To be fair the award usually tends to be based more on the preceding season as opposed to the calendar year as a whole, largely because trophies won are taken into account. Meaning if Ronaldo's influential in a CL win, he's likely got it in the bag. A league title for Real would almost certainly seal the award up.
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To be fair the award usually tends to be based more on the preceding season as opposed to the calendar year as a whole, largely because trophies won are taken into account. Meaning if Ronaldo's influential in a CL win, he's likely got it in the bag. A league title for Real would almost certainly seal the award up.
I think if you asked the world then Messi would still be chosen more, so it's more than up for debate.
Still think Messi is better for what he brings to Barca. CR7 is still a truly WC player though.
Pretty much a guarantee Ronaldo wins it now imo.
Heavily weighted towards CL and he's been sensational in the knock-outs.
Garrincha is considered the best. Careca would be 5th best
Isn't one of Messi's champions leagues from the season prior to Ronaldo joining Madrid? If so, could argue Ronaldo's for us can be counted too.
The greatest compliment you could pay Ronaldo is that he'll match Messi in Ballon d'Ors won this year despite being an inferior player.
That's pretty incredible.
That's pretty incredible.
There has always been a debate between the two and there will always be until one retires.
Yes. Group stages of UCL and the first half of the season doesn't matter that much for Ballon D'Or. Winning the league and UCL matters much more.
Ronaldo also will have Confederations Cup which can add points to his favor.
My guess is you misread what I wrote.
And here we get back to the part about Ronaldo constantly being all about goals, and Messi only occasionally so.
Well that's a bit of an extreme. People will debate this for decades after they retire.
Messi may be better but Ronaldo is criminally underrated by some posters on here. Best European footballer ever.
They'd both be on four.
2006, 2009, 2011, 2015 for Messi.
2008, 2014, 2016 for Ronaldo so far.
That's a bit stupid if you ask me. They should give it half year then.
Messi literally destroyed him and Real last week.
He was good tonight but he didn't bring much to the team he was just where he had to be to get the goals.
How you can say it's not even up for debate is extremely bias when he's not on Messi's level
It should just done with at the end of the season makes no sense to give it mid season
Posted 10 minutes after a hat trick.
Was it up for debate last week when Messi won El Classico?
Astonishing someone would say that now! Ronaldo just scored a hatrick for his team in the champions league semifinal against the best defensive team on the planet on the back of putting five past Bayern in the quarter finals. I'm not convinced there's anything humanly possible he could do to convince you that he's "even close to Messi's level". All this fanboyism is ridiculous!
We'd be a bit sneaky if we're counting that against Messi, though. Considering Barca were at a level far beyond Real in the 08-09 season (Real almost certainly wouldn't have won the competition than year) and Messi (sadly for us) won the CL title against a United team featuring Ronaldo himself in it. And if we're including Ronaldo's at United, then we could also be extra sneaky and include Barca's 05-06 win, since Messi featured for them until he got injured that year and, while nowhere near as influential as he'd later be, still had a couple of very good games for them.
But it's probably a bit silly going down that road, and likewise I'd say it'd be very arbitrary if we're limiting it to the time they've both been in La Liga since it excludes the season before when Messi established himself as the best in the world.
He's easily on messi's level if not past it, I'd love to see Messi leave his comfort zone at Barca and dominate another league like Ronaldo has done emphatically....oh wait he won't.
Prisoner of the moment type stuff. If he plays poorly in the CL final then the opinions quickly change again.
Can't be arsed with the boring debate. But just imagine the pair of them in the same team...feck.
This is a bit of a silly argument, though. Messi's shown he can dominate other leagues by regularly performing against the best teams in other leagues - he produced two fantastic performances in CL finals against us in years we won the title. If he could do that, then I doubt he'd have any struggle disposing of Stoke or Sunderland.
And the 'comfort zone' argument is a bit silly - ultimately both Ronaldo and Messi are playing within their comfort zone, because both of their teams are catered to them to an extent - and quite rightfully, because any team who doesn't try to cater to players who can effortlessly average around a goal a game is off their head.
Yeah but if it doesn't matter what happens for instance in the beginning of next season it's a bit pointless.
SAF never left his comfort zone. Does that make him any worse?
Why would he though? Just to satisfy some people posting on football forums?
Ya I actually agree giving it some more thought now. Kudos to Ronaldo though for seemingly stepping up during the MSN era.
Personally, I think Messi is better. However, people on this forum listing tens of players better than Ronaldo are quite ridiculous. In years to come we're going to realise just how good Ronaldo really was.
Or to the part when Ronaldo is the best player ever for a counter attacking team, always in counterattacks making players double him and so allowing free spaces for his teammates, running far more than Messi and so contributing in defense especially when it comes to corners, etc.
Still, Messi is the better player. Just that it is incredibly close.
His goals were nothing crazy tonight, he got given the chances and he took them it's not like he was unplayable and you could say ye he was unbelievable.
He was good but people are seriously exaggerating his performance
He was good but people are seriously exaggerating his performance
It's possible on FUT
But would have been quite a sight. There were rumors Barcelona were interested in Ronaldo after that wink at the 2006 WC if I recall.
I remember doing this on an old FIFA Career Mode when Rooney demanded to leave. He went to Barca, so I signed Messi. I had enough money leftover to buy Ronaldo. I'm pretty sure to get him I sold Young, Ferdinand, Hernandez, Welbeck, Berbatov, Carrick and Nani...but well, yeah, seeing them both in the same team would be immense.
Just because Messi performed better that particular match it doesn't mean anything. 2 hat tricks in the knockout stages against 2 top quality teams is amazing.
Using your logic where was Messi when they were dismantled by Juventus? He was virtually a ghost. Meanwhile Ronaldo was scoring a hat trick in his game.
His 2nd goal was stunning. Come on now.
It's just because it's Ronaldo and it's the norm for him.
1st goal again showing his aerial dominance.
And he played a key part in the 3rd goal. Starting it all.
He was good besides the goals too imo.
I'm on Messi's side as the GoaT but honestly everytime doubts slip in about Ronaldo he comes up with something special as if to say "Doubt me now.". He may be selfish on the pitch but he's so good. I'd put himself and Messi as the top two of all time ahead of Maradona, Best, Pele, R9. They are just so good at football its not fair. We're blessed to live in an era where these two guys are on the pitch.
That's good. But he was shit in the CL vs PSG and Juve. And Ronaldo was the boss vs Bayern and Atleti.
I think Messi will go down as a better player overall for sure but this is just silly. You might as well ask what did the keeper do apart from saving a bunch of shots.
Yeah, would largely agree with that. While a lot of people criticise Ronaldo's shift in play from the silky, skillful player he was in his youth to the scoring machine we see now, I think he deserves a fair bit of praise for it if anything - he's managed to adapt his game to the point where he doesn't really rely on intricate ability on the ball anymore, but can depend on pace and finishing etc. Absurdly clinical and still brilliant.
He was Barcelona's best player, although wasn't difficult he did a whole lot more than his teammates did.
Agreed. His goalscoring ability has elevated him above other perhaps more talented players.
I think when all is said and done he'll definitely be regarded in the top 10 ever and those who claim otherwise are letting their annoyance with him get the better of them.
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