good as we all can see, then they will want him.

Won't they have the squad cap like all teams in the CL?

You can't just horde players anymore.
 
I can accept that he sprays around his passes well but Veron bossing the midfield ? We must not have the same criteria on that subject.Defensively he brings almost nothing

He is not expected to bring anything defensively.. That is why they are playing 4 CB's and Mascherano so that the rest can create havoc in the opponents half.. Obviously being a CM he is expected to put his foot in but I honestly do not see what you are on about him bringing nothing to the Argentinian side.. Its like saying Carrick does nothing for united..

Purchasing a player like Diouf and purchasing a player like Ozil is a bit like going shopping for a few bits and bobs Vs doing your months shopping in one go.

We bought Rooney 'cause Newcastle's bid for him was accepted..

I just don't think there is much point in desperately hoping for new faces. It only lines a fan up for a disappointment. Creating threads about Ozil coming to United is madness. The lad will play another season at his current club and God knows where he will go after that but it won't be for cheap

As it stands (If he doesn't sign a new contract) that is exactly what will happen.. He has a year left on his contract and is free to discuss terms with any non-German club from 1st January onwards.. Although since you speak of dreamland stuff it would be ideal if he stayed on at Bremen for another year and signs on with us on January 1, 2011.

I would imagine the skill in getting a player like Ozil at the right price would have been making a move for him January 2010 and arranging some sort of post World Cup contract that ties him to United from August 2010 onwards

Dreamland stuff though. Scouts are paid for their foresight, but they're also only human

I would assume that Werder were the ones not likely to want to discuss terms before the World Cup as they knew it would increase his value even though another 6 months has passed on his contract..
 
I can see Bayern going for him and getting him.

At only 21, he may not want to leave Germany.

Why would they want to spend money on him when they have Muller playing his position? And even if they decided to push Muller wide (lets remember they have Robben on the right where he plays for Germany, and Ribery on the left) they have Toni Kroos who is another young attacking midfield playmaker in the German squad who some rate just as highly as Ozil.

I think this is one star player in the Bundasliga that Bayern will have no particular interest in.
 
Won't they have the squad cap like all teams in the CL?

You can't just horde players anymore.

They're not going to walk away from signing a player who has made such a huge impact at the WC because of a squad cap. For a player this special you just decide on which inferior player will be dropped to make way.
 
They havent bought him. And the story hasnt even made its way onto the Valencia site I post on. So I wouldnt even take the rumours that Barcelona are trying to buy him as fact. Just a rumour thats yet to be confirmed as concrete.

Fair enough. They are interested in Fabregas and I suspect he will sign. If they also sign Ozil.

I could see

Ozil Villa Messi
Iniesta Busquets Xavi

with Fabregas Ibra etc on the bench

Mouthwatering
 
Fair enough. They are interested in Fabregas and I suspect he will sign. If they also sign Ozil.

I could see

Ozil Villa Messi
Iniesta Busquets Xavi

with Fabregas Ibra etc on the bench

Mouthwatering

I could even see

Ozil ----Villa ---Messi
Iniesta Fabregas Xavi

On many occasions.

---------Villa
Ozil---------------Messi

Iniesta - Fabregas - Xavi

They'd pass circles around you, and you'd only get the ball back to kick off after they've scored.
 
I could even see

Ozil ----Villa ---Messi
Iniesta Fabregas Xavi

On many occasions.

---------Villa
Ozil---------------Messi

Iniesta - Fabregas - Xavi

They'd pass circles around you, and you'd only get the ball back to kick off after they've scored.

None of them over 6ft a big feck you to England coaches!

World Cup 2010: Fabio Capello avoids blame for England talent crisis | Paul Hayward | Football | The Guardian

Trevor Brooking

"One good thing with Spain winning the Euros in 2008 [is] that size isn't everything. When I came into the job six years ago, a lot of clubs were saying, 'If you are not 6ft-plus, unlucky,' and we were getting rid of really talented youngsters because they were too small. Then Spain had a midfield [of] Xavi, [Andrés] Iniesta, [David] Silva, [Cesc] Fábregas, [David] Villa up front – suddenly everyone thought if you keep the ball it's good. People started looking for the more technical players."
 
Ozil is in another league to Diego, I think he'd be successful pretty much any club he goes to.

I am not so sure about this, Diego used to be very good with Bremen.

Probably becasue Ozil was Diegos replacement at Werder.

Diego was better at Werder than Ozil has been, so far.

Confirms my point above, Diego was extremely good before his move to Juventus. The right move for him may reignite his career.
 
Barca and Real literally own that shit league that is La Liga.


I always find it hilarious to hear how the Spanish press think the Premiership is the no. 2 league when outside of their top two clubs, the teams are disgracefully disadvantaged financially due too solo TV deals
 
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Nothing confirmed yet, just papers writing. A lot of stories on Di Maria to Madrid also.

Someone told me yesterday that Mata is also going to Barca from Valencia, not just Villa. Good signing if true.

That's confirmed. £20 mil, 6 year deal.
 
So this means that the Mata deal was a fake then ?

Just one of the thousands of rumours out there. Its one that keeps coming back though, like the David Villa one. So we'll see. But most likely if the Silva to City deal goes through, they wont sell Mata too. Likewise if the Mata deal is confirmed they are unlikely to part with Silva too.
 
He is not expected to bring anything defensively.. That is why they are playing 4 CB's and Mascherano so that the rest can create havoc in the opponents half.. Obviously being a CM he is expected to put his foot in but I honestly do not see what you are on about him bringing nothing to the Argentinian side.. Its like saying Carrick does nothing for united..

Whether you play Maxi or Veron there is no change, Pastore is younger,more athletic, more energetic and better dribbling version of the current Veron.He brings nothing in comparison to what Pastore could.That was the original idea if you only tried to keep up with the thread
 
Veron brings positional awareness to the role and experience. He seems to have misplaced his magical passing boots, I havent seen a great pass from him for so many years. But he does bring things to the team that Pastore does not. Messi's role is the one made for Pastore, but good luck with that.

But obviously Banega would have been better than either in a central midfield role.
 
Barca and Real literally own that shit league that is La Liga.


I always find it hilarious to hear how the Spanish press think the Premiership is the no. 2 league when outside of their top two clubs, the teams are disgracefully disadvantaged financially due too solo TV deals

But to be fair those two teams are running away with all the stars in the game ATM. Especially when it comes to attacking players. Just two years back it was stacked in the premier leagues favor but now they they're just stacking up all the most gifted players in the world. The premier league now has just three absolutely top attackers in Rooney, Drogba and Torres. Fabregas will probably leave Arsenal soon.
 
Why would they want to spend money on him when they have Muller playing his position? And even if they decided to push Muller wide (lets remember they have Robben on the right where he plays for Germany, and Ribery on the left) they have Toni Kroos who is another young attacking midfield playmaker in the German squad who some rate just as highly as Ozil.

I think this is one star player in the Bundasliga that Bayern will have no particular interest in.

There is no star player (especially German) who Munich don't have an interest in. I fully expect to snap up both Ozil and Neuer by next season at most.
Surprised they don't try for Dzeko either.
 
There is no star player (especially German) who Munich don't have an interest in. I fully expect to snap up both Ozil and Neuer by next season at most.
Surprised they don't try for Dzeko either.
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Really want us to get Oezil. He really looks like he has that something special we need.

How does he handle the physical game in Germany?
 
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Really want us to get Oezil. He really looks like he has that something special we need.

How does he handle the physical game in Germany?

Not really watched too much ofhim in the bundesliga actuall. They mainly show Munich games.

However I have seen him in Uefa Cup games and despite always being hyped up so much he never really impressed:confused:

Obviously he's had a brilliant world cup though
 
Barcelona definitely trying to hog all the talent.

Getting ridiculous really isnt it, where the hell are they going to play them all? most would say they dont really need Fabregas as it is never mind Ozil on top of that, wheres Iniesta going to play? are they going to play with no natural holding player to accomodate all these playmakers and if so wheres the balance? Pedro and Busquets have had great seasons for them but their just going to be shunted aside for bigger names who arnt really needed?

Very odd, their turning into Real Madrid more and more, i thought Barcelona had a bit more about them.
 
If Barca sign Fabregas, they won't be signing Ozil.

Ozil should be Manchester United's TOP priority. And if it means competing in the market that we've ourselves created (by accepting 80m for one player) then so be it.
 
Whether you play Maxi or Veron there is no change, Pastore is younger,more athletic, more energetic and better dribbling version of the current Veron.He brings nothing in comparison to what Pastore could.That was the original idea if you only tried to keep up with the thread

Firstly just because you don't see me post in the thread often doesn't mean I don't read the thread.. Stop making assumptions.. Secondly Although I do agree Pastore would most probably give more to the team than Maxi and probably even Veron it is still no excuse for you to say that Veron does nothing for the team.. Even if you just meant to compare him to Pastore that still doesn't stand true.. Because he clearly is a very important part of the Argentine side.. I agree Maradonna makes many of his decisions based on heart rather than head but having Veron in there is definitely a decision based on the head..
 
If Barca sign Fabregas, they won't be signing Ozil.

Ozil should be Manchester United's TOP priority. And if it means competing in the market that we've ourselves created (by accepting 80m for one player) then so be it.

I approve this. It makes sense.
 
Nani at the end of the season and Valencia for most of the season were our best performers - no reason to think why that is going to change this coming season.

On the other hand, our weakness in big games was our control in the middle of the park. The lack of ability to retain possession under pressure and for the most part compete against stronger / more technical opposing midfields. I would put signing a player like Bastian Schweinsteiger as a higher priority than Ozil at this point.

His play in the CL, play for Germany letting the attackers do their business by winning possession or retaining it and yet able to also contribute in the attacking 3rd as well is precisely what we missed last season.

Though would mean getting rid of maybe one central mid as with Scholes/Carrick/Gibson/Fletcher/Hargreaves/Giggs - we seemingly are overflowing.
 
Nani at the end of the season and Valencia for most of the season were our best performers - no reason to think why that is going to change this coming season.

On the other hand, our weakness in big games was our control in the middle of the park. The lack of ability to retain possession under pressure and for the most part compete against stronger / more technical opposing midfields. I would put signing a player like Bastian Schweinsteiger as a higher priority than Ozil at this point.

His play in the CL, play for Germany letting the attackers do their business by winning possession or retaining it and yet able to also contribute in the attacking 3rd as well is precisely what we missed last season.

Though would mean getting rid of maybe one central mid as with Scholes/Carrick/Gibson/Fletcher/Hargreaves/Giggs - we seemingly are overflowing.

Nah, I think we need a player like Ozil far more than Schweinstiger. Highest priority should be to get someone to play behind Rooney in a 4-5-1.
 
Nah, I think we need a player like Ozil far more than Schweinstiger. Highest priority should be to get someone to play behind Rooney in a 4-5-1.

Schweisntiger could do both, help control the midfield and support the front man. But never in a million years are Bayern going to sell us a very good, German player, for a somewhat reasonable fee. We'd have to pay an astronomical amount to buy him at a time they dont want to let him go. So its not even worth considering, just like its not worth considering an offer for Xavi.
 
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