11 remains my favorite Ronaldo goal. Flying through defenders like Air fecking Jordan to head the ball home.
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11 remains my favorite Ronaldo goal. Flying through defenders like Air fecking Jordan to head the ball home.
Messi probably has better season overall, but Ronaldo seems stepping up more in the important stages, and Real seem favorites to win more trophies than Barca, and looks like Ronaldo is going to be the hero again.
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100% this
Not even true mate. Ive seen Gerrard call Messi the beste of all time numerous times.
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.spo...stiano-ronaldo-messi-greatest-player-all-time
Messi will always be better than him but he will always score goals.
Absolutely understand it.
Just because I have a username of my favourite player and post his goal updates, it doesn't mean I'm blinded by his performances only. I'm a very objective person. You may notice that I don't actually engage in many of the arguments in the Ronny or Messi threads. I just post a stat, goal, fact and move on. In fact, in similar fashion, I frequently post facts in Messi threads along the same lines of praising his genius.
Bottom line is they're the 2 best ever in my eyes and I have no complaints over anyone picking either. I'm just grateful I've seen both play live lots of times, had a season ticket for united with Ronny and have seen them play each other in the same game.
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Ronaldo is truly an incredible goalscorer. It seems to be seen as a negative by some but it's a great attribute to have.
That said, I have to ask all the Ronaldo fanboys out here... Is it not blatantly obvious that there's gigantic gap between the passing and dribbling abilities of Messi and Ronaldo while thereis a minimal if any gap in terms of their scoring?
It just seems so obvious to me. Maybe I'm the one being deluded???
That said, I have to ask all the Ronaldo fanboys out here... Is it not blatantly obvious that there's gigantic gap between the passing and dribbling abilities of Messi and Ronaldo while thereis a minimal if any gap in terms of their scoring?
It just seems so obvious to me. Maybe I'm the one being deluded???
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Nah it's obvious when you watch them play.
Pretty much, majority on here have the same view.
I can't phantom how you can come to the conclusion, that the notion to suggest that Messi is the more complete player is silly. I would argue it's more the otherway around than any.
Even by your own norms Messi would be the more complete player. He is better than Ronaldo at attacking( I take it you mean creating chances etc) and dictating the tempo by quite a large margin. Goalscoring and defending you could argue could go eitherway. I do agree that Ronaldo has a better workrate.
Bu for me it's simple to see. Messi is arguably the best playmaker and the best goalscorer in the world. He could play problably play every position in midfield and attack and be the best. And he is the best dribbler, finisher, passer and most creative player in the world. Ronaldo simply can't match this.
He's a great! His general play might be average but one of the best and most consistent finishers the game has ever had. For me, Messi is in a different league. This Barcelona would be average without him, but Ronaldo is so great at what he does, 5 goals against Bayern and Neuer is absolutely insane.
That is quite the margin O.o
Why are people talking about Ronaldo having goals in his favour this year when Messi has actually scored more goals? 
No doubt there is, but then they are completely different player for me to even start comparing on the same metric apart from core goalscoring. Messi has actively been the primary playmaker in his team over the last few years, of course that's because he's that capable but that's the role he has, Ronaldo moved away from any creative duties long, long ago and plays as the primary goal scorer in his team. They both simply get goals and decide games after games through their own ways. The discussion really breaks at that point for me. Add to that a lot of Ronaldo's strengths aren't exactly as easy to gauge during a game as Messi's, e.g. I've never seen anyone better in terms of movement, positioning and probing a defense off the ball. That may seem something ordinary at times but it's literally impossible to mark. Add to that the physicality, pace and athleticism it makes sense why he's that incredible a goal scorer. Even in his current state where his dribbling has gone down a lot you can never leave him alone wherever he is on the pitch, specially given his game is about the end product and nothing can hurt a team more than conceding a goal. He has twice the amount of goals in QFs, SFs and Finals of CL compared to Messi (32 to 16), and that's a massive, massive weapon to have. What matters really to me is that he's managed to make a case for himself being greater than anyone else who has played the game for certain combinations of attributes, and there are a lot of instances where I won't pick anyone ahead of him in the role he plays at his best providing what he provides.
Messi will always be the better player, but my respect for Ronaldo has grown since he's lost his physical powers and my love for him has returned.. to do that yesterday against a top side, under pressure, he's not at his best.. tremendous.
I think he's possibly made my top 10 of all time and I never thought I'd say that.
I think he's possibly made my top 10 of all time and I never thought I'd say that.
Perfect answer, I wish everyone could just have that stance.
I went to a Barca v Madrid game a few years back, neither really stood out too much (messi had an assist and CR a goal) but was great to see them both live on the same pitch, and you may hate me for this but I got to shake Ronaldo's hand at the airport after the game
Two of the best ever players, nobody is even close to them in world football and I doubt their goal records will ever be matched.
It's subjective to claim one player to be the greatest of all time but we're watching history here, when both men are retired I'm sure the likes of Maradona or even Pele won't even enter the conversation.
It's subjective to claim one player to be the greatest of all time but we're watching history here, when both men are retired I'm sure the likes of Maradona or even Pele won't even enter the conversation.
Mbappé is on more goals than Messi when Messi was Mbappe's age. Not saying Mbappe will equal Messi but the kid has been sensational so far and is probably the best talent at the moment.
Yeah he's got to keep that type of form up for the next 12-13 years to even stand a chance, he's also got to rise to a level that can net 50-60 goals a season, something hardly anybody can do.
No doubt Mbappe is a talent though, easily one of the best young players at the moment.
Perfect answer, I wish everyone could just have that stance.
I went to a Barca v Madrid game a few years back, neither really stood out too much (messi had an assist and CR a goal) but was great to see them both live on the same pitch, and you may hate me for this but I got to shake Ronaldo's hand at the airport after the game
Lucky sod.
I also find it genuinely funny when people have a pop or make remarks about fanboy status. @AndyJ1985 made a great 1 liner last night tbf (and many others have too) and from the outside looking in, he's absolutely right but behind it it's a completely different story as referenced in my last post here.
Even then, Ronaldo has three more assists!
When you look at chance creation, key passes, Messi's numbers doubles Ronaldo's. Its much easier to get an assist when already in the final third and all you have to do is to square the ball etc, Messi gets the team in the final third by his dribbles/passes through the lines, creating space. But thats difficult to measure. Similar to how Rooney gets quite soms assists most seasons, he isnt some great playmaker but more good decision making in the final third.
I've always thought Ronaldo is the better player. History will probably pin Messi as the best and i think numbers support this but for me Ronaldo is a more complete player.
But how is Ronaldo more complete? Messi has better playmaking, better vision, better dribbling, a very decent heading technique (look up his header goals) and his finishing is as good as Ronaldo, hell Messi holds the record for most goals in a season and calendar year. Messi's long-range shooting is also as good as Ronaldo's, hell Messi is even scoring more freekicks than Ronaldo for quite a while now as well.
I mean he's a better athlete. His physical attributes are amazing.
And that makes Ronaldo a more complete player to you despite Messi being as good as or better in almost everything football-wise?
This, Ronaldo is a more complete FIFA- player at best.
This is quite a common argument but I fail to see why it's relevant to the question of who is the better footballer.
Right now, Messi by a good margin. When Ronaldo was in his prime (2008-2014), it was quite close.
Ronaldo has been hurt more by physical decline than Messi IMO. He is still an excellent goal poacher, but he's no longer the machine that used to tear it down the wings.
Messi is the best player I've ever seen.
Ronaldo has been hurt more by physical decline than Messi IMO. He is still an excellent goal poacher, but he's no longer the machine that used to tear it down the wings.
Messi is the best player I've ever seen.
Better athlete perhaps - better player though? Messi is the most naturally gifted footballer I have ever seen and by a fair distance.
Basically, Ronaldo's in a class of his own in terms of CL goals and assists over the last 5 seasons. Messi's not even close. Tbh, I didn't expect that at all.
For all his playmaking skills Messi has less assists in the CL than Ronaldo. Let that sink in for a moment. It's not like Ronaldo plays with more prolific forwards. If anything, Suarez and Neymar shit on Benzema and Bale. Yet Ronaldo has more assists in the CL. Amaizing.
Im surprised to see Lewandowski in that list.
Messi is simply better and more complete player, both at his peak and now. for me, difference between them isn't as big as it used to be, but it's still clear. it's like comparing prime Djokovic and prime Federer.
Yep, what happens when that fades and your slower? His game heavily relies on that
Shamelessly stolen from Sly's post in another thread:
Goals in quarters, semis and finals in the CL:
Ronaldo 32, Messi 16.
Huge difference, tbh.
Goals in quarters, semis and finals in the CL:
Ronaldo 32, Messi 16.
Huge difference, tbh.
Like I've said many times, I can respect people have the opinion that Messi is the better player (we can just agree to disagree).
It's the Messi brigade who think of their OPINIONS as FACTS that I've a problem with.
4. Ovebro, if it wasn't for his gross incompetence at Stamford Bridge, Barca wouldn't even be in Rome.
If this season's Messi is what he is when he looks disinterested, no wonder he's the GOAT
I think Ronaldo is more flexible and versatile people give him credit for, he also can fulfill many attacking roles and has his fair share of assists he's taller, better at headers and can shoot with both legs. He has also thrived in different leagues, different teams and has also performed very good for his country along all this years so for that I think he should also be considered a multifaceted and versatile forward that has proved to be successful and deliver into a series of very different circumstances along his career.
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