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Based on the fair and true poll, it's decided that Messi is twice as good as Ronaldo

In reality he's probably about 3 times as good but the poll is the final verdict and Messi wins.

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Messi actually played quite well if you look at his performance. The match honestly makes a better case for Messi's side than Ronaldo's in showing how useless players like Suarez, Rakitic, and Busquets have become.
 
matbezlima said:
CR7 has also bottled many matches too. Let's not be immediatist. In 2018, he was terrible in the semi-finals and final. In the second leg against Juventus, Real was going through a similar situation as Barcelona today and it was only saved by a penalty that CR7 scored.
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terrible In the semi finals he scored 2 goals away from home one being the greatest goal ever scored in the competition and the other being the crucial penalty which won them the game which needed balls of steel?
 
Daysleeper said:
Did a lot of good getting Ronaldo past the QF this year
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He can get away with that considering he just won a fecking three peat and was inevitable to lose again eventually.
 
SportingCP96 said:
He can get away with that considering he just won a fecking three peat and was inevitable to lose again eventually.
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They will come back and tell you that it was the contribution of everyone not named Ronaldo behind Real's 3peat.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
They will come back and tell you that it was the contribution of everyone not named Ronaldo behind Real's 3peat.
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Conveniently ignoring that he got them o the final all 3 times. Sounds about right.
 
abdo99 said:
But he just let it happen vs Ajax?
Both the teams wasn't good enough to be carried to the final this year.
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Not even remotely the same:wenger::lol: Ronaldo never had a 3 goal lead vs Ajax he simply lost too a better team. (this season)
 
Daysleeper said:
Except Juventus were the heavy heavy favorites against Ajax.
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Yes they were but they lost to a better side as has been shown all season. losing is inevitable in football. Losing a 3 goal lead back to back losing 4 finals and then quitting on your national team? Thats some weak ass shet.
 
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mdvmia said:
https://youtu.$be/R6uuun5tdyg
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Messi actually played quite well if you look at his performance. The match honestly makes a better case for Messi's side than Ronaldo's in showing how useless players like Suarez, Rakitic, and Busquets have become.
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The free passes and excuses Messi gets throughout his whole career when he falls short of something is mind numbing.

Barca will win the league by 10 points this campaign. Last year, they were 1 loss away (during the season finale) from being the invincibles of Spain. Not 5 years ago, not 10 years ago - 365 days ago. And again they walked the league this season.

Messi plays with the top 1% best players/team in the world. Imagine being so freely forgiving of his failure that you call Suarez, Rakitic, Busquets useless...it just shows you have no merit because you’re blinded by homerism and don’t have a clue of the reality of things. Those players listed are still the top 1% in the world in their respective positions and would be taken by any team on any given day 9.999 times out of 10.

With all due respect, I honestly can’t believe some of the shit being said to cover up for him. You’d think he plays on United by the sounds of things for crying out loud :lol:


SportingCP96 said:
He can get away with that considering he just won a fecking three peat and was inevitable to lose again eventually.
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It’s appalling at the short term memory some people have hahah ffs

CL = Cristiano’s League
 
Schneckerl said:
Having better chemisty with the club is the case for all alltime-great players, yet most were able to replicate their numbers in the NT. There is a massive drop for both Messi and Ronaldo.
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Their numbers weren't nearly as good at club level which is why they were able to replicate them. Look at Ruud, Villa, Eto'o, Shevchenko, Raúl, Henry and other great forwards from a similar era. None of them are close to having a goal per game ratio with their NT. The average NT has become better and also the value of international matches have gone down because you're neither getting the same kind of money nor prestige at that level anymore. In 1990 there was nothing like the World Cup. Many people can take or leave the World Cup these days.
 
VanKenny said:
Only reason Barcelona ever had a chance against Liverpool was because of Messi. Almost single handedly gave a 3-0 lead to his team, and any elite team aspiring to be CL winners should have been able to hold on to that.

Hell, had Dembele not ruined the chance Messi set up for him on a plate on the last game, this could have been much different.

But again, Dembele missed, twice. Today Suarez, Coutinho and Alba messed up CLEAR chances that Messi set up for them again, 1 vs 1 against the keeper and nothing. On top of that, his team concedes 4 goals.

How is that Messi's fault? Barcelona wouldnt be near half the team they are if it werent for Messi. Poor tactics and the worst games ive seen from Alba and Busquets in all the years ive been watching them. But somehow its Messi's fault he didnt save his pathetic team after everything was against him, and a 10 man defense?

There's only so much one player can do, and Messi did it all. Great goals, great assists, passes across the 2 legs. But if his defense concedes 4 goals then really theres nothing much more he can do.
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At what point did I apportion blame to Messi? Is he his OWN 'fanboi'?:wenger:

In fact, if anything it is YOURS. Karma just back handed you:lol:

I repeat. I'm glad that result has made the likes of you shut up for a bit and return to blaming all everything else under the sun when Messi is in a side that let's him down just like happens to CR7 from time to time. Y'all went over the top with your praise for him after the first leg. In which his team and he himself were bloody fortunate to escape with a 3 goal win. Coming on here and using it with glee to rubbish CR7s entire career and ability. Plus trying to make it seem a team with Messi in his current form can't be stopped because he is 'the most unstoppable ever'.

Well you got your just deserts.

If anything its a pity Messi has the nasty privilege of inane fans like yourselves:lol:
 
Jericho said:
That court case thing is garbage. It doesn't include Ronaldos entire career when comparing their goals per games played, but it does include his entire career when comparing their total goals scored.
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I posted it ironically. It’s a copy and paste from a few pages ago. It’s laughable
 
So Messi has rubbish teammates now?
Must be so hard playing for your entire life with the likes of ronaldinho, xavi, iniesta, alves, henry, villa, neymar, suarez, busquets, rakitic, etc.

No wonder he cries so much :(
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
At what point did I apportion blame to Messi? Is he his OWN 'fanboi'?:wenger:

In fact, if anything it is YOURS. Karma just back handed you:lol:

I repeat. I'm glad that result has made the likes of you shut up for a bit and return to blaming all everything else under the sun when Messi is in a side that let's him down just like happens to CR7 from time to time. Y'all went over the top with your praise for him after the first leg. In which his team and he himself were bloody fortunate to escape with a 3 goal win. Coming on here and using it with glee to rubbish CR7s entire career and ability. Plus trying to make it seem a team with Messi in his current form can't be stopped because he is 'the most unstoppable ever'.

Well you got your just deserts.

If anything its a pity Messi has the nasty privilege of inane fans like yourselves:lol:
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There were almost none Messi supporters who blamed Ronaldo for Juve going out.. Some in here are so childish.
 
Zehner said:
There were almost none Messi supporters who blamed Ronaldo for Juve going out.. Some in here are so childish.
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Most people admitted he "did his job" by scoring. In that respect I fail to see how setting up three team mates with sitters and scoring two goals is not considered "did his job", in the same manner. Especially since Barcelona played a much stronger opponent.

All things considered, these two are irrelevant for the rest of the season. Who knows, it might even be the end of their era.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Most people admitted he "did his job" by scoring. In that respect I fail to see how setting up three team mates with sitters and scoring two goals is not considered "did his job", in the same manner. Especially since Barcelona played a much stronger opponent.

All things considered, these two are irrelevant for the rest of the season. Who knows, it might even be the end of their era.
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May very well be true, sad as it is. Yet this CL could see the coolest final in years and has had some unbelieble twists (United - PSG, Ajax - Madrid/Juve, Tottenham - City, Liverpool - Barca) so I'm more than happy with it
 
Zehner said:
May very well be true, sad as it is. Yet this CL could see the coolest final in years and has had some unbelieble twists (United - PSG, Ajax - Madrid/Juve, Tottenham - City, Liverpool - Barca) so I'm more than happy with it
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I think George R.R. Martin hasn't written that new book because he was busy penning this year's CL. It's been a fecking rollercoaster indeed.
 
Despite being portuguese, If I had to choose I would blindly choose Messi simply because it's like having a striker, a winger and a playmaker all in one player.

The comparison lacks some logic though: both Messi and Ronaldo could play at the same starting eleven, since they do completely different functions apart from goal scoring.
 
When Messi has a quiet game he has nobody to bail him out and is knocked out of the CL, there is nobody to make chances for him he has to keep dropping deep to pick up the ball and try to make something happen

When Ronaldo had a quiet game he had Modric, Ramos and Marcelo to step up and put him in the next round.
 
Vialli_92 said:
When Messi has a quiet game he has nobody to bail him out and is knocked out of the CL, there is nobody to make chances for him he has to keep dropping deep to pick up the ball and try to make something happen

When Ronaldo had a quiet game he had Modric, Ramos and Marcelo to step up and put him in the next round.
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You too??
 
Vialli_92 said:
When Messi has a quiet game he has nobody to bail him out and is knocked out of the CL, there is nobody to make chances for him he has to keep dropping deep to pick up the ball and try to make something happen

When Ronaldo had a quiet game he had Modric, Ramos and Marcelo to step up and put him in the next round.
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Not true. Messi has been bailed out countless times when he’s had quiet games with some I can easily recall.

He was bailed out by an Iniesta wonder strike in 08/09 against Chelsea in the semi-final.

He was bailed out in that memorable comeback against PSG by a Neymar masterclass 2 seasons ago.

He was bailed out by a Suarez masterclass in 14/15 at the Etihad when he himself missed a penalty and had an average game by his standards.

I can’t remember a time when Modric has ever bailed out Ronaldo in a CL tie. If anything it’s been the other way round like the games against Wolfsburg 2016; Bayern 2017 (away), etc
 
Messi is certainly easier on the eye and placing Ronaldo above him requires one to either be biased or really be aware how tactically dangerous a player like Ronaldo can be.

He was rowing against the tide against ajax by himself with a heavily disjointed Juve attack, very overrated midfield too i must say. But Ronaldo for me is a more dangerous player around and inside the box than Messi. The argentinian is a genius but Ronaldo can be deadly with both feet and in the air. His athletic prowess makes him capable to overtake physical defenders or just give him an edge to prepare a shot. Of course the more involved his team is on attacking the more he benefits.

A 50/50 voting is the fair result imo.
 
MrEleson said:
Not true. Messi has been bailed out countless times when he’s had quiet games with some I can easily recall.

He was bailed out by an Iniesta wonder strike in 08/09 against Chelsea in the semi-final.

He was bailed out in that memorable comeback against PSG by a Neymar masterclass 2 seasons ago.

He was bailed out by a Suarez masterclass in 14/15 at the Etihad when he himself missed a penalty and had an average game by his standards.

I can’t remember a time when Modric has ever bailed out Ronaldo in a CL tie. If anything it’s been the other way round like the games against Wolfsburg 2016; Bayern 2017 (away), etc
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That "average game by his standards" was the best performance I ever seen from Messi he dominated City that night what the hell are you talking about?

Messi has to create and score for this Barca team giving him an impossible job. On a night like last night when he's not quite at it Barca just crumble with nobody else to step up.

I've seen it too many times over the last 4 years he has one quiet game and Barca are eliminated in the knock outs
 
Cal? said:
True, as I posted in the CL SF thread earlier today:
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you probably think it was a win-win scenario for you, watching Liverpool losing and if they actually win it and go to the final, then you're left with "at least Messi won't win it". but you do realize there's good chance now that you might see both Liverpool winning the whole thing and Messi winning the ballon d'or regardless? it's actually the worst scenario for you.
 
Crazy result from Barca's POV. You'd have thought they would have learnt something from the Roma game last season.

Messi wasn't at his best last night, especially in the 2nd half where he was well short of it, but the fact remains he scored 2 and created 3 or 4 sitters over the 2 legs. He was massively let down by some crazy misses. Dembele and Vidal last week, then you have Suarez last night. Was it Alba who was 1v1 with the goalkeeper and chose to pass it 5 yards back to Messi? I mean you can't bottle a chance more than passing it to someone else when you're in on goal, unless it's a cutback to bypass the keeper.

One game shouldn't change opinions in either direction. There are some fanatical posters in here who can't wait to make 50 new posts the minute their guy does something good and the other one has a bad game. That goes for both sides of the fence. It's very hard to take those people seriously in any kind of debate or discussion.

I think Ronaldo has proven over the years that he has the greater mental fortitude and the greater obsession with winning. He's scored more goals when it matters, particularly over the last 5 years. Having said that, it doesn't count more than the technical superiority Messi has in my eyes, which is why I voted for him in the poll. We are lucky to have seen two greats of the game playing at the same time. We might have to wait a long time to see football at their level again.
 
Messi and his team fell short and this was monumental. A huge bottle job, one I'm sure wouldn't have happened if Ronaldo was playing.
I prefer Messi but I have no issue admitting that for certain situations (specifically, CL knockout stage away ties), I'd take Ronaldo all day everyday
 
kouroux said:
Messi and his team fell short and this was monumental. A huge bottle job, one I'm sure wouldn't have happened if Ronaldo was playing.
I prefer Messi but I have no issue admitting that for certain situations (specifically, CL knockout stage away ties), I'd take Ronaldo all day everyday
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That's a massive assumption to make. Hugely exaggerates the role of one player in a team sport.
 
Updated this, remember the number of assists depends on the source

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Assists in the CL:

Messi 31 in 135 apps (0.229 assists/app)
Ronaldo 44 in 162 apps (0.271 assists/app)

Goals scored in CL:

Messi 112 in 135 apps (0.829 goals/app)
Ronaldo 126 in 162 apps (0.777 goals/app)

Messi has 66 goals in the group stages (58.9%) and 46 (41.1%) in the knockout stages.
Ronaldo has 61 goals in the group stages (48.4%) and 65 (51.6%) in the knockout stages.

Round of 16: Messi 26 goals, Ronaldo 23 goals
Quarter-Finals: Messi 12 goals, Ronaldo 25 goals
Semi-Finals: Messi 6 goals, Ronaldo 13 goals
Finals: Messi 2 goals, Ronaldo 4 goals

Messi goals:

Arsenal 9
Celtic Glasgow 8
AC Milan 8
Bayer Leverkusen 7
Ajax 6
Manchester City 6
Lyon 5
Bayern Munchen 4
Manchester United 4
Panathinaikos 4
Paris Saint-Germain 4
PSV 4
Spartak Moskva 4
APOEL Nicosia 3
Chelsea 3
Kobenhavn 3
Plzen 3
Shakhtar Donetsk 3
Stuttgart 3
Basel 2
BATE Borisov 2
Dynamo Kyiv 2
Juventus 2
Liverpool 2
Real Madrid 2
Roma 2
Tottenham 2
Borussia Monchengladbach 1
Glasgow Rangers 1
Olympiakos 1
Sporting CP 1
Werder Bremen 1

England 26 (Arsenal 9, Manchester City 6, Manchester United 4, Chelsea 3, Liverpool 2, Tottenham 2)
Germany 16 (Bayer Leverkusen 7, Bayern Munchen 4, Stuttgart 3, Borussia Monchengladbach 1, Werder Bremen 1)
Italy 12 (AC Milan 8, Juventus 2, Roma 2)
Netherlands 10 (Ajax 6, PSV 4)
France 9 (Lyon 5, Paris Saint-Germain 4)
Scotland 9 (Celtic Glasgow 8, Glasgow Rangers 1)
Greece 5 (Panathinaikos 4, Olympiakos 1)
Ukraine 5 (Shakhtar Donetsk 3, Dynamo Kyiv 2)
Russia 4 (Spartak Moskva 4)
Cyprus 3 (APOEL Nicosia 3)
Czech Republic 3 (Plzen 3)
Denmark 3 (Kobenhavn 3)
Belarus 2 (BATE Borisov 2)
Spain 2 (Real Madrid 2)
Switzerland 2 (Basel 2)
Portugal 1 (Sporting CP 1)

Ronaldo goals:

Juventus 10
Ajax 9
Bayern Munchen 9
Atlético Madrid 7
Borussia Dortmund 7
Schalke 04 7
APOEL Nicosia 6
Galatasaray 6
Malmo 6
Roma 5
Shakhtar Donetsk 5
Lyon 4
Marseille 4
Tottenham 4
CSKA Moskva 3
Dynamo Kyiv 3
Kobenhavn 3
Manchester United 3
Paris Saint-Germain 3
Sporting CP 3
Wolfsburg 3
Arsenal 2
Basel 2
Ludogorets 2
AC Milan 2
Zurich 2
Auxerre 1
Chelsea 1
Inter 1
Liverpool 1
Manchester City 1
FC Porto 1

Germany 26 (Bayern Munchen 9, Borussia Dortmund 7, Schalke 04 7, Wolfsburg 3)
Italy 18 (Juventus 10, Roma 5, AC Milan 2, Inter 1)
England 12 (Tottenham 4, Manchester United 3, Arsenal 2, Chelsea 1, Liverpool 1, Manchester City 1)
France 12 (Lyon 4, Marseille 4, Paris Saint-Germain 3, Auxerre 1)
Netherlands 9 (Ajax 9)
Ukraine 8 (Shakhtar Donetsk 5, Dynamo Kyiv 3)
Spain 7 (Atlético Madrid 7)
Cyprus 6 (APOEL Nicosia 6)
Sweden 6 (Malmo 6)
Turkey 6 (Galatasaray 6)
Portugal 4 (Sporting CP 3, FC Porto 1)
Switzerland 4 (Basel 2, Zurich 2)
Denmark 3 (Kobenhavn 3)
Russia 3 (CSKA Moskva 3)
Bulgaria 2 (Ludogorets 2)
 
broccoli said:
Messi is certainly easier on the eye and placing Ronaldo above him requires one to either be biased or really be aware how tactically dangerous a player like Ronaldo can be.

He was rowing against the tide against ajax by himself with a heavily disjointed Juve attack, very overrated midfield too i must say. But Ronaldo for me is a more dangerous player around and inside the box than Messi. The argentinian is a genius but Ronaldo can be deadly with both feet and in the air. His athletic prowess makes him capable to overtake physical defenders or just give him an edge to prepare a shot. Of course the more involved his team is on attacking the more he benefits.

A 50/50 voting is the fair result imo.
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It's not even close to a fair result.

Although the fact that it is a 50/50 result on a message board infested with besotted fans of Ronaldo from a club he once played for speaks volumes.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's not even close to a fair result.

Although the fact that it is a 50/50 result on a message board infested with besotted fans of Ronaldo from a club he once played for speaks volumes.
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Ronaldo fans are in clear minority here through. The voting was skewed when it was open after camp nau game in which Messi was indeed decisivo against United's greatest rival.
 
Daysleeper said:
So what happened against Ajax?


Messi was directly was directly involved in all eight of Barcelona's shots tonight against Liverpool:

• 5 shots attempted
• 3 chances created


Messi wasn't great today, but far from the problem for Barca.
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Now apparently shooting without scoring is good? I thought shots to goals ratio is key? :confused:
 
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