Tonight further showed why it ended in 2016.
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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How is it obvious?
Barcelona now don't play near the same way they did under Pep nor have the same team.
Messi's still at Barcelona, but the dynamics of the team haven't been the same for 10+ years.
If you think that is remotely the same as playing in a different league different players different coach and teams and tactics and so on then you simply dont get it.
Also most of the goals Messi has vs English teams 85% were all in Spain and not in England. Something worth noting as well.
I didn't say it's exactly the same, but he's still gone through different coaches, tactics and players while at Barcelona....
Like I said its not remotely the same and the evidence of that and best example I can use is Messi in Barcelona vs Messi in Argentina. He is quality either way but there is a very very obvious difference. His stats would not be the same had he been in a different league I have no doubt about that.
Ronaldo also performs worse for Portugal than he does for his club sides.
So it's two-fold.
Umm not really he does pretty much the same. Constantly top scorer for us in the qualifiers single handedly has put us over the line and not over Ecuador and Irans of the world but the dutch in 2012 and Sweden as an example and has led Portugal to a Euro Final by getting us out the group stage on the final day and leadings us in the penalty shootout vs Poland scoring in the semis and his shot led to game winning goal vs Croatia. Kept us in the group stage by getting a hat-trick vs Spain. Helping and being one of the main reasons Portugal got to the final In Euro 04 at just 18 scoring in the semis and quarters. I can keep going and going tbf. Also the top goal scorer all time for Portugal and in the world as a whole for the national team besides some guy in India or somewhere like that. So ya that simply is not true.
How many EURO/WC goals (and games played) does he have? His ratio for RM was over 1 GPG right?
Can we talk about this guy for a moment?
I forgot his name nor am I sure he is even from India but he has like over 100 goals or something like that for his national team
How did he keep you in the group in the first game? he's also stat padded for Portugal against absolute dross at time, much worse than Ecuador or Iran.
Of his 85 international goals 42 have come against Armenia, Latvia, Andorra, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Luxemburg, Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, Iran, Finland, North Korea, Panama, Northern Ireland and New Zealand.
So 50% of his goals have come against pure shite which there is nothing at all wrong with. You can only beat whats in front of you.
The fact you use Ecuador and Iran when Ronnie has scored against both is kind of funny too. Both of them have scored about half their respective goals against dross at international level.
But yeah being top scorer by stat padding vs Luxemburg is much worse than Venezuela.
Context he played more games and had more chemistry with the guys in Madrid. But he was and is brilliant for Portugal as stated by all my examples.
I agree but I was talking about on major international games not the games vs Luxembourg.
Sweden is better then Iran. Netherlands is better then Bosnia.
Sensible decision, imo.
He's immensely better at the mental side.
Technically there's only one winner
Technically there's only one winner
It depends though, in the grand scheme of things Messi's one goal for the tournie vs Nigeria was in a much bigger and more important setting than Ronaldo's hattrick in a group both teams expected to win their 2 remaining games in. I would say the only thing that seperates them at international level is one has a trophy and the other doesn't.
But I don't think that can be used to seperate them as players because there are many more variables. They have been so close for many years its almost impossible to call so it becomes pretty much pick your favorite.
Only personal opinion but for me 2008-2013 Messi > Ronaldo. 2014-2018 Ronaldo > Messi and this season I'd say its swung back in Messi's favor by the strongest margin in awhile. Across every season the gap was pretty much tiny, this is the only season where I personally can say one has been clearly better than the other.
Having better chemisty with the club is the case for all alltime-great players, yet most were able to replicate their numbers in the NT. There is a massive drop for both Messi and Ronaldo.
You also have to look at who Ronaldo played with in Portugal for a majority of his international career yet to score 89 goals and I would bet he gets too 100 is quite remarkable.
See this I can agree with more the whole point about “ it’s close so it’s more so pick your favorite” I would never debate that with anyone because I have said many times they are so close. My issue is the people who claim the margin is so big and that it’s not a debate and try to diminish Ronaldo’s achievements.
To let the storm calm y'know
Caf cracks me up
Caf cracks me up
You are a legend
Ronaldo is not letting this happen. He's getting that goal despite defeat that sees them through to the final.
Ronaldo does it. Yes Messi is naturally and technically better, but Ronaldo is the ultimate. He's the goat.
Ronaldo does it. Yes Messi is naturally and technically better, but Ronaldo is the ultimate. He's the goat.
Poll opens after Messi has a good game, poll closes after messi has a crap game.
Nice
Nice
That court case thing is garbage. It doesn't include Ronaldos entire career when comparing their goals per games played, but it does include his entire career when comparing their total goals scored.
But he just let it happen vs Ajax?
Both the teams wasn't good enough to be carried to the final this year.
Of all the excuses I heard today, this has got to be the worst. Did you look at Liverpool's team sheet? Do you honestly believe they were the better side going into the game? I am sorry, but that's just a lie - Barca clearly bottled it.
Yes, what's up with that? Messi dicks Liverpool and the poll opens up, but when he shits his pants 6 days later it gets closed?
Messi was not great by his standards today. The team did not help tough. Football is a collective play. Cristiano Ronaldo played far worse than Messi today in the semi-finals and final of the UCL 2018 title win, but his team was good to still win and raise their game when CR7 did not play well, something this Barcelona seems unable to do. I am not trying to excuse Messi, I am just pointing some facts in this case. Anyway, in most of the cases, Messi still plays decently well, creates a few good chances and helps organize the team even when he does not decide a match or is not brilliant. He rarely truly disappears, unless in World Cup 2018 against Croatia, a sad and terrible performance, and his performances against Atletico in 2016 in the away game and against Roma in 2018 in the away games. Those performances were pitiful.
Lionel Messi was directly involved in all eight of Barcelona's shots tonight against Liverpool:
• 5 shots attempted
• 3 chances created
It would be nice if his teammates could help out too...
This Barcelona team is acomodated with Messi. The club is acomodated with Messi. They rely on Messi for almost everything. They do not play good football. Guardiola would make this team far better. For both Messi and Barcelona's sake, he should get out of Barcelona. Messi would do well everywhere and Barcelona would be forced to stop being so unashamedly dependent on Messi and make again some good long-term project.
In the end, even the greatest players also lose and are not able decide some big matches, sometimes they can play terribly too. We compare the best players mainly focusing on the best. The only reason why I bring up CR7's bad games here is because many peoples' arguments here force me to do such, specially Cal.
Lionel Messi was directly involved in all eight of Barcelona's shots tonight against Liverpool:
• 5 shots attempted
• 3 chances created
It would be nice if his teammates could help out too...
This Barcelona team is acomodated with Messi. The club is acomodated with Messi. They rely on Messi for almost everything. They do not play good football. Guardiola would make this team far better. For both Messi and Barcelona's sake, he should get out of Barcelona. Messi would do well everywhere and Barcelona would be forced to stop being so unashamedly dependent on Messi and make again some good long-term project.
In the end, even the greatest players also lose and are not able decide some big matches, sometimes they can play terribly too. We compare the best players mainly focusing on the best. The only reason why I bring up CR7's bad games here is because many peoples' arguments here force me to do such, specially Cal.
Ali Daei?I forgot his name nor am I sure he is even from India but he has like over 100 goals or something like that for his national team
CR7 has also bottled many matches too. Let's not be immediatist. In 2018, he was terrible in the semi-finals and final. In the second leg against Juventus, Real was going through a similar situation as Barcelona today and it was only saved by a penalty that CR7 scored.
Yup its a joke to say one is vastly superior to the other imho. Very different but both equally amazing in their own way.
The mods try to manipulate the poll and troll everyone...
Some of the mods on here are about as fair and balanced as Fox News.
Barca-Pool this year
Barca-Roma last year
Argentina-Chile 2016
Argentina-Germany 2014
etc
Messi’s inability to have that killer instinct to just end a game or tie has been echoed throughout the years - not being a big game player.
Let’s not forget about his goal scoring ratio during qualifiers versus the knockout stages where it matters most.
And then add on top his piss poor demeanour and body language.
...it’s not the end of the world but it’s an obvious blemish of his. I still think he’s the most well rounded/all around skilled player in history & I generally think that’s a rather obvious consensus. However, due to the things listed above I’d much rather take CR7 knowing he’ll show up when it matters most and he’ll find a way through sheer will to be a difference maker or die trying.
^in a nutshell.
Barca-Roma last year
Argentina-Chile 2016
Argentina-Germany 2014
etc
Messi’s inability to have that killer instinct to just end a game or tie has been echoed throughout the years - not being a big game player.
Let’s not forget about his goal scoring ratio during qualifiers versus the knockout stages where it matters most.
And then add on top his piss poor demeanour and body language.
...it’s not the end of the world but it’s an obvious blemish of his. I still think he’s the most well rounded/all around skilled player in history & I generally think that’s a rather obvious consensus. However, due to the things listed above I’d much rather take CR7 knowing he’ll show up when it matters most and he’ll find a way through sheer will to be a difference maker or die trying.
^in a nutshell.
So, nobody is in the mood of discussing about the number of successful dribbles completed by Messi last night? That metric is surely more important than scoring headers and penalties.
Stop this nonsense pal. Only game that counts was the one that took place in the Nou camp.
I will never forgive Messi for that. From now on Ronaldo is the GOAT and Messi in his shadow.
Ronaldo wouldn't have let this happen.
Ronaldo wouldn't have let this happen.
So what happened against Ajax?
Messi was directly was directly involved in all eight of Barcelona's shots tonight against Liverpool:
• 5 shots attempted
• 3 chances created
Messi wasn't great today, but far from the problem for Barca.
Did a lot of good getting Ronaldo past the QF this year
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