Mesut Özil

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Shimo said:
Summary of last few days.

SAF at Craven Cottage in a game that Ozil played in but, when asked if he was there for him - he said no, it was to watch Fulham. Asked if we were interested in Ozil and he said many clubs are but, he his happy with his squad.

Subsquently there was a report that Werder and Barca had an agreement in place but, awaiting Pep signoff. Pep ended saying he wanted to stick to his youth.

Next day (today) it was rubbished by Werder and Ozil. Werder through Allofs saying they had not heard anything but, there has been some movement but, he isn't standing by the fax machine. Ozil saying he had knows nothing about Barca.

Then later there was a story about Chelsea entering the race but, nothing to even suggest that is the case.

Another story soon popped up today that Benfica were tying up a deal but, that quickly fizzled out.

Daniel Taylor of the Guardian tweeted that it was confirmed by sources that SAF was at Craven Cottage to look at Ozil and not to watch Fulham like he claimed. That SAF normally sends scouts unless it is an important CL game.

Since then there has been zero real news regarding Ozil except a WUM campaign on Social sites by some of our very own (and I egged on along with quite a few).
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Well those people on Twitter all believed it. Well anyway no "official" news anymore. It's all gone a bit dull.

Are we allowed to post real Twitter updates here regarding Ozil, by journalists etc?
 
If people stick to the facts - this thread really shouldn't need constant updating - especially since either by they play their CL game (another fact that should be mentioned is that Werder play a CL game to get into group stages which if Ozil plays next week - will be cup tied) or by Aug 31 - this thread will be pretty much dead.
 
I dont know whether it has a link to the Ozil story or not but according to the Italian media Werder look set of signing Diego who plays very similar to Ozil. They also said that swap deals for Dzeko are out of question.
 
Diego is going back to Werder? I know he had a bit of a stinker at Juve but surely for the money they paid they should hold on to him for another season.
 
wr8_utd said:
Are we allowed to post real Twitter updates here regarding Ozil, by journalists etc?
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Yes of course.
Rumours are fine as long as they're not made-up ridiculous Caf rumours. And yes I realise most rumours are made up, but there's a difference between some journo saying he's heard something and a Caftard saying he's just seen Ozil at the local super market.

The main point is that this is the Transfer Forum, not the General.
 
devilish said:
I dont know whether it has a link to the Ozil story or not but according to the Italian media Werder look set of signing Diego who plays very similar to Ozil. They also said that swap deals for Dzeko are out of question.
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That's Wolfsburg you numpty.
 
Shimo said:
If people stick to the facts - this thread really shouldn't need constant updating - especially since either by they play their CL game (another fact that should be mentioned is that Werder play a CL game to get into group stages which if Ozil plays next week - will be cup tied) or by Aug 31 - this thread will be pretty much dead.
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I'm new around here so I'm not totally sure of the rules. I can understand why people saying "He's signed for Such and Such a Team" would get annoying every other post and has to be stamped out but sticking to the facts?

Isn't part of the whole point of these transfer threads in that they are based on rumour and gossip?

I mean, if the press had to stick to the facts, the papers would be half the size.

Exactly what constitutes a fact is hard to determine these days especially when you get articles such as this appearing:-

Barcelona agree deal for Mesut Ozil with Manchester United and Chelsea too slow - Telegraph

If we're to stick rigidly to facts all the time then thread would only appear when a player has actually signed for United and that wouldn't be much of a discussion, would it?
 
devilish said:
I dont know whether it has a link to the Ozil story or not but according to the Italian media Werder look set of signing Diego who plays very similar to Ozil. They also said that swap deals for Dzeko are out of question.
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Steve Von Claren...
 
Uncle Junior said:
Do we really need him? I don't think we do.
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I don't think we're desperate to sign him (if we were we'd have signed him by now), but out of all the clubs who have been linked with him (Real, Barca, Chelsea) I think we have the most need for him because I don't think we can rely on Scholes to play great football the whole season. Other teams have multiple options to play the playmaker role, and all those options have 5+ years left in the tank. Our only playmakers (based on ability and consistency) are Giggs and Scholes, both at the wrong end of the age spectrum.

The argument against Ozil seems to be we have talented youngsters, especially Cleverley, but I would consider Ozil to be a long-term signing with short-term benefits (he has more experience than Cleverley).

So, in my opinion I think we do need Ozil (or a player like Ozil).
 
vanthaman said:
id rather we didnt sign him and gave cleverley a chance tbh
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Of course I would prefer us to give our English youngsters a chance.

The thing that makes me laugh is that some posters are blaming the England wc debacle on the foreign imports, yet at the same time the same posters want United to buy Ozil or some other fancy foreign name.
 
Germany coach supports Ozil moving to Barcelona:

Germany coach Joachim Low believes a reported move to Barcelona would be of great benefit to Mesut Ozil. “Playing in Barcelona is very special for a player,” Low said. However, Manchester United are also reported to be very keen on the Werder Bremen playmaker.
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Rams said:
Of course I would prefer us to give our English youngsters a chance.

The thing that makes me laugh is that some posters are blaming the England wc debacle on the foreign imports, yet at the same time the same posters want United to buy Ozil or some other fancy foreign name.
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I still think that Cleverley need to be loaned. Without EPL experience I still think that SAF would rather opt on other players (Scholes, Giggs, Anderson and Carrick) then him. Next year we will have 2 empty slots (probably 3 considering Hargreaves) which an EPL tested Cleverley and Ozil could easily cover.
 
devilish said:
I still think that Cleverley need to be loaned. Without EPL experience I still think that SAF would rather opt on other players (Scholes, Giggs, Anderson and Carrick) then him.
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Interesting you mention Giggs and Scholes as they weren't loaned out before they broke in the 1st team...
 
devilish said:
I still think that Cleverley need to be loaned. Without EPL experience I still think that SAF would rather opt on other players (Scholes, Giggs, Anderson and Carrick) then him.
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He seemed to play well tonight again and looks as determined as he is talented. With this 25 thing SAF may have decided that he would be as important to us as Ozil
 
Mesut, I don't want you in Manchester. I have nothing against you, but I prefer to see us give our youngsters a chance so feck off to Barca or summat.
 
Rams said:
Interesting you mention Giggs and Scholes as they weren't loaned out before they broke in the 1st team...
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Things changed since then. Young Giggs didnt had to compete with 4 wingers for a first team place, same thing can be said about Scholes. Correct me if I am wrong but I dont think that you could actually loan a player to another EPL side back then.
 
Crerand Legend said:
He seemed to play well tonight again and looks as determined as he is talented. With this 25 thing SAF may have decided that he would be as important to us as Ozil
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I hope that he makes it. With the new rules setting in, a homegrown talent that can play in 2 positions is worth more then his weight in gold. On the other hand I still believe that the best option would be to loan him to another EPL side to get experience. I dont share the view that by bringing in a new player we would ruin his career, quite contrary, it may allow him to gain more experience elsewhere and be in a stronger position to claim his place.
 
I like to see our youngsters given a fair go, but there are none are who would play Ozil's specific position. So I see no harm whatsoever in signing him if we decided to do that. I doubt we will sign him even though he and Banega would have been my transfer targets as soon as the window opened. In a perfect world we'd instead make sure we have someone who can cover Scholes properly but that doesnt look likely either, so I guess we'll just have to pray that he can play like he did against Chelsea every couple of games and doesnt miss any matches this season.
 
We're not going to sign him, for whatever reason - let it be that Ferguson doesn't rate him, wants to play youngsters instead or couldn't fit him in our current formation. It doesn't matter as long as he's going to end up somewhere else. If it's Barcelona then it's a waste of talent because he's going to go exactly down the same route that Hleb, he's not good enough to beat Villa or Messi and he won't play in a 3-men midfield ahead or Xavi. I can't see a midfield consisting of him, Xavi and Busquets either, he'll be a back-up for Messi.
 
Perhaps fact was not the right term but, as Top mentioned basically sources that aren't made up - even places like that Busbyway. Stick to news sources and journos and such.

The last thread people would just come and post something they read even before checking if it wasn't posted within the last few hours. People should at least read through the posts before posting updates.
 
Sarni said:
We're not going to sign him, for whatever reason - let it be that Ferguson doesn't rate him, wants to play youngsters instead or couldn't fit him in our current formation. It doesn't matter as long as he's going to end up somewhere else. If it's Barcelona then it's a waste of talent because he's going to go exactly down the same route that Hleb, he's not good enough to beat Villa or Messi and he won't play in a 3-men midfield ahead or Xavi. I can't see a midfield consisting of him, Xavi and Busquets either, he'll be a back-up for Messi.
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I can't see there being any truth in the Barca rumours.
 
devilish said:
I hope that he makes it. With the new rules setting in, a homegrown talent that can play in 2 positions is worth more then his weight in gold. On the other hand I still believe that the best option would be to loan him to another EPL side to get experience. I dont share the view that by bringing in a new player we would ruin his career, quite contrary, it may allow him to gain more experience elsewhere and be in a stronger position to claim his place.
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At the start I admit I was anxious we sign Ozil but now I after a bit of consideration I could'nt give two damns whether we sign him or not, I would prefer Cleverly got his chance. The Hargreaves situation could decide whether SAF brings somebody in or not
 
cw1984 said:
I can't see there being any truth in the Barca rumours.
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Im not surprised if its true. The spanish clubs seem to have more money to spend then all Serie A and EPL sides (bar Shitty). At 10m its worth buying him because even if he doesnt do well, you would still be able to recoup the money spent.
 
In an ideal world, we'd wait until Özil's contract expires and then sign him on a free next summer... But that's not going to happen is it? :p

I'm actually very happy with our options in midfield - for this season. Scholes and Giggs have still got it, but surely this is their last season...
 
Why does everyone keep saying Barcelona is a waste of talent? Sure he's like their 4th option after seemingly giving up on Mata and not getting Silva or Fabregas. But rotating 8 or so players for 5 attacking positions over 50+ games and injuries isn't exactly hard.

Him, Messi, Villa, Ibra, Iniesta, Xavi, Pedro will all get 40+ easy and then Bojan would still get plenty of time. It means they won't have to destroy Xavi and Messi all the time as Iniesta will be back to a CM now that they'd have Villa AND Ozil to do the left wing, Ozil can fill for Messi every now and then, Villa can up top giving Ibra a rest and Ozil/Messi on the wings, so many options.
 
Crerand Legend said:
At the start I admit I was anxious we sign Ozil but now I after a bit of consideration I could'nt give two damns whether we sign him or not, I would prefer Cleverly got his chance. The Hargreaves situation could decide whether SAF brings somebody in or not
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I dont give a toss either. Actually I dont know whether he is the right player for our midfield or not. Stating that

a) I dont believe that bringing in a new midfield will signal the end of Cleverley career with us. Quite contrary I think it would actually help it up because it will allow him to gain that 1 year EPL needed and return to United stronger then before to claim an empty slot freed by Hargreaves/Scholes/Giggs.

b) That at this point in time I still think that if SAF has options he would rather play Giggs, Scholes, Carrick or Anderson then him.
 
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