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Womp said:
Yes because what I said was so outlandish, I'm sorry I hurt your feeling by insulting your idol. :lol:
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Of course it was outlandish, you can keep trying to downplay his records and performances but it just makes you seek a bit bitter towards a certain player.
 
@Cal? @SirAF @FC Ronaldo

Genuine question.

I prefer Messi but I do understand why some people, yourselves included, believe Ronaldo to be better.

Are any of you able to understand why messi is revered as being the greatest of all time, given his accomplishments? Or are you so convinced Ronaldo is the best that you refuse to acknowledge messi's claim?
 
Jaybomb said:
I wouldn't say we "replaced" them with those guys. Berbatov was Tevez's replacement and Nani was Ronaldo's.

It was a massive blow to lose them both in the same window and although we won the league twice after that, it showed a complete lack of ambition in my eyes. If we want to be the best in the world, we need to keep a hold of our best players. I would say our only "world class" signings since have been RVP, Zlatan, Pogba and De Gea.
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Yeah our transfer strategy was pretty poor and it's cost us in the long term. Selling Ronaldo was fine as long as we paid the sort of money the likes of Hazard's agents demanded.
 
wr8_utd said:
Yeah our transfer strategy was pretty poor and it's cost us in the long term. Selling Ronaldo was fine as long as we paid the sort of money the likes of Hazard's agents demanded.
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I remember at the time people thought Kagawa was the better signing. I thought it was madness.
 
Ronaldo does seem to want it more tbh. Messi can be so fecking casual at times.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Of course it was outlandish, you can keep trying to downplay his records and performances but it just makes you seek a bit bitter towards a certain player.
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How am I downplaying his records? I don't need to talk rubbish and ignore facts because it's Ronaldo, the same way I wouldn't if it was Messi. He wasn't their best player throughout the tournament and did have a terrible performance against Poland, which had it been against a more capable side, would have been costly, he didn't even play in the final. Saying he was 'immense' is laughable, he was as I said, their 4th best player imo, behind Nani, Sanches and Pepe.

That's not taking away anything from him as a player, he's still in the top two of this generation. Am I supposed to turn a blind eye to when they're shite just because they're Ronaldo and Messi? :lol:

Why would I be bitter to Ronaldo? He was a legend for us and won us a CL, I love Ronaldo, I just think Messi is better, could understand why people would disagree though. That doesn't mean I have to pretend everything they do is immaculate.
 
Jaybomb said:
I've never read so much rubbish in my life. Yes Rooney and Tevez were hard working and great players in their own right but you are completely undermining Ronaldo's contributions and achievements here.

Where would Rooney and Tevez be without Ronaldo? I doubt they would be Champions League winners. Also Ronaldo went onto win 4 Ballon d'Ors since.

There's no question about it. We stopped being the worlds best team as soon as Cristiano was sold.
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If I'm undermining your boyfriend's talents, you are underrating the system that was built around him.

Where would they be without him? Where they are right now; winding down on two great careers. Barcelona are the reason why all three off them lost 5 finals between them.

There are lots of factors behind the decline:

  1. Failure to replace Ronaldo and Tevez right away; Valencia did a good job in his own way.
  2. The emergence of Barcelona and Messi under Pep
  3. Rio became injury prone and Vidić was finished after his injury in 2011.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Such a clutch player.
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Can everyone stop saying this.

AdnanRED said:
I've got 2 cousins who are Arsenal fans as well as a bunch of different colleagues at work who are chelsea, spurs fans etc (only liverpool wont say it lol) just because some people are not on a football forum doesnt mean rating Ronaldo higher than Messi is just Utd or Real fans.
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'People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis - you can't trust people'

Honestly, I have no idea how anyone can think Ronaldo has been better than Messi this year.
 
mancan92 said:
Its in no doubt who between the two has been more clutch and has performed better in the big matches over the last few years.
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Last season Ronaldo didn't score in the CL vs Atleti, City and PSG. These are the only opponents they faced who weren't rubbish. Both he and Messi have tailed off a bit in big games.
 
Womp said:
Ronaldo was arguably their 4th best player behind Nani, Sanches, Pepe. He had some dire performances in the lead up, in that Poland game he missed about 50 sitters and was getting dispossessed constantly, was painful to watch. Was just an example that both have been very underwhelming in crunch games at times over the past few years.
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3 goals and 3 assists. All important. In fact, vital. He basically got them out of a hole against Hungary and undid a very decent Wales unit.

Sanches was and continues to be a myth, to be honest.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
3 goals and 3 assists. All important. In fact, vital. He basically got them out of a hole against Hungary and undid a very decent Wales unit.

Sanches was and continues to be a myth, to be honest.
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Sanches might be a myth but he really was pretty good at the Euros. It felt like we missed out at that point.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
3 goals and 3 assists. All important. In fact, vital. He basically got them out of a hole against Hungary and undid a very decent Wales unit.

Sanches was and continues to be a myth, to be honest.
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If it wasn't for Nani's goal in that 1-1 win (?) they wouldn't have even made it to the next stage of the tournament, so I don't see your point.
 
Womp said:
Ronaldo was arguably their 4th best player behind Nani, Sanches, Pepe. He had some dire performances in the lead up, in that Poland game he missed about 50 sitters and was getting dispossessed constantly, was painful to watch. Was just an example that both have been very underwhelming in crunch games at times over the past few years.
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Yet, without Ronaldo's brace in the group stage against Hungary, they would not have qualified for the knock-out stage. He was very decent @Euro 2016.
 
OL29 said:
This just seems like another attemp to detract from Ronaldo, do you think the worlds best teams are naive enough to leave Ronaldo to his devices? The reason he finds space is because of his excellent movement.
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VanGaalEra said:
Perhaps Ronaldo is just harder to mark considering his off the ball movement is incredible.
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Yes, that's my point. Messi off the ball and positioning is just as good as Ronaldo hence he can match him in terms of goal, but Messi is also a dangerous playmaker and brings a lot more attacking options to his team hence he gets marked by more players.

My response was too people who were speaking by Messi performance in the last two CL, not to distract or hit out towards Ronaldo, but as I said it's easier to be marked out of the game by 2-3 players then one.
 
wr8_utd said:
That had as much to do with our poor reinvestment of the money as anything else. We got to another CL final even without him.
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We suffered more in the central midfield than replacing Ronaldo(forward player). Chicharito, Rooney, Nani, etc still got us to another final but our poor midfield hampered us.
 
Son Of Sam said:
Yet, without Ronaldo's brace in the group stage against Hungary, they would not have qualified for the knock-out stage. He was very decent @Euro 2016.
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Never said he was shite over the whole tournament, as I've already clarified on, he wasn't 'immense' nor was he even their best player. Sanches, fair enough could be argued, but Pepe and Nani were superior over the whole tournament to him. I can't remember what match it was, but Nani's goal in a particular game qualified them for the next round too, did it not?
 
wr8_utd said:
Last season Ronaldo didn't score in the CL vs Atleti, City and PSG. These are the only opponents they faced who weren't rubbish. Both he and Messi have tailed off a bit in big games.
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Come on don't pretend to not understand the point. Look back at the last few years and see who has made the difference in the big matches. Last season if it wasn't for Ronaldo's monster game against wolfsburg Real wouldn't have even got to the CL final. I just don't see the point in pretending he hasn't performed better in the big games. Messi is a more consistent player overall but you can't argue Ronalo hasn't stepped up when needed a way Messi hasn't in recent times.
 
Womp said:
If it wasn't for Nani's goal in that 1-1 win (?) they wouldn't have even made it to the next stage of the tournament, so I don't see your point.
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So everything after that goal is irrelevant? They were out until he showed up against Hungary. They reached the final because of his display against Wales.

No player is going to put in a 9/10 in every tournament game. He had two outstanding games and played a big part in the winner vs Croatia (Nani finds his intelligent run to the far post and he puts in a good shot come cross for the winner.
 
mancan92 said:
Come on don't pretend to not understand the point. Look back at the last few years and see who has made the difference in the big matches. Last season if it wasn't for Ronaldo's monster game against wolfsburg Real wouldn't have even got to the CL final. I just don't see the point in pretending he hasn't performed better in the big games. Messi is a more consistent player overall but you can't argue Ronalo hasn't stepped up when needed a way Messi hasn't in recent times.
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I'm just saying both have been underwhelming compared to their usual standards.
 
wr8_utd said:
Sanches might be a myth but he really was pretty good at the Euros. It felt like we missed out at that point.
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Don't get me wrong, he had very good game against Poland. But he wasn't that impressive overall. Certainly not worth the hype. It's not like this was Rooney at Euro 2004 good.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
So everything after that goal is irrelevant? They were out until he showed up against Hungary. They reached the final because of his display against Wales.

No player is going to put in a 9/10 in every tournament game. He had two outstanding games and played a big part in the winner vs Croatia (Nani finds his intelligent run to the far post and he puts in a good shot come cross for the winner.
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I'd like you to show me where I said anything even similar to that. You are giving me examples of 2 matches out of the what, 30 games Portugal played in the tournament? That's hardly an 'immense' tournament pal. Nani and Pepe were better overall throughout the tournament, that doesn't have to be a slight on Ronaldo.

He was great against Hungary and Wales, fair enough, but he was equally wank against Poland. Had it not been for that goal by Nani against Iceland (I found it :p) They wouldn't have even qualified for the next round. We are talking about Ronaldo and Messi here, 2 influential matches in a tournament with nearly 30 matches for a player of his calibre isn't a good tournament.

Also, stats mean very little, fecking Giroud matched Ronaldo for stats.
 
Womp said:
I'd like you to show me where I said anything even similar to that. You are giving me examples of 2 matches out of the what, 30 games Portugal played in the tournament? That's hardly an 'immense' tournament pal. Nani and Pepe were better overall throughout the tournament, you're just speaking in circles.

He was great against Hungary and Wales, fair enough, but he was equally wank against Poland. Had it not been for that goal by Nani against Iceland (I found it :P) They wouldn't have even qualified for the next round. We are talking about Ronaldo and Messi here, 2 influential matches in a tournament with nearly 30 matches for a player of his calibre isn't a good tournament.
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They played in 7 games. Two MOTM performances and a match winning contribution in another.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
They played in 7 games. Two MOTM performances and a match winning contribution in another.
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Feck, I don't know why I wrote 30 :lol: Sorry, sleep deprived. I'll try reply to you once I'm more awake

It's simple, this is arguably the best or second best player of our generation, he was matched for productivity by the likes of Giroud and his compatriot Nani who many on here have ridiculed to death. You keep talking about the Hungary and Wales matches, which is fine, but I've already said many a time, I'm not talking about all matches. He was underwhelming in the group stages for the most part, in which Nani was there best player and he did well in the knock-out rounds (where he didn't even play in the final)

What Griezmann had was a "good tournament", not Ronaldo, especially not by his standards

If that is a good tournament for Ronaldo's standards, then I probably rate him higher as a player than his die-hard fans on here seem to, because I expect better from someone of his ability.

Edit: in my sleep deprived state, I also counted qualifiers amongst others. :lol:
 
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wr8_utd said:
Last season Ronaldo didn't score in the CL vs Atleti, City and PSG.
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He scored a freaking hat-trick against Atlético in the league and against Barcelona and several other teams, while Messi just scored against Atlético; he had a long run of not scoring and losing against them and he hasn't scored against Real Madrid in a while. Not to mentioned Ronaldo also scored a hat-trick in quarter finals of UCL and also was the best scorer for Portugal in the euro they won. But you might be right, Ronaldo only scores against dross teams like Barcelona.
 
Ronaldo seems to be slowing down with age but looks like he's applying himself. Messi, looks like his head isn't in it at times. To me it seems like Messi hasn't been the same since the stuff with his dad happened and him potentially going to prison.
 
As for the debate I think Cristiano Ronaldo is starting to take off towards the most important part of the season and as a forward I think he is still very complete and much more than a poacher. Messi has other qualities that make him could make him play very good if he was a midfielder in charge of serving balls but still I think is silly to call him more complete than Ronaldo because that isn't true as there are several things in which Ronaldo is better and viceversa, they just have different attributes. A total complete footballer would be someone who is good at attacking, scoring goals, dictate the tempo in midfield and aslo a good defender and it's not like Messi is precissely revered for his work rate and becomes absent as well in several games when his team is playing shit.

I also don't agree with people now telling Real Madrid has a better team and thus why Ronaldo is getting carried by them, when in the past Barcelona has had very good season but when that was the case the narrative wasn't that Messi was getting carried by them. So the fact that Real Madrid is doing better in both league and UCL shouldn't be used to downplay Ronaldo but it should be more a testament of him having a good season and being a contributor and positive influence to his team.

All in all Real Madrid is having a better season than Barcelona in the two most important competitions their having; League and UCL. So this alone should give the edge to Ronaldo, or any other Real Madrid player, in this season. He (CR7) has also been playing very good for his team and is playing confederations cup, has also played World Cup of clubs and has his team advancing to semi finals in UCL all while Messi is getting banned and having yet another manager sacked from his nation, which on paper should be performing a lot better that Portugal but in reality is falling shorts to expectations.

Lastly I think it would had been great if Ronaldo was born argentinian, I'm sure they would have won a Copa América and even a World Cup with him on front instead of Agüero or Higuaín. I was watching this video of his goals in European competitions (before the second leg against Bayern) and just recalled how a good partnership he made with Di María, it's really impressive so if you add that Messi into that mix they would be unstoppable upfront. Ronaldo is a more reliable scorer than Higuaín and Agüero so I think that could take some pressure off Messi and he would even perform better with such a reliable partner as Cristiano Ronaldo.

 
Acheron said:
As for the debate I think Cristiano Ronaldo is starting to take off towards the most important part of the season and as a forward I think he is still very complete and much more than a poacher. Messi has other qualities that make him could make him play very good if he was a midfielder in charge of serving balls but still I think is silly to call him more complete than Ronaldo because that isn't true as there are several things in which Ronaldo is better and viceversa, they just have different attributes. A total complete footballer would be someone who is good at attacking, scoring goals, dictate the tempo in midfield and aslo a good defender and it's not like Messi is precissely revered for his work rate and becomes absent as well in several games when his team is playing shit.

I also don't agree with people now telling Real Madrid has a better team and thus why Ronaldo is getting carried by them, when in the past Barcelona has had very good season but when that was the case the narrative wasn't that Messi was getting carried by them. So the fact that Real Madrid is doing better in both league and UCL shouldn't be used to downplay Ronaldo but it should be more a testament of him having a good season and being a contributor and positive influence to his team.

All in all Real Madrid is having a better season than Barcelona in the two most important competitions their having; League and UCL. So this alone should give the edge to Ronaldo, or any other Real Madrid player, in this season. He (CR7) has also been playing very good for his team and is playing confederations cup, has also played World Cup of clubs and has his team advancing to semi finals in UCL all while Messi is getting banned and having yet another manager sacked from his nation, which on paper should be performing a lot better that Portugal but in reality is falling shorts to expectations.

Lastly I think it would had been great if Ronaldo was born argentinian, I'm sure they would have won a Copa América and even a World Cup with him on front instead of Agüero or Higuaín. I was watching this video of his goals in European competitions (before the second leg against Bayern) and just recalled how a good partnership he made with Di María, it's really impressive so if you add that Messi into that mix they would be unstoppable upfront. Ronaldo is a more reliable scorer than Higuaín and Agüero so I think that could take some pressure off Messi and he would even perform better with such a reliable partner as Cristiano Ronaldo.
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From what I see it seems that Ronaldo isn't the type of player who tries to force the issue as much anymore with dribbles. He was better in terms of skill, power and pace but Messi has him beat on ball control and dribbling. Messi also seems like the player who more tries to force the issue and make something happen for Suarez or Neymar.

I think at their peaks, Messi is the better player for me simply because if I had to choose one to go against my team then I'd choose Ronaldo. In Messi's best seasons he was basically unstoppable when he went on his runs and dribbles. He made one of the most 'renowned' defenders in Boateng his b*tch boy.
 
I don't understand why this thread is being bumped. Anyone that actually watched the game can't have come away with a different opinion to what they had before it. Ronaldo wasn't very good and yet came away with a hat trick. He's a goalscoring machine. Two of them were offside, admittedly. It isn't like this was a vintage performance for the ages. It wasn't. He was wasteful and greedy but ultimately won his side the match. If that's what floats your boat as to what makes a player the greatest or whatever then fair play.
 
I think there's no doubt right now that Messi is the better player.

Cristiano has had some incredible seasons where he has been the best but he's on the decline now. Numbers don't account for everything in football but for a player so obsessed and defined by them this year he's been pretty lacklustre.

That said it's partly down to the fact that Zidane persists with the BBC upfront which highlights the growing deficiencies in Ronaldo's game now he's getting older.

Play him up front or just off the striker and he'll continue banging them in even if his net contribution in a game goes down to nothing aside from the goal he'll inevitably score.
 
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