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Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Nope, Argentina’s midfield is dire and they have no cohesiveness.
Look at Ronaldo without an elite midfield and you get early CL exits
Ask, good to see you admit how fluky Portugal having a euro is, one of the most undeserved international trophies of the last twenty years
Having 5 world class attackers doesn’t matter much when you can only field 2-3 of them at any moment. You have obviously watched a lot of the Argentina national team for you to have made such a sweeping statement, correct?
Name me 1 Argentina player worse than what Ronaldo played with at Portugal. I cant believe you guys are so deep in that You think the world class players Messi has had are worse than the shite Ronaldo played with.
I literally watched these guys I mentioned play all my life they are fecking horrible.
I have seen both and Ronaldo would give his left leg to have the players Messi has had.
I think it was the world going full circle and making up for Euro 04 which we should have won and were easily the best team in the tournament.
Better players (on paper), does not make a better team.
Portugal were a bad team. Did you see World Cup 2014?
Argentina were not that bad as you guys say if they got to a World Cup final and Multiple Copa America finals.
Yep such a bad team.
Portugal - a few semi finals and an actual euro tournament winner. Yep, such a bad team. See how this works?
By the way, Juventus got knocked out at this stage last season; with messi in this Juventus team, he'd be an upgraded Dybala, and without a Ronaldo in that team, they'll even perform worst. Take the Atleti match for example, they were tightly marked from throughballs; put messi in that team instead of Ronaldo, then it'll be like Juventus vs Barca in 2017, after that, Messi asslickers will come out to say that he played against the best defensive team...that's how delusional messi fans are.
The set in stone fact is despite messi being the GOAT along with Ronaldo, he is a Barca player in every ramification, but Ronaldo like Fergie said, can go to Stockport and score a hatrick for them, Messi can score 100 goals against EPL or any other league teams, it doesn't count because he's doing it in his Barca system; it's one thing to score against Chelsea as a Barca player and another thing to score against them as a Juventus player
Once Deco Figo Costa retired and left us with shet. 1 semi final and 1 win which if not for Ronaldo would have ended in the group stages.
3 finals and a WC Final and you want to say Messi lacked quality? You guys have got to be taking the piss.
This will be my last comment on this honestly worthless thread:
Ronaldo and Messi are the greatest players I've ever seen and are the 2 greatest of all time for me, but I prefer Ronaldo to messi...that's just it, though they are both otherworldly
Ronaldo and Messi are the greatest players I've ever seen and are the 2 greatest of all time for me, but I prefer Ronaldo to messi...that's just it, though they are both otherworldly
I'm loath to respond to the execrable idiocy of this thread.
But if Messi is a 'system player', how come he was:
- Player of the Tournament at the 2014 World Cup.
- Player of the Tournament at the 2015 Copa America.
- Was clearly the best player at the Copa America Centenario, getting 5 goals and 4 assists, despite not starting all of the games, although Player of the Tournament was given to Sanchez because Chile won the competition.
Ronaldo has had the advantage of playing in a team that won a major competition, and still he came nowhere near being player of the tournament, and indeed has never come close to being the best player at an international tournament.
So how come if Messi is a 'system player' he has been the best player at a tournament three times, and certainly has been Argentina's best player by some distance, whereas Ronaldo who is supposedly more flexible has never come anywhere near this, or in fact ever performed better than moderately in a major international tournament?
Let me answer that question for you...it's because you're talking f*cking b*llocks.
But if Messi is a 'system player', how come he was:
- Player of the Tournament at the 2014 World Cup.
- Player of the Tournament at the 2015 Copa America.
- Was clearly the best player at the Copa America Centenario, getting 5 goals and 4 assists, despite not starting all of the games, although Player of the Tournament was given to Sanchez because Chile won the competition.
Ronaldo has had the advantage of playing in a team that won a major competition, and still he came nowhere near being player of the tournament, and indeed has never come close to being the best player at an international tournament.
So how come if Messi is a 'system player' he has been the best player at a tournament three times, and certainly has been Argentina's best player by some distance, whereas Ronaldo who is supposedly more flexible has never come anywhere near this, or in fact ever performed better than moderately in a major international tournament?
Let me answer that question for you...it's because you're talking f*cking b*llocks.
Who said Messi lacked quality? Conversely it’s the Ronaldo fans who seemingly use hyperbole to illustrate just how magnificent that Argentina squad is.
Not everyone has an agenda on this Messi v Ronaldo debate. There’s some of us who actually tries to remain objective.
I literally just read a page back people comparing Argentina and Portugal basically suggesting Portugal were better.
I have also seen people complain about Agueros and di marias when the other guy has eders and postigas.
Nah, those guys are a bit OTT tbf. Like I said, I don’t really like engaging in this thread/debate because there’s so much moving of the goalposts or subjectivity being brought in to suit agendas. In the end, I just want to try and enjoy them both for what they offer
. I definitely prefer Messi tbf. But to me, that’s personal preference as they both have bring their own strengths to the table.I have said it before and ill say it again. Regardless of who anyone prefers I am beyond privileged to say I saw them both play in the same era. Geniuses.
Nah, those guys are a bit OTT tbf. Like I said, I don’t really like engaging in this thread/debate because there’s so much moving of the goalposts or subjectivity being brought in. In the end, I just want to try and enjoy them both for what they offer
Also happy easter to you and everyone on here! feck the debate for today
Ah yes, Juventus, a team that went to CL finals before Ronaldo joined and won the league 8(!) years in a row
Ronaldo needs service, no surprise without the best midfield in the world he’s had an early CL exit. He played well but he’s never going to take his team over the hump on club level without an elite midfield at this stage of his career.
Aye, we have much bigger issues we need to sort out at United for me to really care about these twoI have said it before and ill say it again. Regardless of who anyone prefers I am beyond privileged to say I saw them both play in the same era. Geniuses.
Also happy easter to you and everyone on here! feck the debate for today
Happy Easter bro. To you and the family. I’m going camping in the Bruno Fernandes thread now
Same to you and your fam!Aye, we have much bigger issues we need to sort out at United for me to really care about these two
Happy Easter bro. To you and the family. I’m going camping in the Bruno Fernandes thread now
Also keep away from Bruno because I want him at Sporting for 1 more year
That’s fine. As I’ve said all along. It’s the Messi is better or you know nothing brigade that I have an issue with.
Nah, those guys are a bit OTT tbf. Like I said, I don’t really like engaging in this thread/debate because there’s so much moving of the goalposts or subjectivity being brought in to suit agendas. In the end, I just want to try and enjoy them both for what they offer
Hahaha no promises. I hope Woody reads the Caf & he’s in that Bruno threadSame to you and your fam!
Also keep away from Bruno because I want him at Sporting for 1 more year
Agreed with that Cal.
I’ve said this before, but I think the best Portugal team that I’ve seen in my lifetime was their Euro 2000 outfit, pre-Ronaldo.
Their golden generation including Figo and Rui Costa were in their prime years, Nuno Gomes was in excellent form and they looked so cohesive and well balanced. Their second goal against England with 20 odd passes, the cross from Rui Costa and the diving header from Joao Pinto was dream football. Their later teams with Ronaldo and / or under Scolari were not at that level in my opinion.
Then again I might argue that the strongest Argentina squad / team I’ve seen on paper was probably their 2002 World Cup outfit under Bielsa, pre Messi. Obviously they flopped, but was due to their arrogance (they admitted that they assumed they would comfortably make it out of their group), and Claudio Lopez missing chance after chance against Sweden. Their later teams with Messi weren’t as well balanced or stacked across all positions (on paper) in my opinion.
Mascherano was clearly Argentina’s best player when they reached the 2014 World Cup final, and Pepe was clearly Portugal’s best player at Euro 2016, but I do think that overall Ronaldo has been better in a weaker international team than Messi has.
Their golden generation including Figo and Rui Costa were in their prime years, Nuno Gomes was in excellent form and they looked so cohesive and well balanced. Their second goal against England with 20 odd passes, the cross from Rui Costa and the diving header from Joao Pinto was dream football. Their later teams with Ronaldo and / or under Scolari were not at that level in my opinion.
Then again I might argue that the strongest Argentina squad / team I’ve seen on paper was probably their 2002 World Cup outfit under Bielsa, pre Messi. Obviously they flopped, but was due to their arrogance (they admitted that they assumed they would comfortably make it out of their group), and Claudio Lopez missing chance after chance against Sweden. Their later teams with Messi weren’t as well balanced or stacked across all positions (on paper) in my opinion.
Mascherano was clearly Argentina’s best player when they reached the 2014 World Cup final, and Pepe was clearly Portugal’s best player at Euro 2016, but I do think that overall Ronaldo has been better in a weaker international team than Messi has.
Different leagues.
Fortunately, the majority are not as blinded as you lot.
Thats a very poor retort. You think Maradona fans would tell Bebe fans that Diego is better than Bebe because had more Balon Dor votes? Diego didnt receive any votes in his career. The first thing they would say is, did you watch them both play? And leave the argument there.
2006 argentina was fantastic scoring an amazing multipass goal that cambiasso finished off i believe, went out to the germans on penalties.
Without wanting to stay out of topic best ones I watched: Euro 2000, 96, 2004 for that order. Historically best probably 1966.
There is a point to be made that Ronaldo didn’t played on the best teams I agree with you.
Anyway Messi deserves to win this year no discussion on that .
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If the award is handed out in April. There is still a lot of time to go this year.
Jónas Gutíerrez.
I’m sure you’re well aware of a lot of the trash that have been masquerading as international footballers for Argentina over the past decade. A good number of them have been bang average players in the Portuguese league.
And trophies to be won, I agree with you. We can say who won't win the Ballon d'Or but no certainty regarding who will win it
I agree that's very poor. Because I am using your exact argument, actually copy-pasting. Thank you for agreeing with me.
You think you can speak for "Ronaldo fan" ("Ronaldo fan: silent again"), now you again think you can speak for "Diego fan" ("The first thing they would say is...") but I can't do the same? Why?
Messi is certainly the early favorites for it at the moment, but there’s still a long way to go.
I agree that it’s highly unlikely for Ronaldo to win it this year.
Poor, once again. My post was based on reality, your argument was not.
Go through the pages, you will see the following.
Cristiano fans have claimed hes better because hes proved it in more leagues (one even said he dominated Serie A, which is laughable).
Cristiano fans have said hes better because hes won an international trophy and Leo has not.
Cristiano fans have said hes better because hes been more clutch in the CL.
Cristiano fans when asked how hes better as a footballer have specifically gone to heading and off the ball movement. Infact, some on here have even equated these qualities to being as important as passing and dribbling.
So again, these arguments happened.
The point is, they were making these sweeping arguments only applied fhem to Cristiano. When asked if these same arguments applied to other footballers, they were quiet.
Really not hard to understand.
13 games in UCL? more like 7.
Seriously this quote again? When Zidane says something that suits your argument, he's the god of truth.
When he says something you disagree with, he's biased and knows nothing about football (or doesn't have eyes or something)
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...reatest-player-ever-says-zidane-idUKKBN1E21WE
Seriously this quote again? When Zidane says something that suits your argument, he's the god of truth.
When he says something you disagree with, he's biased and knows nothing about football (or doesn't have eyes or something)
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...reatest-player-ever-says-zidane-idUKKBN1E21WE
Sorry Cal, Zidane said this La Liga quote the other day, not posting the same quote before
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