Utd were tipped by many to finish 4th this season.
Just because Ronaldo makes us genuine contenders now speaks to the excellence of the man.
literally turned down City for feck sake
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Just because Ronaldo makes us genuine contenders now speaks to the excellence of the man.
literally turned down City for feck sake
the funny thing is, in that other Ronaldo thread (dedicated to his Juve performances), soon after Juve started losing in early stages to the likes of Porto and Lyon, the most frequent posts from his fans after those losses were something like "he should go to PSG or Bayern, feck this" or "he needs to play with Neymar and Mbappe, not clowns like Morata and Bernardeschi". obviously, because it's Messi that was wanted in the end by their president, the narrative had to change again.
He started out with a hattrick against them when he was 19 though. For sure it counts against him that hasn't scored against them in long time, but it was him dominating the Classico's for a lot of years.
Fergie had to step in for that, Ronaldo had zero problem joining city and tarnishing his united legacy until Fergie had to get the glazers to change their mind about Ronaldo. Even city didn’t even want to pay a transfer fee for him initially.
the “challenge” angle is absolute bollocks, it had much more to go with Fergie stepping than Ronaldo saying “what gives me the best challenge” nonsense people love to spout
And then Ronaldo accepted the challenge. You’re just giving reasons why he did?
Doesnt Ronaldo hold the record for scoring in El Classico or something stupid?
He holds Real Madrid's but not the overall. Messi has 14 assists on top of his goals and 68 chances created while Ronaldo has 1 assist and 15 chances created.
Fair enough. Can’t argue with that.
He holds the record for scoring in most consecutive clasico games (7)
And also ironically the most Clasico goals at the Nou Camp - he loved a Nou camp goal (accompanied with the “calma” celebration).
But Messi’s record accounts for Classico’s he played before Ronaldo got there and after, correct?
Yeah. But actually I made a mistake. Ronaldo has the same number of goals as De Stefano. 18 goals. So he's tied with him.
https://www.messivsronaldo.app/club-stats/el-clasico/
It is a challenge if he had a buffet of choices to choose from, and decided not to go to the strongest option. However in this case, PSG RM Bayern Chelsea Liverpool were all not interested in him, City did not want him enough to agree terms with Juve. That leaves only United a viable option.
So dear CR7 50cents army, tell me how is this a challenge for your idol/son when he chose the best option available to him? If your idol/son wanted a challenge, he could have stayed in Juve.
Just in case this is too difficult for you to understand, he chose the strongest option out of all options that were interested and can agree terms with Juventus. Does this meant its a challenge for your boy?
So dear CR7 50cents army, tell me how is this a challenge for your idol/son when he chose the best option available to him? If your idol/son wanted a challenge, he could have stayed in Juve.
Just in case this is too difficult for you to understand, he chose the strongest option out of all options that were interested and can agree terms with Juventus. Does this meant its a challenge for your boy?
He chose the logical options of the ones available to him. At least he'll be playing in the prem again. Speaking as a Messi fan i'm unexited about what he does in the french league. Of course it's a bonus that Ronaldo will be scoring for us.
Of course he did. He chose the best choice he had available to him.
That’s true, although I believe Ronaldo has 20 goals against Barca across all teams he’s played for.
Objectively speaking and removing the prior connection to United, he would probably score more and have a higher chance of winning silverware at City.
He was literally off to City hence the last minute panic. You can’t rewrite that. As Pep himself said, it was up to Ronaldo if he were to play at City or not.
This literally happened a week ago, memories can’t be that hazy
Did he really turn down City though?
No personal terms or transfer fee were ever agreed.
According to literally everybody with any knowledge of the deal..yes?
Hence the last minute panic approach by Utd. Nobody made this up!
City did not even had both personal terms or terms with Juventus agreed upon. How was it up to Ronaldo when even the clubs had not agreed terms?
Memories can’t be that hazy indeed
Because Juves manager literally said he was never playing for them again after being left out of the squad in the middle of talks with City? Or when Rio brokered the deal and admitted he only stepped in when he was told Cristiano was City bound?
The only reason this is challenged is because it gives him an advantage over Messi and it’s fanboyism ridiculousness at its finest.
Everybody involved is lying, Pep is lying, Alegri is lying, the whole world is lying.
You’re literally arguing with Guardiola here
Nobody is disputing City were interested, but you seem to be struggling with the distinction of being interested and actually offering terms.
Fabrizio guy said no terms or fee was ever agreed, he seems more itk than most.
This is not a Sanchez scenario were United offered more money and prized him away from City who thought the deal was in place.
Although I do believe United are paying Ronaldo more than what City would have.
At the end of the day if Ronaldo went to United due to more money, only viable club or PSG I have no issue with his choice or reasoning, however this fanboyism attitude that he did it for a challenge is just pretty weird.
Many reputable sources were saying his move to City was practically done before United came and hijacked the deal at the 11th hour. Allegri also came out and said Ronaldo was leaving before United were even the picture.
Feel free to post these reputable sources?
Not sure how a deal can be practically done when City hadn't even contacted Juventus regarding a fee!
It would have been a proper dick move to go to City at the end of day.
Ronaldo to Utd was accepted as done and we hadn’t agreed a fee with Juve? Ronaldo was even having his medical in Lisbon at the time. Juve were not standing in the way of a move. Google is your friend
27th August United officially confirmed a deal was in place.
His medical was completed days after that.
Maybe you need to get google as your friend and stop posting lies.
Ronaldo flew to Lisbon for his medical on the Friday, he was there on the 27th? We only made our move in the 27th. Completed his medical over the weekend before being confirmed on the Monday.
And.. if you google.. the announcement had the words subject to agreeing personal terms which you have hilariously ignored. I thought the move couldn’t be close if they didn’t agree on personal terms?
You’re treating this like a court of law where everything has to be presented to you. If you are behind on the story then that’s on you and maybe you should read up on it before commentating any further? Juve only announced a total agreement on the 31st
I don’t think you understand what a “challenge” means.
I don’t agree performance is only thing that matters. And saying Muller >>>>> Ronaldo just because he has score more WC goals doesn’t make any sense at all. I do rate Muller highly, but Ronaldo does score more goals, broke more records, won more trophies, more Ballon D’ors, and has more in his pockets (during his prime and younger years), so I don’t see there’s anything valid behind your reasoning.Because you are probably Portuguese, you can’t look at this objectively. Every player who scores a lot of goals scores crucial winners that change the game. You don’t think Pele, Messi, Puskas, Muller, Romario etc ever scored crucial game winning goals?
But the point is you need a team. Who is creating the chances for those crucial goals? Who is defending to make sure that your crucial goal is not cancelled out by another goal? Ronaldo has never scored a goal in the KO rounds of the World Cup and has only scored 3 goals in the knockout rounds of the Euros. In ELEVEN games.
Between 2008 and 2014 he didn’t win the champions league, what happened to all his ‘winning goals’ then? Strangely, when he got the right team and managers around him, he started winning again. Funny how that works.
Performances are the only thing that matter. That’s what makes you the GOAT. If you want to reduce it to ‘clutch’ or ‘winning’ goals then Gerd Muller >>>>>> Cristiano Ronaldo. He could score goals in the World Cup for a start….
I don’t know why you need to highlight the fact Ronaldo hasn’t scored any goals in WC knockout stage too, as neither does your favourite Messi score any. It’s like, you are trying to ridicule Ronaldo but you end up ridicule Messi as well. At least it’s fair to say Portugal is generally not regarded as strong team in WC, while Ronaldo is currently the all time record holder in almost every competitions, except WC (he scored 7 while Messi only scored 6).
If you don’t appreciate someone who has won 5 CL and 5 Ballon D’or, and is top scorer of all time in almost every competitions out there, fine then. But doesn’t mean everyone is same as you and watch the game the same way as you do.
The only reason Ronaldo is with us is because City didn't want to pay up the transfer fee. Fabrizio Romano has revealed it all. City were stalling with Mendes and then Mendes went to United after 2 days. Had City paid up the transfer fee he would be there and Mendes wouldn't have even approached us. Ronaldo actively wanted to go to City
Non sensical, in exactly what way? I am just comparing how would they add more to their legacy in the coming years at Man Utd and PSG, where majority would have agreed on anyway. I am not even drawing conclusion on whoever being better player or have a being career. You are just judging/accusing based on your own assumptions.
The fee is immaterial. Just go look at it, it’s a penny a week for 10000 years! They wanted him off the wage bill and City have shown they can’t negotiate for shit this summerThe only reason Ronaldo is with us is because City didn't want to pay up the transfer fee. Fabrizio Romano has revealed it all. City were stalling with Mendes and then Mendes went to United after 2 days. Had City paid up the transfer fee he would be there and Mendes wouldn't have even approached us. Ronaldo actively wanted to go to City
Well the fact remains that had City paid up Ronaldo would be there. City were still haggling with Mendes with the fee to Juve and CRs wages. That is literally the only reason Mendes offered him to us. Don't understand why they didn't do it. I think they might be saving up for another striker next summer but I doubt Haaland or Mbappe will go to City. Both seem bound for Madrid.
Yeah, City are woeful at negotiating. How do you sign Grealish for 100m then not expect Kane to be close to 200 M? One of the most baffling things I've seen.
But Juve caved right away. They weren’t tough negotiators. We got them from 28m odd to 15m plus add ons over 5 years. It’s a shocking deal!
I’d also argue we paid too much but we got giddy hence the stupidly early announcement. Juve really were in an impossible situation
What other team was on the table? City wasn’t even that enthusiastic about it and it came down to whoever would take him and United had to intervene as they couldn’t stand the thought of him going to a rival. There was no “challenge” just whoever could take him that was a CL team. It just happened to be United and even that needed a big pep talk from Fergie
The only reason Ronaldo is with us is because City didn't want to pay up the transfer fee. Fabrizio Romano has revealed it all. City were stalling with Mendes and then Mendes went to United after 2 days. Had City paid up the transfer fee he would be there and Mendes wouldn't have even approached us. Ronaldo actively wanted to go to City
This, exactly
Read below carefully.. City resisted paying Juve any transfer fee unlike United))
-- https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...t-juventus-and-man-cityreturn-to-old-trafford
"On Thursday night, Mendes received a proposal from United. On Friday morning, conversations with Juventus began and United assured the Italian club they were prepared to pay a fee, something City had so far resisted. There were conversations about players possibly moving in the other direction but eventually a transfer fee of €15 million, with another €8m in add-ons, was agreed."
It was known since almost a year ago that Juve would let him go for around 25m or close to that. Reports are saying that the add ons are almost 100% guaranteed given it's Cronaldo. I Imagine it has something to do with his goal tally. This was reported by various journos over a year ago.
In fact Mendes had offered Ronaldo to us earlier but we refused
Ronaldo, like Messi, had almost 0 options because of his insane wages. Juve wanted him off the books over a year ago. Ronaldo was offered to multiple clubs round Europe and Madrid had to come out and publicly say they didn't want him back and he released statement to save face. All this coming home stuff and challenge stuff is a load of rubbish.- Status