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Peyroteo said:
He certainly did. If they're saying that then they're wrong and if you're talking about that thread which was linked around here recently there were as many people agreeing as people disagreeing. He was doing it in Madrid too until the second season then he became unstoppable when Mourinho came. If you don't think it's true he dribbled past 4 or 5 defenders then watch some youtube video and I'm sure you'll find some evidence of that.

He's a completely different player now than what he was in 2008 too.

I don't care about pundits or old players' opinions. They're mostly full of shit. But there are plenty who said they liked Ronaldo better.

Roberto Baggio "Many people know that Ronaldo is the best in the world but they are afraid to say it."
Drogba "The best player i have ever played with is the best player in the world Cristiano Ronaldo."
Maradona - "Defenders are more afraid of Ronaldo than Messi"
Roberto Carlos - https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/roberto-carlos-ronaldo-best-world-still

That was just a quick google search. I'm sure there are many more.
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There is no video of Ronaldo getting past 4+ players, it never happened (maybe against Fulham, but that couldve been 3 players). Ive been following him since the start. The video's of him getting past 3 players are extremely rare let alone more, and I mean really going past them, not sideways and resluting in back pass.

I think there was a big difference how he played in 2006/2007 and after. i think a lot of united supporters can attest to that. There were a lot of people saying in the thread that his all round game wasn't spectacular (in 2007/2008), but he scored goals nonetheless. You can say they are wrong, but the thing is the talk of him being this efficiiency monster is something that been hovering around for many years.

Actually there arent many more who think Ronaldo is better. Do you have a link for the baggio quote? I couldn't find it. Drogba I could imagine him saying that, because they are friends and have similar styles. Maradona's quote doesn't mean anything and he has said many times that Messi is the best. Roberto Carlos a Real Madrid legend isn't exactly a neutral isn't he.

You have people like Rooney, Giggs, RVN, and Scholes who say Messi is the best and best ever. People who played with Ronaldo, can you imagine someone whose played with Messi saying the opposite?
 
Acheron said:
Today Messi was the better player and it was about time he did something like this because before this game he hadn't scored or being very good at any clásico since 2014, he also recently scored against Atlético (also had a very long spell without scoring). So sure this performance is very signifcant for Barcelona as a team and for Messi's individual performances. I think Ronaldo was good in his role, he did everything right except for being clinical like he was against Bayern and there was one very clear chance for him he should have scored; so while I won't shit on him it feels he let himself and the team down missing a very good opportunity to put the team ahead and wrap the league and he has only him to blame for that.

Still the league isn't done yet and we have other crucial games ahead, he won't have another opportunity to score against Barcelona in what's left of the season but we can still win the league and the UCL so I hope he doesn't sulk after this and keeps scoring goals for us.
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If Messi has the type of game Ronaldo had we'd be saying he played very bad.
 
Cal? said:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-gets-the-nod-from-pele-ahead-of-lionel-messi

Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player in world football says Pele, who insists the Portuguese would be his first pick over Lionel Messi if he were a manager.
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Pele talks shite. His opinion changes weekly.

It's very difficult because there have always been players who have been compared with me [as the best player ever]," Pele said. "First there was [Alfredo] Di Stefano, then [Johan] Cruyff, [Franz] Beckenbauer, Bobby Charlton, Maradona and now there is Messi. Leo is the one I like the most -- he's the most complete.

"Messi is my favourite player, but Cristiano Ronaldo and Neymar are also good. They have different styles in a football which has changed."
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Asked who is the best player in the world, Pele said: "I could mention some names but, what has happened in the last 10 to 15 years, I think Messi is the player who was the most consistent all those years, no doubt.

"We have had a lot of good players. Then Cristiano Ronaldo (of Real Madrid) came late but it is different because Messi is the more organised, he scores goals.

"Cristiano Ronaldo is like the Ronaldo from Brazil. He is a good scorer, no doubt, but to me as a player it is Messi
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'At the moment the best player in the world is Ronaldo. I admire him, if I had to set up a national team he would be my first pick. But in the meantime I feel sorry because today and the last five years, you just mention two big stars. Some years ago, you had a lot of players.'
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Pele spews more shite than Maradona, scoring all those headers gave him brain damge and his opinion is invalid
 
Cal? said:
That we can agree on. :D
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Also claims this:

"The only problem that Neymar has is the header. Cristiano Ronaldo is not better than him," Pele - a winner of three World Cups - told Brazilian outlet UOL.


"Technically, Neymar is way better, but he [Ronaldo] is better when using the head.
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No one takes Pele seriously. This thread went to the dogs ages ago, but sunk to lower depths by bringing Pele's opinions into it.
 
Lay said:
Also claims this:



No one takes Pele seriously. This thread went to the dogs ages ago, but sunk to lower depths by bringing Pele's opinions into it.
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I've already agreed Pele talks shite, but plenty of other players talk shite regularly.

My point is that some articles online quoting some players saying who is better between them means f-all.
 
Cal? said:
I've already agreed Pele talks shite, but plenty of other players talk shite regularly.

My point is that some articles online quoting some players saying who is better between them means f-all.
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Agreed. Like people who constantly post the quotes about Scholes, as if other players haven't had similar quotes (Gerrard for example).
 
my share of quotes about Messi:

Maldini: "I was lucky not to have faced Messi. He was injured when we played against FC Barcelona, and I do not know how I would have managed stopping Leo because in my time there were possibilities of failure. Is he unstoppable? Yes, because he's unpredictable and possesses incredible speed. He's able to transform a normal move into a clear scoring chance."

Nesta: "Looking at the whole career, the highest peak is touched by Messi. Unfortunately, one year I played against him four times in a season, I’ve been very unlucky and already pretty old! He has something special, a real out of the ordinary player. CR7 is a great champion too, but Messi is special, is the toughest one for a defender. Messi can make ten sprints in a row, it’s impossible for you to stand against him.”

T. Silva: "Maybe Messi is a little bit better, but that doesn’t take anything away from Cristiano. In football terms I see Messi currently being a little bit better.”

Chiellini: "With Cristiano Ronaldo you mark him trying to not let him inside on the right. With Messi… you cross yourself and pray!”

Terry: "Quite clearly for me, he's the best ever. He's a great individual, a great person as well and a credit to the sport. For me, he's got everything. He is magical."
 
Peyroteo said:
This is what you said:

"And I think you will have very a hard time in finding neutral pundits or old players who think ronaldo is better. Maybe someone in England where they rate physicality higher, but other than that ive never heard or read it." - I took the first two links in a google search in less than a minute. Your first statement is just a lie. Type on youtube 'Cristiano Ronaldo dribbling' and I'm sure you'll find it. How in the world can you even say stuff like that? I like how you keep specifying Fulham like there was just one specific game where he did it and it had to be a bad team ffs.
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Calm down. You said Ronaldo dribbled 4,5,6 players reguraly over half his career. I said that isnt true, he never did. Can you give me one example? I dont think you can.


Peyroteo said:
This talk of an efficiency monster wasn't even around 3 years ago. Nevermind 10. His all round game was never equal to the best of all time. And by 'all round' I mean passing and dribbling which is what people mean and what they're talking about 10 years ago. He was still one of the best in the world at it. And he was truly an 'all round player', unlike Messi who does what he does brilliantly but doesn't have the versatility Cristiano used to have. I read the start of that thread and it's like 3 or 4 people just saying the same over and over again too. It wasn't true then and it's not true now.
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The talk of him being purely scorer has been around a long time, as is proven by threads in the past. I read the first couple pages of the old Messi thread and it was argued by enough people, without anyone arguing otherwise.

And what do you mean "by Ronaldo was truly an allround player unlike Messi"? What do you mean "he used to be one of the best in the world at it"?As in dribbling and passing? You think Ronaldo was one of the best passers in the world? I hope not.


Peyroteo said:
There are literally hundreds ffs. Just google 'Ronaldo better than messi players quotes' and you're on. All the ones I posted are true. Google it. Or are you expecting me to provide you links with hundreds of quotes Ronaldo is better. It's such a stupid argument to begin with but you had to make it completely untrue for full effect.
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If I Google that I get memes and Ronaldo fan sites not articles.

I dont expect anything, I only asked you for one link, regarding the baggio quote, because I myself couldnt find it, but I guess you couldnt so you went for a rant.

There are hundreds of quotes praising Ronaldo by neutrals, but not saying he is outright better than Messi.


Peyroteo said:
Deco said it but I guess that doesn't count because he played a bit with Ronaldo too. I can't be bothered looking for it but I bet you anything there's someone who said it. It is such a moronic argument to begin with and I don't think I need to tell you that so I'll leave it here. I mean, how many games do you think Rooney has watched of Cristiano in Madrid? I'm guessing 5 at most
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Assumptions.

I dont think deco outright said Ronaldo is better than Messi. The names I mentioned, Rooney, Scholes and Giggs I can back them all up with links. I doubt you can do the same.

But the argument was you said there are plenty of neutral people who say Ronaldo is better. I think that isnt true. Given the legends, old players, pundits who overwhelmingly think Messi is the best.
 
It's glaringly obvious that Messi is a better footballer than Ronaldo. The gap between them at this moment in time is the largest it has ever been since Ronaldo joined RM. Messi controls attacks and scores. Ronaldo is subpar when he isn't finishing with one touch. I don't understand how people can watch Ronaldo play today and say he is as good as Messi.
 
Pocho said:
If Messi has the type of game Ronaldo had we'd be saying he played very bad.
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You can judge Messi as you like and overall that could be the case but for instance I think they fulfill different roles to their teams but the thing is even when Ronaldo scores 5 goals against Bayern people are telling he had a bad game, or that aside from the goals he was shit; I think that's a bigger issue and a signal of bigger cognitive bias. For instance this season I've been defending players like Ronaldo or Neymar, who also was getting judged pretty hard by plenty of people on here.
 
Peyroteo said:
There were hundreds of quotes. Yeah Maradona's quote doesn't fit so well but it doesn't matter to what we were arguing. It's such a stupid point to argue anyway. Pundits and ex-players come out with stupid statements all the time.



-Arsene Wenger: Clearly said Messi is the best of all times. It's a famous quote on video.
-Drogba: It's okay
-Baggio: It's okay
-Muller: Have you got the link?
-Okocha: It's okay
-Pelé: Is in both lists and changes all the time
-Michael Owen (yup, he is in both lists :lol:)
-Maradona: He's against Messi.
-Figo: Portuguese and played with ronaldo
-Roberto Carlos: Real MAdrid legend
-Andy Carrol: It's okay
-Sneijder: on both lists too
- Seaman: It's okay
-Eusébio: Portuguese, but I'm sure he spoke about messi too
-Fernando Torres: On both lists too, but I hope you can pass me the link of this one

And there are more. I also don't think I need to say why this doesn't matter at all, because it shouldn't be hard to grasp really.
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My quote was all of them saying that Messi is the best of all times. Notice I didn't post any argentinian nor Barcelona player/ex player as you did. And I can put all the sources from them.

Did Drogba say Cr7 is the best ever once? Or Muller? Cause I don't think so.
 
Why are Messi lovers so insecure that they need to claim he is better and best goat ever in every thread? ffs

People have opinions and I think Messi is great. If my knee didn't my end my very short career, i could be better than him, same dribbling but more power and strength. I wouldn't be as good as Maradona though. He was a true artist.
 
Peyroteo said:
Google 'drogba quote ronaldo' and it will show up.

Wenger has said Messi is better than Ronaldo, that Ronaldo is better than Messi and that Ibra is better than both. Which should be enough for anyone to understand that comparing players based on others' quotes is simply nonsense
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Then, another quote from drogba: "most of Barca fans are kids who have watched football for the first time yesterday". I think we understand where it comes from :D
 
Peyroteo said:
Messi mostly does the same things (very very succesfully) on the pitch while Cristiano threatens teams in very different ways. Doesn't make Cristiano better than Messi, that's not what I'm saying. I mean that Ronaldo does at least a bit of everything while Messi just does his thing better than anyone. Doesn't matter anyway, I was only arguing people's definition of 'all round' which is passing and ball retention essentially which is not really what it means.
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There's not really a clear definition of what all round means. At the most basic level football's divided up into attackers, midfielders, defenders and goalkeepers. If you focus in on outfield players, the core responsibilities are about keeping the ball out of the net, controlling the game and putting it in the other net. Messi's better at two of those things.

When it comes to putting the ball in the net, Ronaldo can score from further out, is better in the air and is probably a better penalty box poacher. He can score from further out but it's quite rare and overall he scores less long range goals, including from set pieces. Then when it comes to penalty box poaching - intelligent movement from crosses, 1 on 1s, short range finishing - there's not much between them. Most players score the majority of their goals from that and they score a similar amount of goals, with a similar level of expertise. In the air he's streets ahead of Messi and many of the all time greats, but that's never been an essential part of a great player's game. You rarely hear people talk about Pele's aerial game, even from "fanboys", because it simply isn't as important as many other facets of attacking play. The two obvious ones being dribbling and passing, which people do wax lyrical about when it comes to Pele, and Messi is streets ahead of Ronaldo in both.

Then you add in the fact that Messi's contribution to controlling the game, whether it's possession retention or purposeful attacking direction and creative play, is streets ahead of Ronaldo, and it makes it a bit of a no brainer for me. The only way Ronaldo could compensate for that is if he was somehow incredible defensively, which he of course isn't. He can arguably score in more varied ways, depending on you want to define varied goalscoring, but even that's debatable. The kind of goal Messi scored against Arsenal is something Ronaldo could never do, but you could choose a limited definition of calling that finishing in the 6 yard box. However you could do the same with Ronaldo scoring headers from the 6 yard box. It just depends on how you want to group things.
 
Brwned said:
There's not really a clear definition of what all round means. At the most basic level football's divided up into attackers, midfielders, defenders and goalkeepers. If you focus in on outfield players, the core responsibilities are about keeping the ball out of the net, controlling the game and putting it in the other net. Messi's better at two of those things.

When it comes to putting the ball in the net, Ronaldo can score from further out, is better in the air and is probably a better penalty box poacher. He can score from further out but it's quite rare and overall he scores less long range goals, including from set pieces. Then when it comes to penalty box poaching - intelligent movement from crosses, 1 on 1s, short range finishing - there's not much between them. Most players score the majority of their goals from that and they score a similar amount of goals, with a similar level of expertise. In the air he's streets ahead of Messi and many of the all time greats, but that's never been an essential part of a great player's game. You rarely hear people talk about Pele's aerial game, even from "fanboys", because it simply isn't as important as many other facets of attacking play. The two obvious ones being dribbling and passing, which people do wax lyrical about when it comes to Pele, and Messi is streets ahead of Ronaldo in both.

Then you add in the fact that Messi's contribution to controlling the game, whether it's possession retention or purposeful attacking direction and creative play, is streets ahead of Ronaldo, and it makes it a bit of a no brainer for me. The only way Ronaldo could compensate for that is if he was somehow incredible defensively, which he of course isn't.
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For me an 'all round player' is a player that's at least average in most atributes. A player that can pass, dribble, head the ball, score, has good ball retention, can tackle, fast, strong, etc.. I associate that more with Ronaldo than with Messi. Perhaps due to his superior athleticism and I consider him to be a more versatile player. But like I said I don't think it matters really and I agree with most of what you said
 
Peyroteo said:
For me an 'all round player' is a player that's at least average in most atributes. A player that can pass, dribble, head the ball, score, has good ball retention, can tackle, fast, strong, etc.. I associate that more with Ronaldo than with Messi. Perhaps due to his superior athleticism and I consider him to be a more versatile player. But like I said I don't think it matters really and I agree with most of what you said
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How can you associate passing, dribbling and ball retention with Ronaldo more than Messi?

Messi is probably the best passer and dribbler in the world.
 
Pink Moon said:
How can you associate passing, dribbling and ball retention with Ronaldo more than Messi?

Messi is probably the best passer and dribbler in the world.
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I don't. That's not what i said. Or at least it's not what I wanted to say, maybe english being my second language is causing some problems. Messi is probably the best passer in the world and certainly the best dribbler. He's also currently the best player in the world.

What I meant is that an 'all round player' is a player that can do a bit of everything. For example, Pogba would be an all round player, since he can do a bit of everything. Iniesta wouldn't. And like i said earlier too, it doesn't really matter. I was only arguing with the definition of it, not comparing Ronaldo and Messi.

IFC 1905 said:
Lol some people are incredible here
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No need for the passive agression. Especially since you guys misunderstood me
 
broccoli said:
Why are Messi lovers so insecure that they need to claim he is better and best goat ever in every thread? ffs

People have opinions and I think Messi is great. If my knee didn't my end my very short career, i could be better than him, same dribbling but more power and strength. I wouldn't be as good as Maradona though. He was a true artist.
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Im Messi and cant give a feck about your knee, you dont actually have my dribbling, have nowhere near my passing, vision, playmaking, general understanding of the game and I've even set goalscoring records as a striker you were never capable of, I do envy your national team trophies though.
 
broccoli said:
Why are Messi lovers so insecure that they need to claim he is better and best goat ever in every thread? ffs

People have opinions and I think Messi is great. If my knee didn't my end my very short career, i could be better than him, same dribbling but more power and strength. I wouldn't be as good as Maradona though. He was a true artist.
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:lol:
 
Peyroteo said:
And you said he never dribbled past 4 players. To which I replied you could find those examples on youtube. To which you replied asking me for places where you can see Ronaldo dribbling past players. Do you want me to tell you again? I'm not going to watch youtube videos to find one moment to show you ffs. i've seen them plenty of times live, I remember watching him doing so in person even when he hadn't left Sporting yet. You're the one who hasn't seen them so you're in for a treat. I remember a great final against Millwall where he was always dribbling past players, look at those highlights and I'm sure you'll find some great examples. Any highlights of that time should do really.
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I just don't think he did it over half his career. Maybe I should have not used the word never, he obviously did once or twice in his early years. But I think you kinda proved my point by going back to a game in 2004. In which he had a great game, where he had one really spectacular run, where he dribbled 4 players. But even in that period that was something that was very rare for him to do I think.

Peyroteo said:
They said his passing and dribbling wasn't as good as Messi's. Not that he wasn't good at it. And again, not only are you wrong, your entire argumentation is just awful. It doesn't even matter that you're wrong. 'People were talking about it therefore it was true.' What kind of logic is that? There's so much crap in the first pages of that thread. Just because people say something 10 years ago doesn't make things true. People in that thread were arguing about Messi's poor goalscoring ability and that he was always injured, I guess he was a poor goalscorer who was always injured then? People just last night were arguing in the La Liga thread that Real would be better off right now by dropping Ronaldo to the bench. 10 years from now there will be someone like you thinking how Ronaldo was a terrible player at 32.
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Who determines what is true? I just said the talk about him becoming more of a goalscorer already was hovering around in 2008. It doesn't necessarily matter if its true or not. You don't think its true, but some people did. There is no smoke, without fire. Btw Messi wasn't known as a great goalscorer and was injury prone back then.

Peyroteo said:
Messi mostly does the same things (very very succesfully) on the pitch while Cristiano threatens teams in very different ways. Doesn't make Cristiano better than Messi, that's not what I'm saying. I mean that Ronaldo does at least a bit of everything while Messi just does his thing better than anyone. Doesn't matter anyway, I was only arguing people's definition of 'all round' which is passing and ball retention essentially which is not really what it means.
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Who determines what an allround player is? I wouldn't say Messi mostly does the same things. He imo is the best dribbler, passer, finisher and most creative player in the world. I think those aspects are the most important and difficult in football. Ronaldo only football qualities imo which are better are heading, weak foot and arguably movement and finishing. On top of that he is taller and stronger, but it would be strange to call him more all round just because he can head the ball better.


Peyroteo said:
Like I said I'm not going to bother finding quotes with the right article because you want. Put them on google and search. I'm not going to find every quote to argue the stupidest and most insignificant argumentation ever, I looked now for the Baggio quote and can't find it, other than in quora which is where I took it from. You're still tremendously wrong anyway. Every player ever could have said Ronaldo is a terrible player and you'd still be wrong to justify your opinion with theirs.
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I only asked you for one link, because I thought it wasn't true. You cant find it. No problem.


Peyroteo said:
First, there are plenty of neutral people who say Ronaldo is better. Second, that doesn't matter at all. Third, you started the argument, not me. You said this:

"And I think you will have very a hard time in finding neutral pundits or old players who think ronaldo is better. Maybe someone in England where they rate physicality higher, but other than that ive never heard or read it."

Which is not only obviously bullshit. It's also one of the stupidest and most moronic argumentations I've ever seen. You're actually relying on players' quotes to argue a player's quality. Surely you have to see how bad this is. I showed you players' quotes to show you you're wrong but it doesn't even matter if you're wrong or right about what players say about Messi and Ronaldo. You're still unbelievably wrong to take any sort of conclusion from those quotes.

What you're doing is not defending your initial point that's the whole thing we're arguing about but starting discussions on irrelevant things. I'm done with this thread, I'll let Cal? do his job alone because being here and prefering Cristiano over Messi is unbearable.
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No you are misinterpreting me. I am not using the stance of pundits and old players to argue the quality of the players. I am using it to help determine what the neutral stance is on the matter.

Lastly Isn't it all relatively irrelevant. I have argued quite nice with you, havent insulted you or your arguments. Just disagreed with almost everything you said haha. But it isn't that bad, isn't that part of what we are here for. I think its fun, its a Nice distration from my studiying.
 
Peyroteo said:
For me an 'all round player' is a player that's at least average in most atributes. A player that can pass, dribble, head the ball, score, has good ball retention, can tackle, fast, strong, etc.. I associate that more with Ronaldo than with Messi. Perhaps due to his superior athleticism and I consider him to be a more versatile player. But like I said I don't think it matters really and I agree with most of what you said
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Dude, your argument is as poor as it can be. Messi is not only average in those atributes, he has them all, and is unparalelled in some like dribbling, passing, vision and goalscoring. Ronaldo is just great on goalscoring. It's a nosense.
 
In the past 3 or 4 seasons, Cristiano hasn't been a better all-rounded player than Messi. Maybe once upon a time when he was with us, you could make an argument for that. But nowadays, it is not really true
 
Is this still an argument? Ronaldo is great. One of the best of all time. But Messi is just on another level.

And it's not just Ronaldo. If Zidane had played in the same era with Messi, I'd be saying the same thing with equal amount of conviction.

Hell, the fact that someone like Iniesta has pretty much slipped under the radar in terms of winning Ballon D'ors since the arrival of Messi speaks volumes.
 
For me Messi is the best player ever and is so by quite a gap.

Ronaldo is a better goalscorer.
One more thing that he has over Messi is that he played in another league (BPL) and dominated which I think deserves alot of credit. That isn't to say Messi wouldn't do the same...
 
IFC 1905 said:
Dude, your argument is as poor as it can be. Messi is not only average in those atributes, he has them all, and is unparalelled in some like dribbling, passing, vision and goalscoring. Ronaldo is just great on goalscoring. It's a nosense.
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I don't mean in the present. I mean throughout their careers. Messi's jumping is poor as is his defensive contribution, his shooting from over 30 yards or his defensive work in Set pieces. I'm saying this for the third time, it doesn't even matter. I was only arguing the definition of it not that one is better than the other. I even specified that the first Time I said it because I really didn't want this boring and meaningless discussion to happen. You can trade Pogba and Iniesta for Ronaldo and Messi if you want to. Not sure how you can call my argument poor when you clearly haven't even understood it
 
Now we are counting quotes to decide who's better? :lol:
 
Peyroteo said:
I don't mean in the present. I mean throughout their careers. Messi's jumping is poor as is his defensive contribution, his shooting from over 30 yards or his defensive work in Set pieces. I'm saying this for the third time, it doesn't even matter. I was only arguing the definition of it not that one is better than the other. I even specified that the first Time I said it because I really didn't want this boring and meaningless discussion to happen. You can trade Pogba and Iniesta for Ronaldo and Messi if you want to. Not sure how you can call my argument poor when you clearly haven't even understood it
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It's a bit of pointless really. Both are great players but Messi is more of a complete player. Ronaldo has only been a finisher for a long time now, even when he could still contribute in other ways he preferred to keep his stats high. And it's been a smart move, otherwise he wouldn't compete against Messi at all.

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Now we are counting quotes to decide who's better? :lol:
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Didn't know we still had to decide :confused:
 
Anyone who watches both of them will be able to tell you there is a clear gap and Messi being superior
 
If you take away Messi's goals he is still an incredible player capable of things no other player can do. If you take away Ronaldo's goals....

All Ronaldo has is his goal record yet Messi's is as good.
 
So I was thinking about this the other day, and I'm wondering if some Real Madrid fans could chip in:
Would Real fans consider Ronaldo to be their best player of all time?

The reason I ask is because Messi is undoutably Barcelona's best; his rise ushered in their greatest period of success by a distance. But by Real's insanely high standards, has Ronaldo done the same? They've only one a single La Liga since he arrived (although that may soon be two), and while he has won two Champions Leagues with them, its not unrealistic to think they would expect more given Ronaldo's talent and the strength of the team overall in the last 5 or so years. More to the point, they have players that would seriously compete with him as their best: Zidane, Di Stefano, Raul, Puskas. What do people think?
 
IFC 1905 said:
Di Stefano is hands down the bes player in Madrid's history.

Ronaldo didn't even dominate La Liga with Madrid.
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Did Di Stefano have a Messi like rival who was the best player of all time at that time ? If not then the comparison seems a bit off. In terms of individual numbers (goals) Ronaldo is well beyond him now and still has better than a goal a game at Madrid.
 
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