Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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It's actually true, his dribbling and speed come close, but he has no where near the finishing and end product. Also less magical but still excellent.
Ronaldo IMO is faster and a better dribbler, but what comes across here is his power, his strenght which is something else compared to Neymar's. Not to mention the ability to finish.
In termns of generating damage out of nowhere R9 is miles ahead of Neymar.
Dont think he is that much faster or was that better in his dribbling, one difference is that Neymar creates for others, whilst Ronaldo created for himself. There have been matches where Neymar was even more dangerous than Messi himself, however he isnt really a scorer for Barca so it goes unnoticed.
That's the only difference? Most people consider prime Ronaldo as up there among the greatest players to have played the game and better than C.Ronaldo. The only difference between that player and Neymar is creating for others vs creating for themselves? Either you're overrating Neymar, or playing down Ronaldo to big up the other Ronaldo.
I think Neymar is getting underrated by some on here. If Messi weren't around then I think he'd score far more than he does now which is hardly a poor return anyway.
Current Real team with CR7 and Benzema score, I think, more than if you swapped them for R9 and a winger of similar quality to Benzema, De Bruyne perhaps.
Current Real team with CR7 and Benzema score, I think, more than if you swapped them for R9 and a winger of similar quality to Benzema, De Bruyne perhaps.
One doesnt mean the same as only pal.
Sure. Lots of differences then I assume. Neymar is great but consensus on prime fat Ronaldo seems to be that he was on a different level altogether. Neymar is still young though.
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True, prefer Messi to both of them though.
R9 was insanely strong and could play as a CF. No other player today can play CF as well as R9 and Suarez is probably the closest with the way he uses his body. R9 is probably the most explosive forward I have ever seen. R9 was also a great passer which he showed at Inter but at Barcelona and then Real Madrid he played more as a #9 rather than a #9.5. As great as Neymar is he is just not as good as R9 was technically better in every area. The only area Neymar surpasses R9 is free kicks.
Pretty unecessary.
Not quite a pic, but Kroos was just giving him a look which seemed to suggest Leo's on another planet.
Maybe so, doesn't make yours any more necessary though ^.^, I'm sure i'll figure out what is necessary and unnecessary in good time, although you weren't needed, thanks!
I agree, but it isnt too far steetched to say Neymar's speed and control comes close to R9's, which was the claim a poster made.
It really is.
I notice these days people don't really interject very often regarding Ronaldo, so statements like this Neymar one get let out and aren't met with the vociferous rebuttals they once would have been.
I really like Neymar, but if he is being compared to the Ronaldo of Barca or Inter, before the knees blew, there's nothing he is par at or can do better on a football pitch. Someone said free kicks earlier, but even that is questionable as Inter Ronaldo was looking class at those, too.
It isnt, the claim was that Neymar's speed en control comes close, nothing more, nothing less. He didnt day Neymar is around R9's level, you guys talk of R9 as some God who can never be rivalled in any attribute and aspect. R9 is probably the best striker ever and Neymar nowhere near as good, however Neymar too has outstanding speed and close control, when he has the ball, he is also very explosive and just dazzles through defences, theres nothing wrong with that claim. It comes close, no one said he rivalled or bettered it.
Most people certainly do not.
Most people certainly do not.
You aren't most people, you have undying loyalty to CR7. If you take the absolute peak R9 is greater than CR7, longevity it's probably the other way around though.
It doesn't come close though. The difference between them is sizeable. I don't know about "God" but peak Ronaldo's attributes are the pinnacle, or extremely close to it in a multitude of facets, so it's no surprise he is often used as a barometer.
I agree he's the pinnacle of a striker (bar Messi who's even better). He was so great becausw he had multiple things that were of extreme level, doesnt mean that singular attributes cant be neared. Im not sure how much you've seen of Neymar but he too is devastating when he gets going. Gets to show it less at Barca than Brazil, mind
I'm not pretending to be most people, but I can assure you "most" people do not think that.
A quick search for "best footballer ever" and none of those top links show Luiz Ronaldo ahead of Cristiano.
Why, would you say, do pretty much all those lists have Messi above Cristiano Ronaldo?
Because more people think that, doesn't mean they're right.
You have lots to figure out it seems.
When more people think things, don't we usually use that to decide things?
It's mostly some United fans and Real fans who argue that Ronaldo might be better. Most can clearly see what you are saying. An example is how Ronaldo is usually measured against Messi as in who is better. Messi is measured against Maradona and Pele. As you say, Messi has something different entirely. The only way this would have been a debate between the two is if Messi produced half the numbers Ronaldo does because then it would be a legitimate argument of flair vs efficiency, beauty vs pragmatism, etc ... But since the little genius is producing the stats he is, he is making the media's job difficult to maintain the narrative that the two are close.
He reminds me in that sense of RvN back when he was with us. Yes there were other factors such as the development of Rooney and Ronaldo and the introduction of Carrick, Evra and Vidic but not having a traditional poacher has definitely made the team more dynamic and harder to defend against. It's difficult to judge however whether Real would have functioned better without Cristiano as it's difficult to produce a 100+ goals in any era or league.
Learn to let things go bud, happened hours ago.
Most people certainly do not.
Where's the evidence (of a clear consensus) either way?
I think the point of Ronaldo vs C.Ronaldo is that the peak of Ronaldo is better than the peak of C.Ronaldo, but, and here is the big but, C.Ronaldo is the better player, obviously, because he has maintained an inhuman level for a decade, whereas Ronaldo managed it for a few years before his knees imploded.
I don't think it's a slight on C.Ronaldo to say that Ronaldo at his peak was better. He was literally everything C.Ronaldo was, and more. He was faster. He was better on the ball. He had better vision. He had probably better goal scoring instincts, but his peak was fleeting, C.Ronaldos peak has been a decade. So in the end, C.Ronaldo pretty much has to be on everyone's top 3-4 list, and Ronaldo is on everyones, what-could-have-been list.
I have never tried to argue that it's a majority opinion, merely MY OPINION!
In fact I normally only argue against those who think of opinions as facts.
As has been pointed out many times, if L Ronaldo's peak is all that, how is it he was outscored by the likes of Bierhoff?
Of course there are plenty of neutrals who favour Ronaldo. Nothing can be absolute which is why my post started with "most". Throughout the past 10 years, any time there was a poll, or people in football asked about their opinion, the only variable seemed to be if Messi is having a good season or not because if he was, there was no debate. Of course that doesn't make it right or a fact or anything, how could such a thing ever be? But again, my point is, the general consensus is that Messi is something else entirely who at his best is incomparable to anyone today.
I agree with your second point and I have been talking up that point myself. Ronaldo was far from the poacher machine he is nowadays. His best years for me were from 2007 to around 2012 where he would take 2 players out of the game out of pure fear. If he had the ball, you knew he could easily beat players and create out of thing disorganising defences and creating havoc. After that however, he made a choice either through his obsession with numbers or as an anticipation to physical decline, I have no idea. But he most definitely became more like a RvN than some of his fans would like to believe. He contributed less to the attacks and his main weapon has been positioning, finding space and finishing which still makes him obviously one of the best players in the world but more like a RvN or a Batistuta, great but not worthy of an all time discussion. Having said that, considering his entire career and when you take into account, his consistency and ability to fulfil so many roles, he most definitely IS one of the best ever, just not his past 3 years.
He's one of the 10 best there's ever been.
Messi is at least one of the 3 best there's ever been. And for me, the best.
Messi is at least one of the 3 best there's ever been. And for me, the best.
Ronaldo never went passed 4, 5 or 6 players. That is just overstating things. He never was such a player. He maybe once went past 3 players on a counter attack against fulham, but even that was very rare.
I was reading an old topic about Messi that somebody dug out on here and United fans were already saying how Ronaldo changed his game in 2007/2008. And I think that is right. Some people like to make it seem his change is fairly recent, but it isn't. And Ronaldo did have some flair, if you think doing tricks is having flair, but the point is Ronaldo never was nowhere near to being as close to Messi's peak in dribbling, creativity and passing. And that is were the big difference is and people say he is more about efficiency.
And I think you will have very a hard time in finding neutral pundits or old players who think ronaldo is better. Maybe someone in England where they rate physicality higher, but other than that ive never heard or read it.
Being more wary of one player over another does not necessarily equate to being better.
Messi's playing style determines that a large group of players will be culpable for the goals scored or created against them by Messi as his dribbles and passes usually beat 4-5 players in one piece of play. While Cristiano is mostly marked by one player in a game. So naturally he will be more afraid if Cristiano is on hand for the finish.
Footballers who said Messi is the best player of all times
- Lampard
- David Silva
- Marco Reus
- Ronaldo Fenomeno
- Rooney
- Gerrard
- Cassano
- Gundogan
- David Luiz
- Michael Owen
- Hazard
- Vitolo
- Ander Herrera
- Schurrle
- Thorgan Hazard
- Benedikt Höwedes
to name a few, who hasn't played with Messi.
- Lampard
- David Silva
- Marco Reus
- Ronaldo Fenomeno
- Rooney
- Gerrard
- Cassano
- Gundogan
- David Luiz
- Michael Owen
- Hazard
- Vitolo
- Ander Herrera
- Schurrle
- Thorgan Hazard
- Benedikt Höwedes
to name a few, who hasn't played with Messi.
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