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And why can't you? Because Messi misses them a lot?
We are(or at least I was) talking about them needing service from their teammates to score goals aren't we ? Out of a total of 64 assists, 38 were given to Messi right ?
Europe has got its fair share of crap teams which Portugal have to beat.
Thats correct
Messi is the player with most goals (10), most assists (5), most chance's created (35), most dribbles (81) and most throughballs (11) in CL 14-15. People will still find some logic to say he's not best.
No not the total of assists given to Messi, the total amount assist given to Messi of his total amount of goals.
Because the ones he didn't win himself are as good as assisted.
So Barcelona is marginally less Messi oriented than Madrid is for Ronaldo ?
And who says they aren't? Same for freekicks?
Early front runner for worst poster of the year. Some absolutely appalling stuff.
Basically the same thing @JPRouve said then. 24/39= 61% whereas 38/64=59%
If you look at the assist statistics only yes, but here you completely rule out that the other Madrid forward just simply missed a shitload of chances resulting in only Ronaldo scoring his chances.
Assisted goals/total goals, is just more accurate.
Is this even a debate anymore? I mean I will always love Ronaldo whose obviously incredible but you don't need stats to see Messi is the best player of our generation, you just have to watch him play.
Your opinion, Ronaldinho is mine.
Fair enough. He was magic and arguably the most skillful player ever but I think messi has surpassed him and all others, regardless of stats. Watching him play is breathtaking.
Exactly, in the last WC qualifiers Portugal had Azerbaijan, Northern Ireland and Luxembourg in their group. If anything that's worse than Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru.
Complete bollocks. South American qualifiers are a lot harder than the European ones. Go back and look at the dross Portugal have played in recent years.
I don't mind people trying to make a case for Ronaldo, but a a lot of it is just desperate and factually incorrect now
Just stop talking
Busquets 'assist'.
This chart is pointless. To actually make an argument about reliance on service would take much more than a chart. You'd have to watch every goal and factor in so many variables that it would take more time than it's worth.
Ronaldo has scored more headers so Ronaldo wins.
Terry must have felt embarrassed to having claimed Hazard is up there with Messi.
Edit (not really): on second thought, no he's probably too thick to understand how delusional that claim is.
Are you Miss Bum Bum in disguise?
Does anybody else think it’s an ultimate victory of talent over hard work? In future we will be talking about them like: Ronaldo was a beast, he made it with hard work, one of the best players of all time. But Messi was the most naturally talented, out of this world.
Then, of course, my son will decide himself if he prefers Messi brilliant all-round performances or Ronaldo tap-ins.
Up until last year I thought it was very close between them. But since Ronaldo changed his game I don’t have any doubts. There are more exciting players in this Madrid team (Isco for example).
Then, of course, my son will decide himself if he prefers Messi brilliant all-round performances or Ronaldo tap-ins.
Up until last year I thought it was very close between them. But since Ronaldo changed his game I don’t have any doubts. There are more exciting players in this Madrid team (Isco for example).
I always used to imagine, the night before an El Classico, Ronaldo going extra hard with the sit ups, spending a few hours on his free-kicks, dribbling cones in his back garden...And then Messi just chilling on the sofa, maybe doing some kick ups with a small ball in the living room... before pulling out this in the game:
Completely agree.
The heir apparent to Cal?'s throne it seems.
Heard some screaming and popped in to see what's up. Turns out it's just football statistics being murdered. As you were, gents.
No contest, and realistically, hasn't been one since perhaps Ronaldo was at United. I said a few months back, but the greatest trick Ronaldo ever pulled was dragging Messi into a stats fight. However, the difference is night and day. Messi has put in several performances like he did at The Etihad a few weeks back where he was head and shoulders above everyone on the pitch without scoring, and even missing a penalty for good measure.
Nobody would ever debate whether Gerd Muller or Shearer was better than Messi. Messi outscores the world-class strikers like Suarez and Aguero, and is a better midfielder than even the very best like Iniesta too. He can also pass the ball and create chances better than any midfielder I've ever seen.
I am very much a fan of Ronaldo Phenomenon (Brasil), and have always maintained that I think he was the best player of all time, however - it is getting ridiculously hard to argue that any footballer who has ever played the game was/is 'better' than Messi. I mean, 'better'? Like what does that even look like? How can you be 'better' than what Messi is producing? For me, anyone who thinks Cristiano is better is likely a fan boy, Fergie or anyone else. Apparently Messi couldn't score a hat-trick for QPR, or was it Doncaster according to Fergie, which is nonsense.
Nobody would ever debate whether Gerd Muller or Shearer was better than Messi. Messi outscores the world-class strikers like Suarez and Aguero, and is a better midfielder than even the very best like Iniesta too. He can also pass the ball and create chances better than any midfielder I've ever seen.
I am very much a fan of Ronaldo Phenomenon (Brasil), and have always maintained that I think he was the best player of all time, however - it is getting ridiculously hard to argue that any footballer who has ever played the game was/is 'better' than Messi. I mean, 'better'? Like what does that even look like? How can you be 'better' than what Messi is producing? For me, anyone who thinks Cristiano is better is likely a fan boy, Fergie or anyone else. Apparently Messi couldn't score a hat-trick for QPR, or was it Doncaster according to Fergie, which is nonsense.
Not really, as a United fan you should realise that having lots of touches of the ball mean sweet feck all if chances are converted, West Broadway being a prime example.
Barca played a possession style compared to Madrid and most players in that team have more passes as a result, is Pique better than Ramos just because he made more passes?
I've not denied Messi is the more talented player, but that doesn't make him the better player.
You've summed it up quite well.
You lot watch football just to watch Messi, even if he did little, there were 21 other players on the pitch.
I'm assuming you both haven't read my earlier posts where I've stated that I too think Messi is better. I was merely stating my reasons why and why I think direct comparisons are silly. Being seen to be better at football is nothing more than appreciating a set of skills over another, and In football we tend to appreciate certain skills/attributes (like dribbling) more than others (like heading, tackling). It is why defenders rarely win Ballon Dor and why so few are in GOAT lists.
So in short what you're saying is because Messi is 'better' we can't compare the two, and thus he's not better?
I'm having a third argument here. More against the point of Messi being on 'another level', despite the 2 players sharing identical stats on the pitch. If Messi was better in every facet of playing football, then Ronaldo will not be even close to him. The same way almost all other players fall short against those 2. Yes, you can compare the 2 but we're merely comparing them on the things we appreciate more in football. It is a subjective debate.
Messi is hardly like the United players who do nothing with the ball though. He dribbles past the most players, creates the most chances, gets the most assists, and scores the most goals. You accept he's more talented, so unless you think he isn't using his talent or does a lot of useless stuff on the pitch/is really wasteful with the ball then surely he's the better player, right? Considering he's more productive then Ronaldo, which is what you're using basically as the barometer to judge a player by, that alone makes him better, but then factoring in all the other things he does to impact games then there can only be one winger?
I feel like deep down you know Messi is the better player and messi at his best is a level Ronaldo has never reached, you just don't want to say it because you've kept the Ronaldo view for so long.
Every real United fan knows that Messi has scored with his head.
Blows my mind that people can get so attached to an individual footballer at a club they don't even support, to the point it makes them irrational about how good he is relative to his peers. Very strange.
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Not sure what you're on about. Although I don't even you know what you're on about.
I watch football. You see scorelines.
Huh? The bit about not belonging to the club they support is the key bit. Everybody is prone to being irrational about the team they support. Being a football fan at all is slightly irrational. But applying that same irrational intensity of feelings people have about their club to an individual player at a club they don't support? Bizarre.
I used to wonder why the ronaldo rage among united fans after his departure annoyed you. I totally get it now.
Some seem more attached to non United players than United itself.
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