I can't disagree with what you said. Like I said if Messi wasn't around I would be in awe of Ronaldo most likely.
Messi has set the bar so high that when comparing Ronaldo to Messi I just can't see it as a competition.
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Messi has set the bar so high that when comparing Ronaldo to Messi I just can't see it as a competition.
I certainly remember an argument a few years ago for Messi being the better player because he made a bigger impact in big games whereas Ronaldo did less so at one point so you could certainly say it's a key performance indicator and there is a case.
Beckenbauer and Cruyff played against each other in a World Cup final so it's really not that out there...
Good post. Any idea how many goals he had in his first 50 apps for Portugal?
A lot of you people in this thread are major Ronaldo fans right? Did you feel Kaka deserved POTY over Ronaldo that year only because the former did it in the semis and final unlike Ronaldo? 3 games didn't make Kaka the better player that year, it was Ronaldo. Similarly, Ronaldo should not be winning POTY just for the big CL performances when he's not been the best player. If you can neglect what goes on rest of the season and give it on the basis of the biggest games only, then fair enough Ronaldo would deserve it.
Yea true there have been greats who have been in the same era but two in the "Top 5" of all time (probably) in the same era is incredible.
Messi = GOAT for me.
Most people (roughly 2/3 from the research I've done in ~35 countries) aren't fans of players
Adama Traore makes me sit up and say wow at times. Shall we consider him better than Ronaldo.
You're really reaching tonight.
There's plenty who'd argue they're both in the top 5 - it depends on how people view football pre 70s (di Stefano, Puskas) and longevity (Best, Garrincha) but it wouldn't be an uncommon view
I'm not arguing for that at all. I'm saying that Ronaldo has been more decisive in the big games in the past few years in comparison to Messi and this was an argument that was used in favour of Messi for being the better player a fair few years ago. I'm not saying Ronaldo is the better player because he isn't, Messi is, but Ronaldo has turned up in the big games more often than Messi has in recent years.
Yea probably true. I think the majority would, rightly or wrongly, have Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo and Messi in the top 5 alongside one other. Of course there are many other names that you could put in there and make a good argument
I've watched both and Ronaldo is comfortably the better player.
The old "Messi beats teams with the ball at his feet, Ronaldo beats teams before he even gets the ball arguement"...
The thing that is equally boring and interesting in this discussion, is that who you think is better is often a reflection on how you view football. Football is contested by teams, but played by individuals. Messi may be the better one on one, but that's not how the game is played.
The thing that is equally boring and interesting in this discussion, is that who you think is better is often a reflection on how you view football. Football is contested by teams, but played by individuals. Messi may be the better one on one, but that's not how the game is played.
Sorry for the convenient timing of this reply but yeah I think Ronaldo is a better goalscorer. He can score goals through all sorts of ways. I do think Messi is the best player ever though.
I said back then that it was deserved for Kaka and still stand by it. And certainly it wasn't 3 games, for a start he eliminated Celtic by passing their entire defense in the way to goal in the extra time.
And he was hardly shit in the league, neither Ronaldo was in the God mode he reached the following season.
I don't consider myself a massive Ronaldo fan, and think that Messi is the slightly better player. I just like to play the devils advocate, go for the underdog and like to think that I bring objecivity to the table. For what is worth, during most of Ronaldo's time at United, my favorite player was Gabriel Heinze (Ron was my favorite player in the last two years here, after Heinze left).
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So are you saying people who think Messi are better have the wrong view on football?
How is scoring 3 against a side that is known for its defence anything other than god mode? I honestly don't understand.
Messi showed great movement in the final third when he was playing as a false 9 (and consistently throughout his career really, he's just lazier in that regard).
I would agree with you if the Ballon D'Or was a prize for the whole season but it only counts since January and Cristiano has been great since then other than a couple of matches. If Messi had performed better in the CL knockouts then you might be right.
True, but what makes Messi-Ronaldo rivalry more special is that we see them playing each week in the same league. Germans saw Beckenbauer, Dutch saw Cruyff each week, the rest of the world saw them kn World Cup and in European Cups.
When it comes to Messi and Ronaldo, we see them playing each werk and the consistency they have shown is beyond incredible.
Then you don't understand football
Kaka 07 vs Ronaldo 17 isn't exactly the fairest argument other than trying to force it.
For one, Ronaldo's still been key in a title leading season so far, 20 goals in 26 games, goals being worth 14 points alone(including two massive hat-tricks). Kaka in comparison had 8 in 31, 8 goals that could you write off....and wouldn't change a thing for their league season, worth 0 points. Obviously he was more of a playmaker, but either way. In a season where Milan seemingly didn't bother and scrapped to fourth.
Forget the fact that Ronaldo's CL antics massively outweigh Kaka's, United were missing a whole back four in one of the semis, and a Rafa brainfart opened up the final for him. Masch was doing a pretty strong job on Kaka....I'll never get that sub, however desperate you are for a goal. It was too early for that call.
For one, Ronaldo's still been key in a title leading season so far, 20 goals in 26 games, goals being worth 14 points alone(including two massive hat-tricks). Kaka in comparison had 8 in 31, 8 goals that could you write off....and wouldn't change a thing for their league season, worth 0 points. Obviously he was more of a playmaker, but either way. In a season where Milan seemingly didn't bother and scrapped to fourth.
Forget the fact that Ronaldo's CL antics massively outweigh Kaka's, United were missing a whole back four in one of the semis, and a Rafa brainfart opened up the final for him. Masch was doing a pretty strong job on Kaka....I'll never get that sub, however desperate you are for a goal. It was too early for that call.
The classic retort of the man with no argument.
Did they lose the switch in the CL knockout stage?
How is that statement funny? I can provide many an example in the CL latter stages where Ronaldo was equally if not more shite. Believe it or not, they're both human.
Has anyone claimed that Ronaldo "can literally flick a switch and go into god mode where nobody can touch him."?
The fact is the Messi only occasionally does it.
I don't understand the childish bias on this site. Messi is NOT the greatest of all time and he isn't a level above Ronaldo. In fact, if anything, messi is trying to catchup with him. But am not like the fanboys; saying messi is better is just bias and fanboyism. They are on the same level. Ronaldo wows me with his goals and his technical acumen in the box, and so does he to billions of people too, while messi wows people with his trickery in the midfield and how he weaves through defences. They are both the best at what they do (the goals are just a result of their sheer brilliance).
NB: The world is divided into two: Those that say messi is the GOAT, and those that say CR7 is the GOAT...you can't change that with all these pointless points; I choose Ronaldo as a better player than messi...you can call me bias, fanboy or whatever crap. You guys here should just state who you prefer.
NB: The world is divided into two: Those that say messi is the GOAT, and those that say CR7 is the GOAT...you can't change that with all these pointless points; I choose Ronaldo as a better player than messi...you can call me bias, fanboy or whatever crap. You guys here should just state who you prefer.
But that's not necessary because that's not what Madrid expect from Ronaldo, not anymore at least. As long as Ronaldo scores goals, Madrid are happy to do the hard work and 'flick the switch', as long as he's on the end of that switch putting it in the back of the net.
It's why I think arguing who is better will never get anywhere, their roles, their squad's current predicaments etc. are completely different.
Messi will not be the same out of barcelona and their philosophy. Ronaldo can play on the same level with any team.
Oh rubbish, put Messi in any top side in any league and he will flourish.
The reason is his ability with the ball, his reading of the game, his skill level, his technical level, his experience. None of those things change if he was to move to another team and another style of football. They are the reasons he is so good. Messi would still play at the same level if you put him in a top team in another league. What a nonsense argument.
When sir alex ferguson says the same too?
Messi in barcelona and messi in argentina have been a lot different.
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That may all the true, but still doesn't change the fact that statement was funny.
The fact is Messi very occasionally pulls out that kind of performance and certainly does not have some magic switch.
As proven by his performances alongside the likes of Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria, Mascherano & co. or are those players too rubbish?
It's the coach's fault, haven't you been told?!
Shit like this is why this argument is so tedious. Barcelona don't play the same football they did years ago, they're not as willing to hold onto the ball and dominate the game as they use to. They're purely a counter-attacking and attacking side now.
It's as if you can't discuss either of them without trying to downplay them. Genuinely thinking one of the most talented players we've ever seen play the game would struggle outside of Barcelona is laughable.
Also, they've both been underwhelming for their nations, if national performances were the barometer then Neymar is on a different level to them both.
Barcelona play the same posession based game. the words were sir alex's words. not mine
Ronaldo is the best scorer now and perhaps one of the best all time.
Messi is the second best scorer now and perhaps one of the greatest all time.
But Messi is also the best passer, best dribbler and has the best vision now. That shouldn't even happen.
Messi is the second best scorer now and perhaps one of the greatest all time.
But Messi is also the best passer, best dribbler and has the best vision now. That shouldn't even happen.
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