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Mad said:
He came on at 38 minutes and Fergie left at 45. As for how did he perform? Well, there was no stream of the game but from what I could've interpreted from the Werder.de text commentary, he made a couple of good moves but was largely invisible.
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cheers. I guess Sir Alex was turned off by what he saw :angel:
 
Escobar said:
The grass is always greener...
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which youngster in our side recently stared in the world cup? Which midfielder was one of the best creative talents on show in his countries top division for the last two seasons?

We have some very promising youngsters, but none are at the level of Ozil. Morrion might be (in terms of an AM) but he is a good few years off, same with Pogba as a CM. Petrucci could be a freaking class act but seems to be permanently injured.
 
Mitch Conor said:
which youngster in our side recently stared in the world cup? Which midfielder was one of the best creative talents on show in his countries top division for the last two seasons?

We have some very promising youngsters, but none are at the level of Ozil. Morrion might be (in terms of an AM) but he is a good few years off, same with Pogba as a CM. Petrucci could be a freaking class act but seems to be permanently injured.
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Yeah but if we believe everything about the world cup: Rooneys shite, Messi can't score a goal, Ronaldo can only score a lucky goal. Germanys a good league. I'm sure he'd do well in England but sometimes you have to recognize the potential and I don't think Sir Alex would turn Ozil down for 8-12m if he didn't think we don't have better in the squad or the youth. So the proof of anythings in this transfer window and in Jan when he can talk to other clubs.

If we did buy, am I right in thinknig we'd probably have to sell?
 
Striker10 said:
Yeah but if we believe everything about the world cup: Rooneys shite, Messi can't score a goal, Ronaldo can only score a lucky goal. Germanys a good league. I'm sure he'd do well in England but sometimes you have to recognize the potential and I don't think Sir Alex would turn Ozil down for 8-12m if he didn't think we don't have better in the squad or the youth
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The same Fergie who thought Kleberson and Djemba Djemba would rip the premiership up, that Smith would make a good replacement for Roy Keane in cetral midfield, that Liam Miller would be any cop, that Bellion would be the next Henry.

The guy is not infallible.
 
Mitch Conor said:
conversely though, we sold players (kanchelskis, Hughes and Ince) to make way for young players in Beckham, Scholes and Butt. Turned out they were ready right away and we won the league, but I reckon Fergie would have accepted a poorer return in the league in return for those players developing as he thought they would.

We sold first team players and didn't bring any in cause Fergie had faith the youth players would be good enough if given the chance - if we had sold Hughes and signed a striker, or Kanchelskis and signed a right winger, I'm fairly certain the progress and development of Scholes and Beckham would have been hindered.
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I see what you are saying, essentially don't buy and plug in James, Cleverly etc and take a possible drought in hopes they will develop?
 
Mitch Conor said:
The same Fergie who thought Kleberson and Djemba Djemba would rip the premiership up, that Smith would make a good replacement for Roy Keane in cetral midfield, that Liam Miller would be any cop, that Bellion would be the next Henry.

The guy is not infallible.
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No, but he gets more right than wrong, so it's worth trusting him. Obviously.
 
Mitch Conor said:
The same Fergie who thought Kleberson and Djemba Djemba would rip the premiership up, that Smith would make a good replacement for Roy Keane in cetral midfield, that Liam Miller would be any cop, that Bellion would be the next Henry.

The guy is not infallible.
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Kleberson wasn't a bad player. He just didn't feature enough. Djemba x2 was good at first and then whoops. Smith? He tried something yeah it didn't work. Liam miller who :p? Bellion? Whoops. But he's rarely wrong with kids and these are kids he sees everyday. That's the only difference but it's a significant one

He was confident in the butts, Giggs, Becks, Scholes etc because he saw them all the time and the quality we sold shortly after winning the league is incredible. I'd have loved to have been here when we sold Kanchelskis, Ince and Hughes because believe me I can only imagine what they'd have been calling Sir Alex
 
I realise their is antipathy towards the MEN here, but this just came up on NewsNow.

Sir Alex Ferguson has been given the green light to make a swoop for top target Mesut Ozil – but must fend off Barcelona in the battle for the German World Cup star.

Werder Bremen have admitted for the first time they are ready to cash in on the 21-year-old (left), who was one of the stars in South Africa.

Ferguson has been weighing up a move since watching the playmaker during the World Cup and made a personal check on him over the weekend as the German side played Fulham in a pre-season friendly.

But he fears Spanish giants Barcelona could hijack his bid, with reports in Spain claiming an £8m fee has been agreed.

And Werder sporting director Klaus Allofs admitted Ozil – who is out of contract at the end of the season – is on his way out of the club.

“It is possible that there is now a bit of movement in the issue,” he said. “But I am not running backwards and
forwards to the fax machine or getting sweaty palms when I check my emails to see if maybe an offer has arrived.”

Barcelona’s interest will be the worst possible news for Ferguson with Ozil already going on record to say it is his dream to play at the Nou Camp.

The Catalans have turned their interest to him after apparently giving up hope of landing Arsenal’s Cesc Fabregas.
With Premier League rivals Chelsea and Arsenal also interested in Ozil, Ferguson will be reluctant to get into a bidding war with funds so tight at Old Trafford.

But he would also hate to miss out on a player who could be available at a cut price of up to £15m because he will become a free agent next summer.

Ozil has also declared his interest in a move to either United or Chelsea but insists he will be happy to see out the remainder of his contract at Werder.

Despite reports of a done deal with Barca, he is adamant that nothing has been decided about his future.

“I know nothing and I have spoken to no-one,” he said.
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Manchester Evening News
 
old story sadly but you know newsnows shite sometimes. I saw a story that was about 3 years later recently
 
i don't believe the 8m figure being cited....werder are looking for much more considering khedira moved for around double that figure..

But they also know that unless city are interested it will be hard for them to get that amount of money
 
Devil may care said:
I see what you are saying, essentially don't buy and plug in James, Cleverly etc and take a possible drought in hopes they will develop?
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i'm saying it is a possibility, not what I particularly want to happen.

I'm simply saying that buying a player because a guy you have at the club is maybe a further season off being first team regular material is not always going to be the way to go.

If James rips the Championship up this season and goes on to have a great preseason (similar to Cleverley) then there is a chance if Scholes were to retire that Fergie would look to him for the 2011/12 season, or as a player for the 2012/13 season, so might not look to sign a player as a direct replacement for Scholes and in effect Matt James.

If you want to bring this line of reasoning back to Ozil, I don't think we have a central attacking midfielder of similar potential in the reserve team squad - or none that I think should make us forget about Ozil when he is seemingly available at such a great price.

I know my stance on youth could be seen as hypocritical (don't but to replace Scholes - give James a chance vs buy Ozil, Cleverley won't be as good) but I would say Ozil is a very special talent imo and one I feel will develop differently to Cleverley so I don't see that as an either/or situation.

My mention of James (and Norwood) was simply in response to who we could look at to replace Scholes the CM (not the AM he used to be). James and Norwood (but particularly James imo) have a lot of potential as CMs, and it is a possibility that we could be looking to them as long term replacements, just as we could be looking at Cleverly as a long term winger to replace Giggs (as a winger, not CM)
 
Mitch Conor said:
i'm saying it is a possibility, not what I particularly want to happen.

I'm simply saying that buying a player because a guy you have at the club is maybe a further season off being first team regular material is not always going to be the way to go.

If James rips the Championship up this season and goes on to have a great preseason (similar to Cleverley) then there is a chance if Scholes were to retire that Fergie would look to him for the 2011/12 season, or as a player for the 2012/13 season, so might not look to sign a player as a direct replacement for Scholes and in effect Matt James.

If you want to bring this line of reasoning back to Ozil, I don't think we have a central attacking midfielder of similar potential in the reserve team squad - or none that I think should make us forget about Ozil when he is seemingly available at such a great price.

I know my stance on youth could be seen as hypocritical (don't but to replace Scholes - give James a chance vs buy Ozil, Cleverley won't be as good) but I would say Ozil is a very special talent imo and one I feel will develop differently to Cleverley so I don't see that as an either/or situation.

My mention of James (and Norwood) was simply in response to who we could look at to replace Scholes the CM (not the AM he used to be). James and Norwood (but particularly James imo) have a lot of potential as CMs, and it is a possibility that we could be looking to them as long term replacements, just as we could be looking at Cleverly as a long term winger to replace Giggs (as a winger, not CM)
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I can see your reasoning, although as you yourself mention, Striker for instance would question why the thinking does not apply to Cleverly/Ozil, however it depends on how we see various players.

I personally think Fergie would only not buy if he were sure the players in the youth set up had it, when he did it before he had a crop that has remained unmatched since, I think he'd have to feel the same about James or indeed Clevery this season before opting out of making a more proven buy.
 
Sometimes in life a bargain comes along and you just cant help but snap it up or sell your house in order to land that bargain - no matter how much "sense" that purchase makes at the time.

I think Ozil for anything under 15M represents great value. I wouldn't necessarily sanction spending 20M+ on buying him as our squad is pretty decent, but for the prices being mentioned I cannot understand why no one has bid for him yet. Arsenal could use him, Chelsea could, Liverpool could, we could. (Madrid and Barca doesn't need him as much) - but he would improve their squads, at the very least.

& before anyone mentions it - I know signing a player isn't as easy as just signing a cheque. I'm just saying...
 
Lailiani said:
According to Honigstein, Özil's camp is no longer interested in a move this season because they think time is too short considering the upcoming CL qualifier game.

Makes sense.
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Basically they re telling Werder to either lower the price or else offer him a big pay rise.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
If we sign Ozil, he plus Cleverely = Giggs + Scholes as AM's. Meaning the dol guard will most likely start to be fazed out steadily as the season goes by.
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I think we could afford letting Cleverley go on loan. With 1 EPL year experience he could be an incredible asset to the team.
 
Breaking News. He's a first team player on Uniteds website.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={FE60904B-C2A8-4E60-9B05-700DBBC29BBC}&section=playerProfile&teamid=&bioid=94383
 
Makes sense to me too.. He posted on his twitter account about the CL game surely he has no intention of leaving..
 
T2000 said:
Breaking News. He's a first team player on Uniteds website.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={FE60904B-C2A8-4E60-9B05-700DBBC29BBC}&section=playerProfile&teamid=&bioid=94383
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I hope one of the mods sees this.
 
Ah, the old United website trick. I think we had Benzema, Messi and Kaka on there too at one point.
 
Marca (I think) went nuts when they saw a Casillas profile on manutd.com. it was a good time.
 
Ekeke said:
But even more value for money.
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Indeed. If he plays against Sampdoria though, I wouldn't expect a summer move, as he would be forfeiting his ability to play any more CL this season. By January, Werder might well be knocked out anyway and would probably be happy to take 5m rather than get nothing for him if he signs on a free.

Werder's problem would be that in January clubs would already be allowed to negotiate a pre-contract directly with the player.

I hope this saga ends before the Sampdoria match, no matter where he ends up.
 
If he stays with Werder then I would say his destination is Spain for a big signing on fee and salary. However if Man City get into the CL they could blow everyone out of the water and put him on a ridiculous sum.

What's best for Ozil would be to stay another year and then cash in assuming he retains his aura and is not injured.
 
The Times was about to get wound up by Özil's ID on our website :lol::
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What's going on here then? Manutd.com listing Ozil? Mesut Ozil - Manchester United Official Web Site. Wishful thinking (as Everton/Riquelme)?
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Unfortunately (or not :D) our website manager corrected him:
Ozil explanation from manutd.com's @stevebartram1: It's a technical glitch.Every opponent or player linked in transfer spec gets a player ID
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The only technical glitch is that it's been found before they've announce his move.
 
Mesut Ozil signs for Manchester United according to official website

Mesut Ozil is arguably the hottest property in European football right now, but if Manchester United’s official website is anything to by, they may have won the race to sign the in-demand midfielder.

On the first team profiles section, Ozil has been given his own entry – albeit lacking in detail – but the mere fact that it’s there has set tongues wagging.

Ozil was one of the stars for Germany at the 2010 World Cup finals in South Africa. His impressive performances led to widespread speculation that he would leave Werder Bremen this season for one of Europe’s top sides this summer.

The likes of Barcelona, Chelsea and Arsenal have all been linked over recent weeks, but it was United boss Sir Alex Ferguson who was in the stands at Craven Cottage on Saturday to watch the 21-year-old in action.

The Red Devils’ manager confirmed his interest in signing the Germany international, and it now seems that Old Trafford will be his most likely destination.

But this isn’t the first time that something similar has happened, only for the player in question to move elsewhere. Perhaps the most famous example involved Robinho. His shirt was readily available to buy on Chelsea’s official website, only for the Brazilian to opt for a transfer to Manchester City instead.

And this deal may not even happen, either. But one thing certainly can be guaranteed: it won’t stop the United faithful from getting hugely excited at the prospect of seeing Ozil in a red shirt.
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Mesut Ozil signs for Manchester United according to official website | Bettor.com

:lol:
 
Who Will Win The Özil Race?

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