They're doing their best to try and keep him undoubtedly elevated as the number one of this generation.
Whether they like it or not, when history looks back they'll see that Ronaldo captained his country to international glory (for the first time in their history no less!) and that will set them apart.
Messi is great player, it's such a joy to watch him playing. But people are blinding themselves in order to denying Ronaldo. I am neutral, however i just read stupid posts like Messi is same level with Xavi as playmaker or Messi has Scholes's passing skills, he is assist machine etc, some may almost saying he can defend like Rio and some says Messi has more football brain. But you just can not find more football brain than someone who can scores +50 goals every season also can't combine every footballing skills in one player. Ronaldo, he defends very well in set pieces, man marks someone in almost every matches, assists a lot of important goals (just remember assist to Nani in Hungary match), covers 10km average etc .. just two seasons ago Messi was just walking around on the pitch for whole season, but people were still saying he is more team player etc .. Argentine lacked Messi's leadership in previous competitions. He wasn't there when team needs their best player in most important matches, same goes for Ronaldo in world cup 14. You can see good and bad things in both of them if you want, this year even Suarez was better than them in terms of playing football, But one got a big trophy with his national team, this year Ronaldo was far better than Messi with his Champions league trophy and European cup (dominated whole Europe), yes i know it was his teams were good and also i know he was most important part of his teams.
Messi is great player, it's such a joy to watch him playing. But people are blinding themselves in order to denying Ronaldo. I am neutral, however i just read stupid posts like Messi is same level with Xavi as playmaker or Messi has Scholes's passing skills, he is assist machine etc, some may almost saying he can defend like Rio and some says Messi has more football brain.
It's not stupid at all, because he just is. As insane as it sounds, but that's the point.
This compilation had it's own thread here, but I think it's appropriate to post it once more in these discussions, because it seems like it didn't quite rub off. All this footage is from last season only. It doesn't even include the Copa, which had many more plays of that calibre.
Long balls, short passes, through balls, chip balls, whatever you want, time and time again. Few players can execute passes with that perfection at all, and only a handful in football history had the full arsenal at their disposal the way Messi has. I can't imagine anyone ever playing them in that quantity & with that consistency. And in addition his goalscoring statistics are still close to Ronaldo's.
So I'm not out to belittle Ronaldo, who is an extraordinary player in his own right, but I think people have become so used to Messi's brilliance nowadays, that it tends to get overlooked. If any other player plays two or three of those balls in one game, his performance will be talked about for days, maybe weeks. With Messi it is simply to be expected, and the amount of praise he receives from many people suffers from that. (And those who do praise him are likely to be called "fanboys".) When the extraordinary happens regularly, people tend to underappreciate it.
Given that Messi plays with generally better players (at Barca and for Argentina), it is not something to sniff at.
I think Messi fans tend to overblow Messi's superiority whereas Ronaldo fans tend to completely reject it. Things are more complicated though. Messi's far better on the ball and far superior with his passing but Ronaldo is a far better athlete, two-footed and fantastic header of the ball, works much harder and has superior mentality.
Normally, Ronaldo runs way more than Messi, between 1,5 and 2,5 km per game. Over 50 games this amounts to 100 km! Huge difference in work rate that.
Messi is better, IMO, but not by that much. If Ronaldo retains the CL next season (very difficult but perfectly possible) and makes it 4:2 in terms of big tropheys since his move to Real, things won't be clear-cut at all. Football is not only about technique, it is about winning the biggest tropheys as well, if not in the first place.
Winning more big tropheys with generally lesser players is a huge point in favour of Ronaldo.
It's not stupid at all, because he just is. As insane as it sounds, but that's the point.
This compilation had it's own thread here, but I think it's appropriate to post it once more in these discussions, because it seems like it didn't quite rub off. All this footage is from last season only. It doesn't even include the Copa, which had many more plays of that calibre.
Long balls, short passes, through balls, chip balls, whatever you want, time and time again. Few players can execute passes with that perfection at all, and only a handful in football history had the full arsenal at their disposal the way Messi has. I can't imagine anyone ever playing them in that quantity & with that consistency. And in addition his goalscoring statistics are still close to Ronaldo's.
So I'm not out to belittle Ronaldo, who is an extraordinary player in his own right, but I think people have become so used to Messi's brilliance nowadays, that it tends to get overlooked. If any other player plays two or three of those balls in one game, his performance will be talked about for days, maybe weeks. With Messi it is simply to be expected, and the amount of praise he receives from many people suffers from that. (And those who do praise him are likely to be called "fanboys".) When the extraordinary happens regularly, people tend to underappreciate it.
So the contributions for the national team have been one of your main arguments in the last days, and when it comes it to a statistic you don't like, it miraculously disappears.
Given that Messi plays with generally better players (at Barca and for Argentina), it is not something to sniff at.
I think Messi fans tend to overblow Messi's superiority whereas Ronaldo fans tend to completely reject it. Things are more complicated though. Messi's far better on the ball and far superior with his passing but Ronaldo is a far better athlete, two-footed and fantastic header of the ball, works much harder and has superior mentality.
Normally, Ronaldo runs way more than Messi, between 1,5 and 2,5 km per game. Over 50 games this amounts to 100 km! Huge difference in work rate that.
Messi is better, IMO, but not by that much. If Ronaldo retains the CL next season (very difficult but perfectly possible) and makes it 4:2 in terms of big tropheys since his move to Real, things won't be clear-cut at all. Football is not only about technique, it is about winning the biggest tropheys as well, if not in the first place.
Winning more big tropheys with generally lesser players is a huge point in favour of Ronaldo.
Messi is a much better football player imo. If your going by talent and what they bring to a team. Assist rate and goal scoring makes him so unique. I don't think Ronaldo comes close in terms of creativity.
Also the Real Madrid team he plays in on par with Barcelona's. Madrid have better defenders imo and I will take Modric and Kroos over Rakitic and Busquetes.
Appreciate both players
You stil arguing whose better? It's subjective and either side will never convince the other one that one is better than the other.
So the contributions for the national team have been one of your main arguments in the last days, and when it comes it to a statistic you don't like, it miraculously disappears.
Appreciate both players
You stil arguing whose better? It's subjective and either side will never convince the other one that one is better than the other.
That I'm totally fine with. Like I said many times, I've no problem with people thinking Messi is better, only those who think it's a fact and insult people who disagree with them.
Nice attempt at trying to be funny, keep trying you'll get there.
In that case obviously you go to the equivalent in America. But Ronaldo has an international trophy, has won the CL with 2 clubs from different leagues and won every trophy in the English domestic competitions more than Messi.
Nice attempt at trying to be funny, keep trying you'll get there.
In that case obviously you go to the equivalent in America. But Ronaldo has an international trophy, has won the CL with 2 clubs from different leagues and won every trophy in the English domestic competitions more than Messi.
Why are you ignoring league titles? It's more difficult to win a competition over 38 games rather than a cup competition. Perfect example is the Euros, Portugal draw 6 games in normal time and won 1 game, this is relegation form in league format. Pre 2014 from when he signed for Madrid Ronaldo had a pathetic trophy record and this is a period when he was at his peak in club team full of world class players.
The opponents in those small comps were Sevilla, River Plate & Bilbao. When we count games against Levante, Gijón and Malmö, we might as well count them too.
Except when we want to manipulate statistics until they fit.
But I give up. You will continue trying to twist every fact and context, until the desired result is achieved. I'm not gonna waste my time with something like that.
@Cal? are you forgetting messi has the record for most goals in a calendar year ? If ever there was a record that backed up someone being a superior goalscorer ...
As a Ronaldo fan, it is perfectly understandable seeing how some people believe Messi is better but those that think Messi is some kind of God tier footballer way ahead of Ronaldo are fanboying (same would go to Ronaldo fans who think he is miles ahead of Messi)
As a Ronaldo fan, it is perfectly understandable seeing how some people believe Messi is better but those that think Messi is some kind of God tier footballer way ahead of Ronaldo are fanboying (same would go to Ronaldo fans who think he is miles ahead of Messi)
I pretty much have seen the same sort of post every couple of pages on this thread. Are we just going in circles in this debate? I mean if you're a full time RonaldovsMessi debater like Cal then fine, keep on but really this debate is just a bore. I personally would like a Quaresma vs Robinho thread
Nice attempt at trying to be funny, keep trying you'll get there.
In that case obviously you go to the equivalent in America. But Ronaldo has an international trophy, has won the CL with 2 clubs from different leagues and won every trophy in the English domestic competitions more than Messi.
Messi is a much better football player imo. If your going by talent and what they bring to a team. Assist rate and goal scoring makes him so unique. I don't think Ronaldo comes close in terms of creativity.
Also the Real Madrid team he plays in on par with Barcelona's. Madrid have better defenders imo and I will take Modric and Kroos over Rakitic and Busquetes.
This is typical for Messi fanboys on here and it is very annoying too: highlighting the qualities with regard to which Messi is superior and neglecting all aspects of the game where Ronaldo comes on top. Football is not only about technique, it is also about working hard, running further, jumping higher, being fitter and stronger, willing to win, etc.
The differences between Barca's and Real's defensive players isn't significant by any means. Modric and Kroos may be slightly better as a pair but Busquets is defensively more useful than both Modric and Kroos and Rakitic scores more than them both. The difference between Iniesta and MSN, on the one hand, and James/Isco and RBB,on the other, is quite big though. Messi has always played with better players than Ronaldo. Only a blind man would debate it, it is perfectly obvious.
So 6 goals each for their national sides during 15/16. Messi just had some goals in small comps for Barca
That I'm totally fine with. Like I said many times, I've no problem with people thinking Messi is better, only those who think it's a fact and insult people who disagree with them.
I pretty much have seen the same sort of post every couple of pages on this thread. Are we just going in circles in this debate? I mean if you're a full time RonaldovsMessi debater like Cal then fine, keep on but really this debate is just a bore. I personally would like a Quaresma vs Robinho thread
The opponents in those small comps were Sevilla, River Plate & Bilbao. When we count games against Levante, Gijón and Malmö, we might as well count them too.
Except when we want to manipulate statistics until they fit.
But I give up. You will continue trying to twist every fact and context, until the desired result is achieved. I'm not gonna waste my time with something like that.
This is typical for Messi fanboys on here and it is very annoying too: highlighting the qualities with regard to which Messi is superior and neglecting all aspects of the game where Ronaldo comes on top. Football is not only about technique, it is also about working hard, running further, jumping higher, being fitter and stronger, willing to win, etc.
The differences between Barca's and Real's defensive players isn't significant by any means. Modric and Kroos may be slightly better as a pair but Busquets is defensively more useful than both Modric and Kroos and Rakitic scores more than them both. The difference between Iniesta and MSN, on the one hand, and James/Isco and RBB,on the other, is quite big though. Messi has always played with better players than Ronaldo. Only a blind man would debate it, it is perfectly obvious.
I am not a fanboy I appreciate both players. I just think pure footballing wise, he's better.
You were the one saying Messi play's on much better teams. I am saying there is much between them. Bale, Modric, Benzema, Pepe etc are all top players...likewise Iniesta, Neymar and Suarez.
You sure you not a Ronaldo fanboy and Messi hater because you don't seem to be neutral in your posts tbh.
@Cal? are you forgetting messi has the record for most goals in a calendar year ? If ever there was a record that backed up someone being a superior goalscorer ...
As a Ronaldo fan, it is perfectly understandable seeing how some people believe Messi is better but those that think Messi is some kind of God tier footballer way ahead of Ronaldo are fanboying (same would go to Ronaldo fans who think he is miles ahead of Messi)
Its interesting in the sense that its two of the greatest footballers of this generation. But it just seems like a debate that goes in circles, with cheap digs here and there by both sides. The same thing keeps being said over and over. How is that interesting?
Its interesting in the sense that its two of the greatest footballers of this generation. But it just seems like a debate that goes in circles, with cheap digs here and there by both sides. The same thing keeps being said over and over. How is that interesting?
Cheap digs are fun. I have done them myself. It is only interesting to see the posters that are ouright fanboys of one or the other. It's also interested to see some of the well explained posts that explains qualities of both and give reaons to who will be remembered as the better player vs who is the better player right now.
I am not a fanboy I appreciate both players. I just think pure footballing wise, he's better.
You were the one saying Messi play's on much better teams. I am saying there is much between them. Bale, Modric, Benzema, Pepe etc are all top players...likewise Iniesta, Neymar and Suarez.
You sure you not a Ronaldo fanboy and Messi hater because you don't seem to be neutral in your posts tbh.
I am not a fanboy I appreciate both players. I just think pure footballing wise, he's better.
You were the one saying Messi play's on much better teams. I am saying there is much between them. Bale, Modric, Benzema, Pepe etc are all top players...likewise Iniesta, Neymar and Suarez.
You sure you not a Ronaldo fanboy and Messi hater because you don't seem to be neutral in your posts tbh.
Only a fanboy would say that the one player is much better than the other. You come across as a Messi fanboy. Read your posts above if you have any doubts about it.
I'm one of those posters on here who say that Messi is the better player but not by as much as his fanboys want us to believe.
Cheap digs are fun. I have done them myself. It is only interesting to see the posters that are ouright fanboys of one or the other. It's also interested to see some of the well explained posts that explains qualities of both and give reaons to who will be remembered as the better player vs who is the better player right now.
