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Prometheus said:
Astonishing someone would say that now! Ronaldo just scored a hatrick for his team in the champions league semifinal against the best defensive team on the planet on the back of putting five past Bayern in the quarter finals. I'm not convinced there's anything humanly possible he could do to convince you that he's "even close to Messi's level". All this fanboyism is ridiculous!
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Messi has set the bar so high. Ronaldo doesn't have the talent to match him no matter how many goals he gets.

Unless he was carrying Real Madrid and getting them out of trouble every game when Real are playing bad and offering nothing in attack then you could have an argument.

He's good when he gets his chances but he can't match Messi and is a level below him
 
swooshboy said:
:eek:

So leaving Scottish football wasn't leaving his comfort zone???
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Oh come on now.
I meant United. He didn't go to some other big European league to prove himself.

Anyway Messi not leaving Barcelona is one of the silliest argument.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
His 2nd goal was stunning. Come on now.

It's just because it's Ronaldo and it's the norm for him.

1st goal again showing his aerial dominance.

And he played a key part in the 3rd goal. Starting it all.

He was good besides the goals too imo.
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It sat up for him perfectly from a deflection. Not going to deny the finish he made sure it hit the back of the net and did a good job of it but again it's not like he was unplayable and significantly better than anyone else on the pitch.

The whole Madrid team were outstanding tonight he was the one to get the goals and finish their chances
 
Cheesy said:
To be fair the award usually tends to be based more on the preceding season as opposed to the calendar year as a whole, largely because trophies won are taken into account. Meaning if Ronaldo's influential in a CL win, he's likely got it in the bag. A league title for Real would almost certainly seal the award up.
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Pity if he wins it because there's no way he's been the BPITW world this season but well Kaka won it for having a good CL campaign so it's possible Ronaldo wins it for his 3 great games.
 
Goals in CL semis:

Ronaldo 13 vs Messi 4.

Huge difference that.
 
Kinsella said:
Agreed. His goalscoring ability has elevated him above other perhaps more talented players.

I think when all is said and done he'll definitely be regarded in the top 10 ever and those who claim otherwise are letting their annoyance with him get the better of them.
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At the very worst case, he'll be remembered as the fourth best player of all time (after Pele, Messi and Maradona).

Eventually though, I think that he has a very good shot at being remembered as even greater than Maradona, and with the number of people who were alive when Pele played getting lower, greater than Pele. And if he manages to surpass Messi when it comes to the number of Ballon D'Ors and UCL, then he might have a shot as being remembered as the greatest ever.

Time will tell, of course.
 
Lay said:
He was Barcelona's best player, although wasn't difficult he did a whole lot more than his teammates did.
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Ronaldo didn't play that well against Bayern either but he still scored a hat trick. Messi was trash vs juve in both legs and only turned up in the second leg against PSG
 
Treble said:
Goals in CL semis:

Ronaldo 13 vs Messi 4.

Huge difference that.
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Messi has dominated and won CL finals for Barca whereas Ronaldo was only good for half a CL final. Neither of the two stats is a stick to compare the two with.
 
wr8_utd said:
Pity if he wins it because there's no way he's been the BPITW world this season but well Kaka won it for having a good CL campaign so it's possible Ronaldo wins it for his 3 great games.
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I mean...I do agree players often get too much attention for a select portion of games, or for their clubs achievement as opposed to on an individual basis, but when those games are among the most important in your season...well, I can kind of see why they'd be construed as a big deal. Obviously performances over a whole season are massive, but the biggest performances of a season tend to be what a lot of players are judged on more than anything else. And it's not as if Ronaldo's been poor domestically either: 20 league goals in 26 league games is low for him, yeah, but that's more a reflection of how clinical he's been in the past.
 
wr8_utd said:
Pity if he wins it because there's no way he's been the BPITW world this season but well Kaka won it for having a good CL campaign so it's possible Ronaldo wins it for his 3 great games.
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It is all about the best player in the best competition. Especially now that FIFA aren't anymore part of the Ballon D'Or.

I think that it is quite right, to be fair.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Ronaldo didn't play that well against Bayern either but he still scored a hat trick. Messi was trash vs juve in both legs and only turned up in the second leg against PSG
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I think you're trying to make as bad posts in a row as you can. Messi would have had two assists against Juventus in the first leg if Iniesta and Suarez could have finished relatively easy chances. Messi wasn't even that good in the secong leg against PSG. That was PSG shitting themselves and Neymar dragging them through.
 
wr8_utd said:
Pity if he wins it because there's no way he's been the BPITW world this season but well Kaka won it for having a good CL campaign so it's possible Ronaldo wins it for his 3 great games.
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It's for the best player in 2017 not the best player in 16/17 and he's been in flying form this year, alongside delivering in key moments in a way his competitors haven't.
 
Messi is also having to play centre mid this season. He doesn't have the luxury Ronaldo has of being able to stay high up the pitch and wait for chances to come to him.

If Messi isn't getting on the ball in midfield Barca have nothing up front to create for them.

The fact he's playing so deep and getting the goals while creating for them shows how he is on another level to any player
 
Prometheus said:
Astonishing someone would say that now! Ronaldo just scored a hatrick for his team in the champions league semifinal against the best defensive team on the planet on the back of putting five past Bayern in the quarter finals. I'm not convinced there's anything humanly possible he could do to convince you that he's "even close to Messi's level". All this fanboyism is ridiculous!
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If Ronaldo scores 20 goals in the champions league final, there are posters here who would still claim Ronaldo is very inferior to Messi.

Ronaldo has scored 8 goals in the knock out stage of the competition this season while Messi fired blanks in both legs against Juve.

Why can't some posters just agree Ronaldo has had a better performance than Messi in this year's CL? Will it kill to just admit that obvious fact?
 
Every year the gap between these two and the next group of best players gets larger. feck football for a while when they are done
 
Cheesy said:
I mean...I do agree players often get too much attention for a select portion of games, or for their clubs achievement as opposed to on an individual basis, but when those games are among the most important in your season...well, I can kind of see why they'd be construed as a big deal. Obviously performances over a whole season are massive, but the biggest performances of a season tend to be what a lot of players are judged on more than anything else. And it's not as if Ronaldo's been poor domestically either: 20 league goals in 26 league games is low for him, yeah, but that's more a reflection of how clinical he's been in the past.
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He's had a very good season yes but not the best by his standards and well he's not been the best player.
Revan said:
It is all about the best player in the best competition. Especially now that FIFA aren't anymore part of the Ballon D'Or.

I think that it is quite right, to be fair.
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You can't really give awards for 7 games a season though can you? The group stages are a joke really so they don't even count. The tournament only gets serious in the knockouts and it's a Player of the Year award so giving it just for 7 CL games seems wrong. I'm sure Ronaldo is going to win it but he's not been the best player this season.
 
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Vialli_92 said:
Messi literally destroyed him and Real last week.

He was good tonight but he didn't bring much to the team he was just where he had to be to get the goals.

How you can say it's not even up for debate is extremely bias when he's not on Messi's level
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:wenger:

He wasn't just where he had to be.
 
Hypothetical and will never happen, but if Messi were to sign for Madrid/ Ronaldo to sign for Barca, would the fans turn on them?
 
Vialli_92 said:
His goals were nothing crazy tonight, he got given the chances and he took them it's not like he was unplayable and you could say ye he was unbelievable.

He was good but people are seriously exaggerating his performance
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He was creating, dribbling, defending and scoring. It was a complete performance capped with a hattrick.
 
Vialli_92 said:
His goals were nothing crazy tonight, he got given the chances and he took them it's not like he was unplayable and you could say ye he was unbelievable.

He was good but people are seriously exaggerating his performance
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The thing is - somehow it's only Ronaldo who, game after game, gets those chances and takes them at this rate
 
Arbitrium said:
Hypothetical and will never happen, but if Messi were to sign for Madrid/ Ronaldo to sign for Barca, would the fans turn on them?
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All the United fans would leave Madrid and start supporting Barca then :lol:
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
If by any chance Portugal do a Euro 2016 at the next world cup. He might even surpass Messi.....Right now though he looks like he is launching a new career as a center forward. Whilst Messi is drooping deeper into midfield. These lads are likely to still be breaking records in 7 years time.....
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Agreed. I'll never see him as the better player of the two but he's definitely in with a shout of being the greater player. Wouldn't put it past Messi to lead his teams to a WC and another UCL or two though - he's got plenty of years left, injury permitting.
 
harms said:
The thing is - somehow it's only Ronaldo who, game after game, gets those chances and takes them at this rate
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Benzema does get the chances too but Ronaldo is in a different league altogether when it comes to the class and composure required.
 
wr8_utd said:
You can't really give awards for 7 games a season though can you? The group stages are a joke really so they don't even count. The tournament only gets serious in the knockouts and it's a Player of the Year award so giving it just for 7 CL games seems wrong. I'm sure Ronaldo is going to win it but he's not been the best player this season.
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The gap in UCL performances between Ronaldo and Messi this year has been massive, Ronaldo has been so much better.

You could say that it has been vice versa in La Liga, but Ronaldo will still likely win the trophy.

So, if Ronaldo has been the better player in the main competition, and wins both UCL and La Liga, then it is difficult to argue against him winning it.

Despite that it is given for a calendar year, it is mostly a season trophy.
 
I can see juventus winning it this year, so his ballon d'or might not be as straight forward
 
Revan said:
At the very worst case, he'll be remembered as the fourth best player of all time (after Pele, Messi and Maradona).

Eventually though, I think that he has a very good shot at being remembered as even greater than Maradona, and with the number of people who were alive when Pele played getting lower, greater than Pele.
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He may be remembered as the fourth best ever, time will tell.

As for the rest, absolutely not for me - there's a limit to how far goalscoring feats will take him. The idea that Ronaldo is greater than Maradona is ridiculous.

Revan said:
And if he manages to surpass Messi when it comes to the number of Ballon D'Ors and UCL, then he might have a shot as being remembered as the greatest ever.

Time will tell, of course.
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I'll quite confidently assert that Ronaldo will never be deemed the greatest player ever.

For arguments sake - if he was then I'd find that both sad and a poor advertisement for the sport. The greatest in any sport has to have brought more to the table than Ronaldo has...much more.
 
Vialli_92 said:
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Messi has set the bar so high. Ronaldo doesn't have the talent to match him no matter how many goals he gets.

Unless he was carrying Real Madrid and getting them out of trouble every game when Real are playing bad and offering nothing in attack then you could have an argument.

He's good when he gets his chances but he can't match Messi and is a level below him
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You are absolutely making no sense. He scored all of Real's goals in the quarter finals and the semi finals so far apart from a grand total of one. Apparently that isn't the same as and/or is inferior to "carrying" the team or "getting them out of trouble." I've seen so much bad logic on the internet, but these threads contain some that are up there with the worst of them.
 
harms said:
The thing is - somehow it's only Ronaldo who, game after game, gets those chances and takes them at this rate
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Yes he's very good but when comparing him to Messi he has to do more to be on his level.

Messi is unplayable and brings things to the game that Ronaldo simply can't.
 
Best header of the ball ever, phenomenal positional sense and goalscoring ability but Messi is the only one in the debate for greatest of all time.
 
Vialli_92 said:
Yes he's very good but when comparing him to Messi he has to do more to be on his level.

Messi is unplayable and brings things to the game that Ronaldo simply can't.
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It's weird that Ronaldo is so far from being unplayable yet so often makes the difference, game after game, season after season. Perhaps your definition of being unplayable is a little narrow?
 
Revan said:
The gap in UCL performances between Ronaldo and Messi this year has been massive, Ronaldo has been so much better.

You could say that it has been vice versa in La Liga, but Ronaldo will still likely win the trophy.

So, if Ronaldo has been the better player in the main competition, and wins both UCL and La Liga, then it is difficult to argue against him winning it.

Despite that it is given for a calendar year, it is mostly a season trophy.
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Has Ronaldo been the better player though? Before these 3 games, he had 2 goals in the competition. Yes he's been the difference on the big stage but that doesn't make him the best player this season imo. It's the same way Kaka was never the best the year he won it just for his 4-5 great games in the CL.
 
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